From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Fri Jan 24 09:59:30 2003 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Thursday, January 23 2003 Volume 01 : Number 1842 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: fsj: fsj-digest V1 #1841 Re: fsj: fsj-digest V1 #1841 Re: fsj: fsj-digest V1 #1841 Re: fsj: NP-229 vacuum diagram Re: fsj: '85 GW electrical problem - seem like a power surge Re: fsj: '85 GW electrical problem - seem like a power surge Re: fsj: '85 GW electrical problem - seem like a power surge Re: fsj: fsj-digest V1 #1841 Re: fsj: fsj-digest V1 #1841 RE: fsj: '85 GW electrical problem - seem like a power surge fsj: engine trouble FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 23:50:10 EST From: Moontanman-at-aol.com Subject: fsj: fsj-digest V1 #1841 Has anyone ever had to replace the fuel lines on a 79 jeep Cherokee? Are there any problems I should look out for? Moon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 20:55:10 -0800 From: Kevin Pekarek Subject: Re: fsj: fsj-digest V1 #1841 On Tue, Jan 21, 2003 at 11:50:10PM -0500, Moontanman-at-aol.com wrote: > Has anyone ever had to replace the fuel lines on a 79 jeep Cherokee? Are > there any problems I should look out for? If we're talking the rubber lines, yes. Piece of cake, use eye protection while you're doing it so pieces of dried mud, rust, and fuel don't mix in your eyes. The stockers have spring clamps that can be annoying to put back on - get a handful of the screwons just incase you don't feel like fighting a rusted spring clamp. If you're talkin the hard lines that run from the tank to the engine, you shouldn't have to replace those, but you might need to clean them out with piano wire or compressed air (detached at both ends, of course). Okay, so I've done it on a 74 and a 77, should be roughly the same :) K - -- Kevin Pekarek Redwood City, CA (near San Francisco) and Los Osos, CA (near San Luis Obispo) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 21:21:07 -0800 From: Kevin Pekarek Subject: Re: fsj: fsj-digest V1 #1841 On Wed, Jan 22, 2003 at 12:05:44AM -0500, Moontanman-at-aol.com wrote: > The metal lines on my jeep are very corroded, years of surf fishing I guess. > I'm going to try to replace just the rubber lines first but to get to the > lines at the top of the gas tank I am going to have to drop the tank. Have > you ever done that? The fuel pump can't pull gas from the tank but it runs > good on a separate line dropped into a gas can. I haven't personally dropped a tank, but this sounds an awful like the in-tank filter is clogged on you. I'll let someone else who as actually dropped a tank on their jeep give you pointers there. Anyone? K - -- Kevin Pekarek Redwood City, CA (near San Francisco) and Los Osos, CA (near San Luis Obispo) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 17:44:59 -0800 From: john Subject: Re: fsj: NP-229 vacuum diagram I've got 'em on line on my server... problem is I'm sitting in a Tully's sucking down a Breve and waiting for an airplane to come in... so I'm NOT on line... but it's in: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/tech under engines or vacuum, problem will be finding it... :) also have some tech info in http://wagoneers.com/JEEPS/tech under transfer cases... john At 03:01 PM 1/21/2003 -0800, Alexander Wall wrote: > I need to check the vacuum tubes for my transfer case - it stopped > going into 4-wheel drive a >couple of weeks ago. I don't know where all of them are routed, though. > Does anyone have a diagram I can consult? > >Thanks! > >Alex >'84 Wagoneer "Lucky" >Spokane, WA > >===== >Alexander Wall >Spokane, WA >================================================================================= >"Before you attempt to beat the odds, be sure you can survive the odds >beating you!" - E.L. Kersten, Ph.D. >================================================================================= >Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. >http://mailplus.yahoo.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 17:46:22 -0800 From: john Subject: Re: fsj: '85 GW electrical problem - seem like a power surge sounds like the alternator, regulator is built in to it... overvoltage situation... replace the alternator... john At 01:56 PM 1/21/2003 -0600, Keith, Michael S wrote: >I'm visiting here from the Alfa Digest trying to help my Brother-in-law with >an electrical problem on his '85 GW. When driving with the lights on, all >of the interior lights will become very bright for about a minute, & then >the headlights will go out. The actual headlights fail. There are no blown >fuses, & I don't believe any of the other lights burn out. When he replaces >the headlights, they work normally for a period of time, & then the failure >repeats itself. A cursory inspection of the headlight circuit did not show >any problems. I'm thinking either there is a problem with the circuit that >I missed (most likely) or possibly a bad voltage regulator. I'm having >doubts that it could be the voltage regulator as I would think a bad >regulator would cause other problems. > >Here are my questions: > >Could it possibly be the voltage regulator, & if so, how can I identify >whether or not his truck has an external voltage regulator? If it does have >an external regulator, where would it be located & how can I test it? I >have a digital multi-meter. > >If it's a problem with the headlight circuit, is there a particular part of >this circuit that is highly suspect? > >Joseph, if you're reading this post, you may want to elaborate on what I >said. > >Thanks in advance for any help, > >Michael Keith >Houston, TX - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 08:58:56 -0600 From: "Keith, Michael S" Subject: Re: fsj: '85 GW electrical problem - seem like a power surge Thanks for the reply. Sorry about the confusion. I was talking about the dash lights, & they do glow brightly prior to headlight failure. If the regulator is most likely the problem, that leads me to some other questions. Why does it only occur when the lights are on, & why does it only cause the headlight bulbs to burn out? Why does the problem not seem to occur until after new headlights are installed? Being that the symptoms seem intermittent in nature, would a bench test of the alternator show the problem at any given time? In other words, are we going to have to run the car until the symptoms reappear & then pull the alternator on the spot in order to get a valid test? Thanks again, Michael Keith Houston, TX Or