From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Sat Feb 15 17:32:09 2003 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Saturday, February 15 2003 Volume 01 : Number 1862 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: fsj: Re: tach install... fsj: administrivia: notes on using this list fsj: Re: Fwd: RE : RE : RE : J10 questions fsj: [Fwd: AMC's for sale in Spokane, WA. -----NOT MINE] fsj: snow! Re: fsj: Q how to prime the oiling system fsj: Optima Spiral Cell Batteries fsj: Re: snow! Re: fsj: Optima Spiral Cell Batteries FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 23:13:03 -0600 From: JeepNut Subject: Re: fsj: Re: tach install... I've thought about the tach thing too and the only thing that I think I'd like is like the old Firebirds had, out on the hood. Or was that on a '68 GTO? I've been Jeep-centric for so long now, that "other" stuff is fading from my memory... JeepNut - -- Registered Linux User #287453 In a world without walls and fences, who needs Windows or Gates? - ------------------------------------------------------------ '87 Street Comanche #24/100 '88 Grand Wagoneer '87 Grand Wagoneer '92 Cherokee ...and they say there's only one... - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 07:15:00 +0000 From: Richard Welty Subject: fsj: administrivia: notes on using this list Digest.Net mailing list "Meta FAQ" These general notes on using Digest.Net mailing lists are posted on the 1st and 15th of each month. This file may be found on the web at http://www.digest.net/general-notes.txt [last revised 5/1/02; removed list of spam strings, as i'm not the only one filtering on them -- rpw] Additional information on Digest.Net's spam policies may be found at http://www.digest.net/email-policy.html and http://www.digest.net/blocked.html Table of Contents 1. 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For more information, see the web site. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 22:30:42 -0800 From: john Subject: fsj: Re: Fwd: RE : RE : RE : J10 questions At 12:32 AM 2/15/2003 -0500, Joel Piotrowski wrote: pix of Joel's truck: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/rigs/Joel_Piotrowski_J10/ john - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 23:23:16 -0800 From: Kevin Pekarek Subject: fsj: [Fwd: AMC's for sale in Spokane, WA. -----NOT MINE] Anyone in washington lookin for an old monster? Posted from the amc list. Yup, had to leave the eagle in there. I've got a soft spot for eagles, plus at $325, that's a steal if all it needs is a valve cover. I'm sure SOMEONE here is interested in a 68 gladiator with a four speed tho :) K - ----- Forwarded message from mail-at-amc-list.com----- The following were listed in the 2-14-03 edition of the spokane area Nickel Nik Classifieds. '85 AMC Eagle, 4x4 wagon, runs good, crack in valve cover, $325. (509)292-8659. 1968 Jeep Gladiator 4x4, 4 speed $800. (runs) (509)258-7286 - ----- End forwarded message ----- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 01:39:28 CST From: Dan Black Subject: fsj: snow! We got some nice ice today (in central Iowa), followed by even nicer snow. Looks like it's stopped for now, but I think we got 2-4". A few friends and I went out to have fun -- me in my '74/401 (with the Quadratrac), and the others in an early-80s I6 Bronco, a mid-90s V8 Dakota, and a mid-90s 2wd full-size Chevy pickup. One of the places we went is a park in town, but it has a nice, long, steep slope (still paved) going down to the main part of the park (and no other way out once you're down there). When we got down there, there were a couple of guys trying to a Grand Am back up. Ended up hooking up the tow chain (his lower front plastic bezel thingy was already broken, so they weren't worried about it, and we didn't break it any more) and pulled him right up. The others with the 4wd commented about how it barely slipped at all going up, and they weren't sure theirs could have pulled it up. And when we played around in the parking area, sliding around, they also commented how much better that accelerated in the snow. And they kept joking, "Darn Jeeps, makin' us look bad!" Anyway, the Chevy couldn't make it back up the hill (because it's 2wd and has street tires, not because it's a Chevy), so I actually ended up pulling him up the hill, too. :) Slipped a bit more that time, and even slid a foot or two to the side at one point, but never got stopped or stuck or anything. Just can't stop a 401 and Quadratrac (with BFG ATs). :) Even on the city streets, they were commenting that when we went from a stoplight, they couldn't keep up with me. :) And it still handled really nicely on the curvy rodes, and when I intentionally drove in the lane the plows had just plowed snow INto. :) (Sure glad I got the heater/defroster halfway fixed last year, though!) The Dakota was admittedly at a disadvantage; his tranny is acting up, and he was stuck in second gear, so he couldn't take off fast anyway. But we also went out last week when we got a smaller snow, and both rode with the other in each vehicle for awhile, and he was commenting then, too, that he thinks the combination of better weight distribution and the Quadratrac give me quite the advantage. (If it weren't for that, I'd bet he could've pulled the others up the hill, too. And I wouldn't be surprised if the Bronco could, too, despite "only" having an I6. To be honest, I think the 2wd Chevy might've made it up with AT tires.) So anyway, we were all just out for fun (and we had it!), but there's been an unintentional side effect of the others gaining quite a bit of respect for Jeeps. :) And if the weather stays "nice" (kinda the opposite of what most people would call it), we'll probably go out again tomorrow (well, Saturday) morning. I'm afraid they'll have everything plowed by then, though, if it doesn't start snowing again. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Trix are for kids. - -------------- Dan Black ------------------------- dan-at-black.org -------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 06:44:30 -0600 From: "Vince Orr" Subject: Re: fsj: Q how to prime the oiling system James: Just did a rebuild engine in the Rez Runner last summer and used petroleum jelly to pack the oil pump. Worked fine. I think I have a picture that shows all. Let me know if you want me to send it off list. PS: We got about 4 inches of snow last night......Rez and I are going for a drive....that is if I can find the coolant leak first....Waa Hoo!!! Haven't had much snow all winter.....time for some fun! - --Vince - --81 Wagoneer with AMC 360 Edelbrock edition c/o Vince - ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Isennock" To: "'Greg Loxtercamp'" ; "Faith Jeff" ; Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 1:26 PM Subject: RE: fsj: Q how to prime the oiling system I too have always used Vaseline to pack oil pumps - Never had a problem. If your meaning prime the system with oil then an old distributor shaft and a drill should do the trick. You could probably cut off the handle of a big screwdriver to use to turn the oil pump too. Jay Isennock - -----Original Message----- From: Greg Loxtercamp [mailto:greglox-at-yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 2:09 PM To: Faith Jeff; 'fsj-at-digest.net' Subject: Re: fsj: Q how to prime the oiling system The manual says to pack it with vasoline (petroleum jelly)... - --- Faith Jeff wrote: > hi all- > > Q: how do you prime the oil system prior to start-up? > > i'm almost ready to put the oil pan back on my 90 gw after > replacing the > main rear seal, the main bearings, and rod bearings. > > thanks, > jeff > so-cal > 90 gw > 63 wag > > > > > This electronic message transmission, including any attachments, > contains information from Prescription Solutions which may be > confidential or privileged. The information is intended to be for > the use of the individual or entity named above. If you are not the > intended recipient, be aware that any disclosure, copying, > distribution or use of the contents of this information is > prohibited. > > If you have received this electronic transmission in error, please > notify the sender immediately by a "reply to sender only" message > and destroy all electronic and hard copies of the communication, > including attachments. Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 06:51:04 -0600 From: "Vince Orr" Subject: fsj: Optima Spiral Cell Batteries FYI to all my list buddies: it's battery time! I was in Costco here in Chicago the other day and noticed that they carry Optima red and blue top batteries now......about $147. I want a couple of these bad.....does the price seem a little high? I get by fine with regular heavy duty batteries but all the fellows in the 4x4 magazines have Optimas right? Aren't they supposed to be more resistant to "trail trauma" too? Just looking for reasons to justify the expenditure..... - --Vince '81 Wagoneer '99 TJ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 07:13:59 -0600 From: "Vince Orr" Subject: fsj: Re: snow! I put some BFG AT's on my TJ about two weeks ago. I LOVE them. Really makes a difference over the old Goodyear Wranglers. Hard to beat in snow. I'm still running a set of Costco specials on the Rez. They really grip with Quadratrac too. Last Xmas day, I tugged a foreign guy and his wife and their 4 door car out of a shallow ditch by the school and my buddy who was with me noticed that I didn't even have to gas it, with the new Edelbrock carb, it idles a little heavy anyway and all I did was slide the rear end a little due to a bad angle. He was outside and said I didn't spin at all. Even the driver of the car, in the car with his wife at the time, (which really added some extra weight on the front end) was impressed with the speed and ease that I yanked him out of his predicament. His front end was in a rut that he made from spinning in the snow and mud and the tires were about 6 inches down into this. Dumb shit didn't even put the car in reverse when I pulled him out. My buddy said later it must have been in park 'cause I drug the front tires out of the hole. We both think the front of the car was actually sitting on the ground. I said, "Merry Christmas!" and we drove out of sight....... Buddy gave me crap....said I kind look like Santa...... I said, "Since when did Santa wear a Realtree camo coat and shoot his deer?" - --Vince '81 Waggie (Rez Runner) '99 TJ - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Black" To: "Full Size Jeeps" Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2003 1:39 AM Subject: fsj: snow! We