From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Thu Feb 6 23:44:47 2003 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Wednesday, February 5 2003 Volume 01 : Number 1853 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: fsj: PS Belt vs vac hose UPDATE - RE: fsj: '85 GW electrical problem - seem like a power s urge Re: fsj: Q upper half of main rear oil seal Re: UPDATE - RE: fsj: '85 GW electrical problem - seem like a power s urge Re: fsj: Q upper half of main rear oil seal Re: fsj: Q upper half of main rear oil seal fsj: Re: J10 questions RE: UPDATE - RE: fsj: '85 GW electrical problem - seem like a pow er s urge RE: fsj: Q upper half of main rear oil seal RE: fsj: Q upper half of main rear oil seal FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 12:24:58 -0700 From: Tesar Landon-r16884 Subject: fsj: PS Belt vs vac hose Hi Jay, I am so lucky because the guy who rebuilt the motor last time put the distributer off by about one plug wire counter clockwise, this seems to pull the vac cannister in towards the PS pump enough, though the vac line does a big u-turn. - - Landon. '89 GW - ----------------- Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 15:04:50 -0500 From: James Isennock Subject: fsj: TFI Upgrade Vac Canister Location Anyone else got clearance issues with the distributor Vac. can after installing the big Ford TFI distributor cap on an AMC 360? My 87 G-Wag runs O.K. after the conversion (not as well as I hoped, I did the TFI coil and the light advance springs too) I get the best performance with the distributor positioned so that the vac hose is like 1/64" from the Power steering belt - this seems far from ideal as every now and then I have to replace the hose as the belt wears through. Thanks, Jay Isennock ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 13:47:52 -0600 From: "Keith, Michael S" Subject: UPDATE - RE: fsj: '85 GW electrical problem - seem like a power s urge Thanks again for everyone's help. Autozone's tester couldn't pick up a problem, but an auto electric shop found it. They had to disassemble the alternator, & test the regulator by itself. A new regulator & $15 later, problem seems to be solved. Michael Keith Houston, TX - -----Original Message----- From: john [mailto:john-at-wagoneers.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 2:53 PM To: Keith, Michael S Cc: fsj-at-digest.net Subject: RE: fsj: '85 GW electrical problem - seem like a power surge At 10:36 AM 1/22/2003 -0600, Keith, Michael S wrote: >Thanks; I'll do that. If it tests OK, should I suspect that the regulator >problem is intermittent, or should I look elsewhere? what else could it be? the alternator has an internal regulator... could be a thermal problem... >By the way, nice website. thanx john >Michael S. Keith >Amvescap Data Management >713-214-1549 > > >-----Original Message----- >From: john [mailto:john-at-wagoneers.com] >Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 9:56 AM >To: Keith, Michael S; fsj-digest-at-digest.net >Subject: Re: fsj: '85 GW electrical problem - seem like a power surge > > >there should be no reason why only the headlights would burn out >due to over voltage other components are also being affected... > >get that alternator down to a parts store and have them test it >under load before you destroy other stuff like the ignition and radio. > >john > >At 08:58 AM 1/22/2003 -0600, Keith, Michael S wrote: > >Thanks for the reply. Sorry about the confusion. I was talking about the > >dash lights, & they do glow brightly prior to headlight failure. If the > >regulator is most likely the problem, that leads me to some other >questions. > > > >Why does it only occur when the lights are on, & why does it only cause the > >headlight bulbs to burn out? > > > >Why does the problem not seem to occur until after new headlights are > >installed? > > > >Being that the symptoms seem intermittent in nature, would a bench test of > >the alternator show the problem at any given time? In other words, are we > >going to have to run the car until the symptoms reappear & then pull the > >alternator on the spot in order to get a valid test? > > > >Thanks again, > > > >Michael Keith > >Houston, TX > > > > Or are you simply talking about the dash lights? If they grow bright > >prior to headlight failure then yes, I'd definitely suspect the > >regulator. > > > >Michael > >------------------------------------------------------------------ > http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ > Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... > jesus, don't leave life without him, please! >------------------------------------------------------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2003 12:31:56 -0800 From: john Subject: Re: fsj: Q upper half of main rear oil seal go to napa and buy the slim jim seal tool or whatever they recommend. careful not to scratch the journals... keep things clean... john At 09:41 AM 2/5/2003 -0800, Faith Jeff wrote: >hi all, > >i'm in the process of replacing the main rear oil seal in my 90 gw with the >motor still in. so i have the pan off, and the rear main bearing cap is >off. i'm trying to get at the upper half of the seal to remove it. > >my books say to press one end with a pokey-thing until the other end can be >grabbed with pliers. > >do you gotta hit it hard to get it to slide out? the books also say to be >careful to not damage the crank. > >you any tips? > >thanks, >jeff >so-cal >90 gw >63 wag > > > > > >This electronic message transmission, including any attachments, contains >information from Prescription Solutions which may be confidential or >privileged. 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I assume you did the R&R for only $15. ;) john At 01:47 PM 2/5/2003 -0600, Keith, Michael S wrote: >Thanks again for everyone's help. Autozone's tester couldn't pick up a >problem, but an auto electric shop found it. They had to disassemble the >alternator, & test the regulator by itself. A new regulator & $15 later, >problem seems to be solved. > >Michael Keith >Houston, TX > >-----Original Message----- >From: john [mailto:john-at-wagoneers.com] >Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 2:53 PM >To: Keith, Michael S >Cc: fsj-at-digest.net >Subject: RE: fsj: '85 GW electrical problem - seem like a power surge > > >At 10:36 AM 1/22/2003 -0600, Keith, Michael S wrote: > >Thanks; I'll do that. If it tests OK, should I suspect that the regulator > >problem is intermittent, or should I look elsewhere? > >what else could it be? >the alternator has an internal regulator... could >be a thermal problem... > > > >By the way, nice website. > >thanx > >john > > > >Michael S. Keith > >Amvescap Data Management > >713-214-1549 > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: john [mailto:john-at-wagoneers.com] > >Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 9:56 AM > >To: Keith, Michael S; fsj-digest-at-digest.net > >Subject: Re: fsj: '85 GW electrical problem - seem like a power surge > > > > > >there should be no reason why only the headlights would burn out > >due to over voltage other components are also being affected... > > > >get that alternator down to a parts store and have them test it > >under load before you destroy other stuff like the ignition and radio. > > > >john > > > >At 08:58 AM 1/22/2003 -0600, Keith, Michael S wrote: > > >Thanks for the reply. Sorry about the confusion. I was talking about >the > > >dash lights, & they do glow brightly prior to headlight failure. If the > > >regulator is most likely the problem, that leads me to some other > >questions. > > > > > >Why does it only occur when the lights are on, & why does it only cause >the > > >headlight bulbs to burn out? > > > > > >Why does the problem not seem to occur until after new headlights are > > >installed? > > > > > >Being that the symptoms seem intermittent in nature, would a bench test >of > > >the alternator show the problem at any given time? In other words, are >we > > >going to have to run the car until the symptoms reappear & then pull the > > >alternator on the spot in order to get a valid test? > > > > > >Thanks again, > > > > > >Michael Keith > > >Houston, TX > > > > > > Or are you simply talking about the dash lights? If they grow bright > > >prior to headlight failure then yes, I'd definitely suspect the > > >regulator. > > > > > >Michael > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------ > > http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ > > Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... > > jesus, don't leave life without him, please! > >------------------------------------------------------------------- > >------------------------------------------------------------------ > http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ > Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... > jesus, don't