From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Mon Dec 16 20:17:44 2002 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Monday, December 16 2002 Volume 01 : Number 1814 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: fsj: more panhard bars stuff fsj: misc Jeepin'/wheelin' info/news fsj: BC Jeep parts fsj: the joy of XJs while working on SJs and fearing the WJs cost fsj: administrivia: notes on using this list fsj: window stickers FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 12:33:22 -0800 From: "Machinedoc" Subject: Re: fsj: more panhard bars stuff Yes Landon, the bushings wearing quicker is a function of doing their job. On the plus side, the panhard bar doing it's job allows the spring bushings to last longer. Curtis Subject: fsj: misc Jeepin'/wheelin' info/news 1986 Grand Wagoneer window sticker: http://www.wagoneers.com/FSJ/rigs/86-GW-300miles/window-sticker.jpg (BTW, what was the link to the other GW window sticker?) no more roads in Forest land in Washington state: http://netscape.digitalcity.com/seattle/news/article.adp?article=1184800&_dci_e_t=incoming&_dci_a_l=my%2enetscape%2ecom%2findex2%2epsp%3fcp%3dmyfresh city competitiveness study: (seattle's #1! go figure) http://www.beaconhill.org/BHIStudies/Compete2002Data/PressReleaseCOMPETE02Final2.htm http://www.beaconhill.org/ john - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 14:04:42 -0800 From: john Subject: fsj: BC Jeep parts Gary's Autoparts 23480 River Road Maple Ridge, BC 1.877.333.5337 is a good source too. I've gone up there to buy a few parts. Rick is the guy to ask for, very helpful. Interesting to talk with, eh? ;) rofl... Only problem is I've asked to have some stuff shipped and it never happened, rick gets busy and forgets... will need to run up and pick up the pieces. :) Not sure if they'd be a good "mail order" source or not, might be... They don't have much in the way of FSJs, mostly mix of newer Jeeps. Small lot but with the dollar the way it is it's worth the trip. :) I may run up over the Christmas holidays for some XJ and WJ parts. Of course the biggest hassle of going across the border is the wait and make sure all the firearms and weapons are out of the Jeep. When they saw my '67 Wagoneer they even asked if I had a hunting knife! Come on, it didn't look THAT redneck did it? ;) john At 09:45 PM 12/14/2002 +0000, FSJ-List-at-yahoogroups.com wrote: >A: Also check out Captain Crunch in Abbotsford (if they are still around) >and Empire autowrecking on Sumas way (just north and east on Captain Crunch) >and the other guys truck wrecking (drawing a blank right now) between them. > > From: Ryan Fulcher > >hey from BC eh? i am in kelowna building up my j-10. any hints on local >stores not in the US? We have Pick your part here, i will look for your part >this weekend - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 15:06:51 -0800 From: john Subject: fsj: the joy of XJs while working on SJs and fearing the WJs cost So, Veijo, for grins, what are XJs and WJs going for in the land of Oz? I've been looking at '97 and up XJ's, seems the price is about $10k to $15k. Not sure I want a car payment though. But I do like the newer style and features. WJ's seem to start out around $19k and go up from there, which is great if I decide to sell ours. :) (that ain't likely to happen, my wife has made that clear... it's her Jeep and that's that. ;) My '87 is rather basic, but the automatic and ac works, has a CD player and is getting around 16 to 17mpg in town with 31s and 3" of lift... not the quickest XJ I've ever had, but with 240,000 miles on the clock and no problems how can I complain? :) I don't mind the comfort of the WJ for road trips but don't enjoy it around town as much as my XJ or SJ. The lack of visibility, heavy low speed steering (replaced the PS pump even) and feeling of "bulk" makes it seem heavy and awkward, although it corners and handles extremely well and is amazingly quick/fast. (0to60mph in about 7.3 seconds) It's got a lot of nice features. I love the radio controls on the back of the steering wheel, wife loves the heated seats, I like the delay feature for the rear wiper and so on and so on. Lots of nice interior features like cupholders, plenty of room and so on. Road noise, possibly from the Michelin LTX's, bugs me a bit though. Not terrible, but noticeable. Of course if any SJ had the economy (and reliability and less annoying quality issues) of the XJ it'd be the pick of the litter. :) I know we've talked about getting 20mpg in an FSJ, I think it's possible if one upgrades to either an XJ or WJ driveline, or maybe a ZJ if it's the 4.0L. The Dodge/Chrysler v8's in the ZJ might be better then the AMC 360s, but not by much, at least in town. My '99 WJ gets 19 to 21 mpg on the interstate, almost 17mpg towing my utility trailer at 75mph... around town it's not so great, 13 to 15 maybe. My Xj's have always gotten around 15 to 17mpg in town, even with lifts and bigger tires. On the highway my economy doesn't seem to jump up much, 18 being the best I've seen. Except of course my '85 XJ with the 2.1L Turbo Diesel... 