got some nice ice today (in central Iowa), followed by even nicer snow. Looks like it's stopped for now, but I think we got 2-4". A few friends and I went out to have fun -- me in my '74/401 (with the Quadratrac), and the others in an early-80s I6 Bronco, a mid-90s V8 Dakota, and a mid-90s 2wd full-size Chevy pickup. One of the places we went is a park in town, but it has a nice, long, steep slope (still paved) going down to the main part of the park (and no other way out once you're down there). When we got down there, there were a couple of guys trying to a Grand Am back up. Ended up hooking up the tow chain (his lower front plastic bezel thingy was already broken, so they weren't worried about it, and we didn't break it any more) and pulled him right up. The others with the 4wd commented about how it barely slipped at all going up, and they weren't sure theirs could have pulled it up. And when we played around in the parking area, sliding around, they also commented how much better that accelerated in the snow. And they kept joking, "Darn Jeeps, makin' us look bad!" Anyway, the Chevy couldn't make it back up the hill (because it's 2wd and has street tires, not because it's a Chevy), so I actually ended up pulling him up the hill, too. :) Slipped a bit more that time, and even slid a foot or two to the side at one point, but never got stopped or stuck or anything. Just can't stop a 401 and Quadratrac (with BFG ATs). :) Even on the city streets, they were commenting that when we went from a stoplight, they couldn't keep up with me. :) And it still handled really nicely on the curvy rodes, and when I intentionally drove in the lane the plows had just plowed snow INto. :) (Sure glad I got the heater/defroster halfway fixed last year, though!) The Dakota was admittedly at a disadvantage; his tranny is acting up, and he was stuck in second gear, so he couldn't take off fast anyway. But we also went out last week when we got a smaller snow, and both rode with the other in each vehicle for awhile, and he was commenting then, too, that he thinks the combination of better weight distribution and the Quadratrac give me quite the advantage. (If it weren't for that, I'd bet he could've pulled the others up the hill, too. And I wouldn't be surprised if the Bronco could, too, despite "only" having an I6. To be honest, I think the 2wd Chevy might've made it up with AT tires.) So anyway, we were all just out for fun (and we had it!), but there's been an unintentional side effect of the others gaining quite a bit of respect for Jeeps. :) And if the weather stays "nice" (kinda the opposite of what most people would call it), we'll probably go out again tomorrow (well, Saturday) morning. I'm afraid they'll have everything plowed by then, though, if it doesn't start snowing again. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - --- Trix are for kids. - -------------- Dan Black ------------------------- dan-at-black.org -------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 06:24:00 -0800 From: Kevin Pekarek Subject: Re: fsj: Optima Spiral Cell Batteries On Sat, Feb 15, 2003 at 06:51:04AM -0600, Vince Orr wrote: > FYI to all my list buddies: it's battery time! > > I was in Costco here in Chicago the other day and noticed that they carry > Optima red and blue top batteries now......about $147. I want a couple of > these bad.....does the price seem a little high? I get by fine with regular > heavy duty batteries but all the fellows in the 4x4 magazines have Optimas > right? Aren't they supposed to be more resistant to "trail trauma" too? Just > looking for reasons to justify the expenditure..... Optima batteries are suppsed to be where it's at, but when I needed a battery, I didn't know that I needed $149 worth of bitchin offroad prowess in a battery, basically for two reasons: 1. I don't wheel hardcore and I'm stock, so the likelyhood of a rollover isn't as much as in a CJ with 8" of lift. Since the truck isn't going to be upside down, hopefully the battery won't either (!), so I shouldn't need a sealed dry cell. I'm rather capable of keeping water in a battery too. 2. I tend to prefer deep cycle RV/marine batteries in my trucks, cause the deep cycle is a LOT more forgiving than a normal cell to "oops, I left the KC's on too long so I could pitch a tent", "oops, I left the radio on all night", ... well, you get the idea. Add in several amps of radio equipment (ham, cb, stereo...), and it's nice to not have to worry about !-at-#%ing up your battery. Just grab the jump box out of the back, pull some fuses on the radios just in case, and go. I'd check out what the price four wheel parts wholesalers wants for one of the optimas. Costco should be much less expensive. I bought a $57 kirkland marine battery, and it's been more than adequate for everything I've needed. BUT, make sure #1 applies to you before making the decision :) They ARE also a more rugged battery than a die-hard (which, btw, have served my family well for many many years) K - -- Kevin Pekarek Redwood City, CA (near San Francisco) and Los Osos, CA (near San Luis Obispo) 74 Cherokee 2 door (258 1bbl, T15, D20, open 3.54 d44's) 77 Cherokee 4 door S (401 4bbl, TH400, BW QT, open 3.54 d44's) ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #1862 **************************