leave life without him, please! >------------------------------------------------------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 12:38:15 -0800 (PST) From: Greg Loxtercamp Subject: Re: fsj: Q upper half of main rear oil seal Hey, can you do this stuff with the flexplate / flywheel / torque converter / tranny connected? Just curious... Greg - --- john wrote: > go to napa and buy the slim jim seal tool or whatever they > recommend. careful not to scratch the journals... keep things > clean... > > john > > At 09:41 AM 2/5/2003 -0800, Faith Jeff wrote: > >hi all, > > > >i'm in the process of replacing the main rear oil seal in my 90 gw > with the > >motor still in. so i have the pan off, and the rear main bearing > cap is > >off. i'm trying to get at the upper half of the seal to remove > it. > > > >my books say to press one end with a pokey-thing until the other > end can be > >grabbed with pliers. > > > >do you gotta hit it hard to get it to slide out? the books also > say to be > >careful to not damage the crank. > > > >you any tips? > > > >thanks, > >jeff > >so-cal > >90 gw > >63 wag > > > > > > > > > > > >This electronic message transmission, including any attachments, > contains > >information from Prescription Solutions which may be confidential > or > >privileged. 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Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 12:40:22 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: fsj: Q upper half of main rear oil seal On Wed, 5 Feb 2003, Greg Loxtercamp wrote: >-->Hey, can you do this stuff with the flexplate / flywheel / torque >-->converter / tranny connected? YES, but you may need to remove the TC so you have access... not usually though... you access from the pan side. The mechanic did this on old blue without even having to jack the jeep up. :) john >--> >-->Just curious... >--> >-->Greg >--> >--> >-->--- john wrote: >-->> go to napa and buy the slim jim seal tool or whatever they >-->> recommend. careful not to scratch the journals... keep things >-->> clean... >-->> >-->> john >-->> >-->> At 09:41 AM 2/5/2003 -0800, Faith Jeff wrote: >-->> >hi all, >-->> > >-->> >i'm in the process of replacing the main rear oil seal in my 90 gw >-->> with the >-->> >motor still in. so i have the pan off, and the rear main bearing >-->> cap is >-->> >off. i'm trying to get at the upper half of the seal to remove >-->> it. >-->> > >-->> >my books say to press one end with a pokey-thing until the other >-->> end can be >-->> >grabbed with pliers. >-->> > >-->> >do you gotta hit it hard to get it to slide out? the books also >-->> say to be >-->> >careful to not damage the crank. >-->> > >-->> >you any tips? >-->> > >-->> >thanks, >-->> >jeff >-->> >so-cal >-->> >90 gw >-->> >63 wag >-->> > >-->> > >-->> > >-->> > >-->> > >-->> >This electronic message transmission, including any attachments, >-->> contains >-->> >information from Prescription Solutions which may be confidential >-->> or >-->> >privileged. 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Sign up now. >-->http://mailplus.yahoo.com >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** john-at-wagoneers.com via PINE on Linux ** (plain text please!) ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. ...and remember, leaving life without Jesus just isn't recommended... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2003 12:59:10 -0800 From: john Subject: fsj: Re: J10 questions next time I think of it I'll look at the '80 brochure for color options... john At 09:43 PM 2/4/2003 -0500, Joel Piotrowski wrote: >OK, I'm curious because I have an '80 J10 stepside that I'm putting back >together. Mine was red from the factory with orange, yellow and black >honcho stripes. The truck in the pictures looks real good and it would be >nice to know a little more about it. Thanks for the reply John. > >Do you mind answering my questions Daniel? > >Thanks Again, >Joel > > > >On Tuesday, February 4, 2003, at 01:23 AM, john wrote: > >>At 01:12 AM 2/4/2003 -0500, Joel Piotrowski wrote: >>>Can you tell me a little about the truck in the pictures on this link? >> >>I'm cc'ing the owner, Daniel, would you care >>to answer the following questions? :) >> >>john >> >> >>>What size tires? >>>What size rims? >>>How much lift? >>>Motor? >>>Drivetrain? >>>Gearing? >>> >>>http://www.wagoneers.com/FSJ/rigs/Belgian-J10/ >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------ >> http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ >> Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... >> jesus, don't leave life without him, please! >>------------------------------------------------------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 15:09:41 -0600 From: "Keith, Michael S" Subject: RE: UPDATE - RE: fsj: '85 GW electrical problem - seem like a pow er s urge Yep, I did the R&R, but the electric shop basically rebuilt the alternator for $15. They disassembled it, cleaned & checked everything, & reassembled it with a new regulator. Not a bad deal in my book, & I'd rather give my business to a hard-working independent shop than a large corporation any day of the week. Michael Keith Houston, TX - -----Original Message----- From: john [mailto:john-at-wagoneers.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 2:33 PM To: Keith, Michael S; 'michael_shimniok-at-mac.com' Cc: fsj-at-digest.net Subject: Re: UPDATE - RE: fsj: '85 GW electrical problem - seem like a power s urge no surprise that a chain store's tester didn't find it... sounded like a thermal problem in the regulator... glad it was so easy to fix... I assume you did the R&R for only $15. ;) john At 01:47 PM 2/5/2003 -0600, Keith, Michael S wrote: >Thanks again for everyone's help. Autozone's tester couldn't pick up a >problem, but an auto electric shop found it. They had to disassemble the >alternator, & test the regulator by itself. A new regulator & $15 later, >problem seems to be solved. > >Michael Keith >Houston, TX ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 16:11:41 -0500 From: James Isennock Subject: RE: fsj: Q upper half of main rear oil seal While your in there this far anyway you ought to take a look at all the bearings too. Bearings (even good ones) are pretty cheap the cost is in the labor. If you don't want to mic or plasticguage the crank you could just put standard bearings back in without measuring anything. Ideally you measure everything and use undersize where appropriate but fresh standards are better than worn standards. Be sure to look at the back of the bearing shell to check if they were previously replaced with undersized though and put back in what you take out. Also, on the back - replacement bearings typically have a manufacturing date stamp so you can verify if the motor has ever been re-built. Being 13 years old new bearings can't hurt (even if you only do the rods) and the only special tool required is a torque wrench. An added benefit is with all the main caps loose the rear seal replacement is a little easier. Jay Isennock - -----Original Message----- From: john [mailto:john-at-wagoneers.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 3:40 PM To: Greg Loxtercamp Cc: fsj-at-digest.net Subject: Re: fsj: Q upper half of main rear oil seal On Wed, 5 Feb 2003, Greg Loxtercamp wrote: >-->Hey, can you do this stuff with the flexplate / flywheel / torque >-->converter / tranny connected? YES, but you may need to remove the TC so you have access... not usually though... you access from the pan side. The mechanic did this on old blue without even having to jack the jeep up. :) john >--> >-->Just curious... >--> >-->Greg >--> >--> >-->--- john wrote: >-->> go to napa and buy the slim jim seal tool or whatever they >-->> recommend. careful not to scratch the journals... keep things >-->> clean... >-->> >-->> john >-->> >-->> At 09:41 AM 2/5/2003 -0800, Faith Jeff wrote: >-->> >hi all, >-->> > >-->> >i'm in the process of replacing the main rear oil seal in my 90 gw >-->> with the >-->> >motor still in. so i have the pan off, and the rear main bearing >-->> cap is >-->> >off. i'm trying to get at the upper half of the seal to remove >-->> it. >-->> > >-->> >my books say to press one end with a pokey-thing until the other >-->> end can be >-->> >grabbed with pliers. >-->> > >-->> >do you gotta hit it hard to get it to slide out? the books also >-->> say to be >-->> >careful to not damage the crank. >-->> > >-->> >you any tips? >-->> > >-->> >thanks, >-->> >jeff >-->> >so-cal >-->> >90 gw >-->> >63 wag >-->> > >-->> > >-->> > >-->> > >-->> > >-->> >This electronic message transmission, including any attachments, >-->> contains >-->> >information from Prescription Solutions which may be confidential >-->> or >-->> >privileged. 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