32 mpg on the interstate, 26 mpg in town... but it had other issues. ;) I think that if an SJ were upgraded with the WJ's 4.7 or 4.0L engine, trans/xfr case it could see close to 20mpg on the freeway. The SJ weighs in a bit more, ranging from 4,300 to 5,200lbs while the WJ seems to be right around 3,800 or so. My XJs seem to be in the 3,400 to 3,800 range. The extra weight of the FSJ seems to come from the full frame and more use of metal over plastic. :) My J10 weighs in around 4,100lbs, so the 4.0L conversion should work out pretty well. I hope. :) I'm still trying to decide if I want to spend more money "tightening" up my '87 XJ with 240,000 miles or get a newer one with all the options and fewer miles. I don't know if I'll want to keep the XJ after I get the J10 done or not. The XJ is nice for carrying folks around, especially since the WJ is the wife's. I doubt my wife will want to drive Superdawg. :) john meister snohomish, washington '87 cherokee pioneer (XJ) 240,000 miles and going strong '83 j10 stepside (SJ) (superdawg) undergoing frame off resto and 4.0L swap '99 grand cherokee limited (WJ) 4.7Lv8/quadradrive "wonder jeep" '67 jeep panel j-100 (SJ) son's collection: '77 SJ Cherokee (parting)/'79 SJ Golden Eagle cherokee At 08:07 PM 12/14/2002 +0000, fsj-digest wrote: >From: "Veijo Phillips" >Subject: fsj: RE: Re: [FSJ-List] Digest Number 1887 >I'll agree with this one. >When it's time to restore the GW I'll definatly be buying a xj for my daily >driver. > >I look at all the other four wheel drives available on the market here and >they're all just bulky, heavy gas guzzlers. The XJ is the only car that I >have come across that is 4WD, has room to carry what you need but is still a >smallish, easy to drive and very reliable, In fact I think the XJ has been >rated as one of the top buys in the used 4WD market. > >I'd love a WJ but i can't justify the $$$$ for a daily driver. The xj's are >starting to become quite cheap here in OZ and there were a huge amount >imported, so plently of spares. >The WJ is still quite new to us and the price of one is still triple the >price of an xj. > >I really do have a thing for my SJ's and will never ber able to get rid of >them but like you say when it comes to reliability and economy they just >don't cut it. > >Veijo >- -----Original Message----- >Sent: Thursday, 12 December 2002 7:01 PM > >OKay, baby Cherokees are good all-around station wagons. > >I beg to differ. I think the XJ is the best all around Jeep >ever built. It off-roads better then most of the other Jeep - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 07:15:00 +0000 From: Richard Welty Subject: fsj: administrivia: notes on using this list Digest.Net mailing list "Meta FAQ" These general notes on using Digest.Net mailing lists are posted on the 1st and 15th of each month. This file may be found on the web at http://www.digest.net/general-notes.txt [last revised 5/1/02; removed list of spam strings, as i'm not the only one filtering on them -- rpw] Additional information on Digest.Net's spam policies may be found at http://www.digest.net/email-policy.html and http://www.digest.net/blocked.html Table of Contents 1. Why don't my postings go through? 2. 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What is Krusty Motorsports, anyway? Krusty Motorsports (http:/www.krusty-motorsports.com/) is a business which is owned and operated by Richard Welty (rwelty-at-krusty-motorsports.com). Krusty is an S-Corporation in the State of New York. Krusty provides a number of Internet related services, such as mailing list, web sites, pop3/telnet accounts, and consulting on internet related issues. For more information, see the web site. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 17:19:02 -0800 From: john Subject: fsj: window stickers would love the window stickers from a J10, is this the stepside? email jpg images any size (large is better) to john-at-wagoneers.com, or are you giving away the real one? ;) I'd like collect a few other window stickers for wagoneers.com, at least folks will be able to view them without jumping through yahoo hoops. ;) If I get a few more I'll make a separate section for them. I may try to reduce them in size a bit, but will save the big images. I've also got a build order from a couple of rigs, I think the '84(?) Grand Wagoneer Jim Blair and I parted and an XJ too. :) cool stuff. john At 10:06 AM 12/15/2002 +0000, FSJ-List-at-yahoogroups.com wrote: >Message: 14 > Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 01:02:30 -0600 > From: "Carl R. Hart" >Subject: Re: Window Sticker > >I have the window sticker from our 1981 J-10 Honcho, if anyone is >interested. >Carl R. Hart >Lubbock, Texas - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #1814 **************************