From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Fri Jan 3 10:37:24 2003 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Friday, January 3 2003 Volume 01 : Number 1826 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: fsj: rain? was it raining? Re: fsj: M715 value Re: fsj: winter starting fsj: Air Deflector for 1991 Grand Wagoneer fsj: RE: Mini meeting fsj: 1990 choke - vac source? fsj: balancing the budget, Seattle style... FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 01 Jan 2003 18:58:56 -0800 From: john Subject: fsj: rain? was it raining? parting the '77 Cherokee... pulled the engine, rear axle, windows... etc.... whit came up from portland, elliott came down from lake stevens... we were all pretty wet by the time we were done. :) used my '87 xj as a "tripod" for the "group photo"... note my "poorman's poncho"... used a garbage bag and slipped it over my coveralls and two jackets, still got soaked... I need to buy some rain gear... sheesh, only lived in the Pacific NW since '77... you'd think I'd have some already... ;) http://www.wagoneers.com/FSJ/tech/3-drowned-rats.jpg whit's '84 J20 has the '77 360 in the back... dual 360's... ;) note the front clip of the '77 in elliott's ranger... ;) he's hauled off more FSJ stuff in Ford pickups then any one I know of. http://www.wagoneers.com/FSJ/tech/3-drowned-rats-w-J20.jpg john - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: 1 Jan 2003 23:44:23 -0800 From: "Jim B" Subject: Re: fsj: M715 value Date: Wed, 01 Jan 2003 23:44:23 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed A: I found one on the way to Ouray for $3000 (If I had the extra dough, it would have gone there with me!) From: john Greg, M715's can range all over the place. Typical prices seem to be in the $2,500 to $6,000 range, depending of course on the condition. Saw one at Ouray that sold for $3,500, 360v8/th400/qt, nice... saw a nice fully restored one here in Seattle a while back, 230/manual, etc. for $6,000. Then there was that one on ebay, it was in the 2 or 3 k range,right? john _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: 1 Jan 2003 23:41:26 -0800 From: "Jim B" Subject: Re: fsj: winter starting Date: Wed, 01 Jan 2003 23:41:26 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed A: Sounds like either the vacuum break on your choke is popped (not pulling the choke plate slightly open as the motor revs up) or the choke needs to be adjusted leaner. (loosen the screws and set it slightly more towards the fully open direction) Vacuum leaks can cause this as well. From: "Paul D. Borowski" I am having problems understanding what is going on with my 1988 Grand Wagoner. When I first start it, it starts easily but all cylinders do not seem to be firing, rough running lots of vibration and large volume of smoke(incomplete combustions I believe). It has no power until it warms up after about five minutes. When it has warmed up everything seems fine. Any advice on dealing with this will be greatly appreciated. Thanks paul _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2003 01:02:29 -0700 From: Stephanie Steele Subject: fsj: Air Deflector for 1991 Grand Wagoneer Would anyone happen to have a complete air deflector assembly for a 1991 Grand Wagoneer? Someone needed mine more than I did I guess :-( Stephanie 1978 Cherokee 1991 Grand Wagoneer (- rear air deflector) - -- Stephanie ******************************* Friends are quiet angels who lift us to our feet when our wings have trouble remembering how to fly. ******************************* "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), Letter to Josiah Quincy, Sept. 11, 1773. "Those who desire to give up freedom in order to gain security will not have, nor do they deserve, either one." President Thomas Jefferson. 1743-1826 ******************************* Send and receive money safely over the Internet by using PayPal. I use it and highly recommend it as a safe and reliable means to conduct business. 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If the reader of this e-mail message is not the intended recipient you are notified any disclosure, dissemination, distribution, copying or the taking of any action based upon the information contained in this message is strictly prohibited. de recta non tolerandum sunt ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2003 09:25:21 -0800 From: john Subject: fsj: RE: Mini meeting I've never heard of an in-tank pump causing a fire... remember that in the tank the vapor concentrations are too high for ignition, usually... ;) The idea of an in-tank pump is for cooling purposes, although I do like the idea of having it external... john At 10:43 PM 1/1/2003 -0800, Jim B wrote: >Date: Wed, 01 Jan 2003 22:43:51 -0800 >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed > >A: I used to feel the same way (till I lost a '66 Caddy that sprung a leak >in the externally added electric pump and burned to the ground) In the tank, >the fuel vapors are too dense to ignite. So far, I have seen about 20 pumps >with high heat marks on them, but no reported explosions. Don't forget your >gas sending unit is an open live circuit on a slider! (Now if that's not >enough to give you the heeby jeebies!) > > From: "JC Jones" > >Ok, call me paranoid ... I do not at all like the idea of an electric motor >with 12vdc going to it sitting in fuel vapor. Imagine if you will a short >inside the motor, maybe a positive contact wire coming loose and touching >some ground somewhere, etc. I for one will not be putting an in-tank pump >in any of my FSJ's, having my gas tank spontaneously explode is not exactly >what I had in mind for meeting my end - it would be nice to be cremated >*after* the funeral, not before. >JC Jones http://www.jtruck.net