are you simply talking about the dash lights? If they grow bright prior to headlight failure then yes, I'd definitely suspect the regulator. Michael ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 07:55:58 -0800 From: john Subject: Re: fsj: '85 GW electrical problem - seem like a power surge there should be no reason why only the headlights would burn out due to over voltage other components are also being affected... get that alternator down to a parts store and have them test it under load before you destroy other stuff like the ignition and radio. john At 08:58 AM 1/22/2003 -0600, Keith, Michael S wrote: >Thanks for the reply. Sorry about the confusion. I was talking about the >dash lights, & they do glow brightly prior to headlight failure. If the >regulator is most likely the problem, that leads me to some other questions. > >Why does it only occur when the lights are on, & why does it only cause the >headlight bulbs to burn out? > >Why does the problem not seem to occur until after new headlights are >installed? > >Being that the symptoms seem intermittent in nature, would a bench test of >the alternator show the problem at any given time? In other words, are we >going to have to run the car until the symptoms reappear & then pull the >alternator on the spot in order to get a valid test? > >Thanks again, > >Michael Keith >Houston, TX > > Or are you simply talking about the dash lights? If they grow bright >prior to headlight failure then yes, I'd definitely suspect the >regulator. > >Michael - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 11:03:37 -0800 From: john Subject: Re: fsj: fsj-digest V1 #1841 you'll probably need to drop the tank, didn't see this in the last message... john At 11:50 PM 1/21/2003 -0500, Moontanman-at-aol.com wrote: >Has anyone ever had to replace the fuel lines on a 79 jeep Cherokee? Are >there any problems I should look out for? > >Moon - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 11:03:14 -0800 From: john Subject: Re: fsj: fsj-digest V1 #1841 what year? the newer models, circa '84??? and up have an access panel behind or is it under, the rear seat... no need to drop the tank. you'll need to disconnect all the filler lines, sending unit, vent lines... mounts by brackets to frame... not terribly hard, but not terribly fun either. :) john At 09:21 PM 1/21/2003 -0800, Kevin Pekarek wrote: >On Wed, Jan 22, 2003 at 12:05:44AM -0500, Moontanman-at-aol.com wrote: > > The metal lines on my jeep are very corroded, years of surf fishing I > guess. > > I'm going to try to replace just the rubber lines first but to get to the > > lines at the top of the gas tank I am going to have to drop the tank. Have > > you ever done that? The fuel pump can't pull gas from the tank but it runs > > good on a separate line dropped into a gas can. > >I haven't personally dropped a tank, but this sounds an awful like the in-tank >filter is clogged on you. > >I'll let someone else who as actually dropped a tank on their jeep give you >pointers there. > >Anyone? > >K > >-- >Kevin Pekarek >Redwood City, CA (near San Francisco) and >Los Osos, CA (near San Luis Obispo) - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 12:53:28 -0800 From: john Subject: RE: fsj: '85 GW electrical problem - seem like a power surge At 10:36 AM 1/22/2003 -0600, Keith, Michael S wrote: >Thanks; I'll do that. If it tests OK, should I suspect that the regulator >problem is intermittent, or should I look elsewhere? what else could it be? the alternator has an internal regulator... could be a thermal problem... >By the way, nice website. thanx john >Michael S. Keith >Amvescap Data Management >713-214-1549 > > >-----Original Message----- >From: john [mailto:john-at-wagoneers.com] >Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 9:56 AM >To: Keith, Michael S; fsj-digest-at-digest.net >Subject: Re: fsj: '85 GW electrical problem - seem like a power surge > > >there should be no reason why only the headlights would burn out >due to over voltage other components are also being affected... > >get that alternator down to a parts store and have them test it >under load before you destroy other stuff like the ignition and radio. > >john > >At 08:58 AM 1/22/2003 -0600, Keith, Michael S wrote: > >Thanks for the reply. Sorry about the confusion. I was talking about the > >dash lights, & they do glow brightly prior to headlight failure. If the > >regulator is most likely the problem, that leads me to some other >questions. > > > >Why does it only occur when the lights are on, & why does it only cause the > >headlight bulbs to burn out? > > > >Why does the problem not seem to occur until after new headlights are > >installed? > > > >Being that the symptoms seem intermittent in nature, would a bench test of > >the alternator show the problem at any given time? In other words, are we > >going to have to run the car until the symptoms reappear & then pull the > >alternator on the spot in order to get a valid test? > > > >Thanks again, > > > >Michael Keith > >Houston, TX > > > > Or are you simply talking about the dash lights? If they grow bright > >prior to headlight failure then yes, I'd definitely suspect the > >regulator. > > > >Michael > >------------------------------------------------------------------ > http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ > Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... > jesus, don't leave life without him, please! >------------------------------------------------------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 10:58:00 CST From: Dan Black Subject: fsj: engine trouble To make a semi-long story short, in my '88 (AMC360), the oil pressure started gradually dropping a couple weeks ago (thank goodness for a real gauge and not a dummy light), and it looks like I'll be needing a new engine. (This one has _just_ under 100Kmi on it, like over 98 or 99K.) So, does anybody have any leads on a used 401 that I could send in to be rebuilt? Cuz if I'm gonna swap engines, I want to do it right. What else do I need for the swap? Just the flexplate? Any other ideas? (And less than a V8 is NOT an option. ;) ) Maybe a lead on a new 4.7 from a wrecked WJ or something? Would I be able to put that in with a tranny adapter and custom mounts? - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Not a problem, Lou! Piece a' cake! -- Brad - -------------- Dan Black ------------------------- dan-at-black.org -------------- ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #1842 **************************