http://www.wagoneer.net > > >_________________________________________________________________ >MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE* >http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 10:09:43 -0800 From: "Faith Jeff" Subject: fsj: 1990 choke - vac source? hi folks, can anyone tell me where the vacuum source is for the choke diaphragm on a 1990 gw? i think the carb is a motorcraft/autolite 2150. thanks, jeff This electronic message transmission, including any attachments, contains information from Prescription Solutions which may be confidential or privileged. The information is intended to be for the use of the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information is prohibited. If you have received this electronic transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately by a "reply to sender only" message and destroy all electronic and hard copies of the communication, including attachments. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2003 22:29:10 -0800 From: john Subject: fsj: balancing the budget, Seattle style... the citizens of Washington state have voted a number of measures in attempts to reduce taxes... we passed a $30 license tab (then why do mine still cost $65? ;) initiative that required a second initiative to get rid of the added on fees... With something like 48% (or more) of the people in Washington state working for the state I guess they have to raise money some how... BUT a ticket for leaving your headlights on?????????? enjoy, john - ------------ Man parks, leaves his headlights on, gets a $28 ticket By Janet Burkitt Seattle Times staff reporter John Seth was not happy when he returned to his car after making an early afternoon delivery in downtown Seattle last month and found that he'd left his lights on. He was even less pleased when a city parking-enforcement officer handed him a $28 parking ticket. Not for being in a space illegally or for having an expired meter - it was for those headlights. " 'You left your lights on,' " Seth recalled the parking officer saying. 'We can cite for it, so we do.' " Seattle's law on lights Every vehicle shall be equipped with one (1) or more lamps, which, when lighted, shall display a white or amber light visible from a distance of one thousand feet (1,000') to the front of the vehicle, and a red light visible from a distance of one thousand feet (1,000') to the rear of the vehicle. The location of the lamp or lamps shall be such that at least one (1) lamp or combination of lamps meeting the requirements of this section is installed as near as practicable to the side of the vehicle which is closest to passing traffic. (RCW 46.37.150(1) Seattle Municipal Code, 11.82.300 "It's just insane." Seth said yesterday. "And the worst part of it was she smiled when she gave it to me and said, 'Merry Christmas.' " Seth, a driver for the film company Film Stop, had no idea he could get a parking ticket merely for forgetting to turn off his lights - and he's not alone. The handful of police, city and court officials who could be reached yesterday said they'd never heard of anyone being penalized for such a thing. "Even I am not aware of a law" that makes leaving lights on a citable offense, said Leo Poort, legal counsel to the Seattle Police Department. "It'd be news to me." On Seth's parking ticket, he's cited for "Lights, parked vehicle." The part of the city code cited doesn't explicitly say anything about leaving a parked car's lights on, but rather details how a vehicle's lights need to be properly working (which Seth says his were). A city ordinance does make it illegal to leave a car parked with the high beams on, and state law referred to in the city code declares that headlights of parked cars "shall be depressed or dimmed." Nevertheless, police spokeswoman Deanna Nollette said she hadn't known that leaving car lights on was a parking infraction in Seattle until she talked to a parking-enforcement supervisor yesterday. She said she never issued citations under such circumstances when she was working as a patrol officer, but did try to turn the lights off as a courtesy if the car was unlocked. She said it's not general practice within the department to give tickets simply for forgetting about headlights, but it is within an officer's discretion to do so. The supervisor said the officer who issued Seth's citation was relatively new on the job and had talked to one of her superiors after issuing the ticket because she'd had second thoughts about it, according to Nollette. The officer was told she could cancel the ticket and was going to do just that, but Seth's car was already gone, Nollette said. The parking-enforcement unit had been made aware of Seth's complaints and was prepared to rescind his ticket but hadn't heard from him again, Nollette said. Seth couldn't be reached yesterday to comment on Nollette's explanation, but said earlier that his employer would likely pay the ticket because he got it on the job. But he said that doesn't matter. "I feel cheated," he said. "I've got better things to do than to mess around with things like this." He figured contesting it in court would be time-consuming, and he was doubtful a magistrate would strike the fine completely anyway. If there's any silver lining for Seth, it might be that if he had gotten the ticket today, it would be $38 instead of $28 because of the city's efforts to balance the 2003 budget. Still, "For the life of me, I can't figure out what the public-safety issue is," Seth said. "I mean, is a small child going to walk too near to your lights and be vaporized?" Janet Burkitt: 206-515-5689; jburkitt-at-seattletimes.com . - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #1826 **************************