From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Tue Feb 18 23:57:38 2003 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Tuesday, February 18 2003 Volume 01 : Number 1865 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: fsj: steering playfulness fsj: RE: Re: 31x10.5 x15 Michelin LTX's (on XJ rims) fsj: Fwd: A.Word.A.Day--Rubicon Re: fsj: Fwd: A.Word.A.Day--Rubicon fsj: Re: steering box (wondering) fsj: Sorry for the multiple posts Re: fsj: Re: steering box (wondering) Re: fsj: Re: steering box (wondering) fsj: Re: [WJ-Grand] Re: Quadra Drive Rules! FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 09:15:50 -0800 From: john Subject: Re: fsj: steering playfulness I haven't had trouble with loose steering on any of the "newer" FSJ's, mid-70's and up... but on my '67 I broke the frame under the steering box in mud once... I think they redesigned and beefed up the frame in the '70's to fix the weakness... chevy's had that problem too and a friend suggested that to me when I told him my Jeep had the willys and was wandering all over the place... sure enough the frame mounts had busted clean off and stuff was just slapping around under there. :) john At 08:02 AM 2/17/2003 -0700, Tesar Landon-r16884 wrote: >Umm, quick check, and this has made a difference for some people, is that >the mounting bolts for the steering box itself are loose. This allows the >pitman? arm to move a bunch before it actually pushes the wheels in any >direction. - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 15:45:16 -0800 From: john Subject: fsj: RE: Re: 31x10.5 x15 Michelin LTX's (on XJ rims) let me know if you spot any XJ fuel tanks in the boneyard there... should have grabbed the tank/pump out of the '96 I parted... :) john At 02:55 PM 2/17/2003 -0800, Joe Hughes wrote: >Jim B. & John M., >I was just at "Pull-A-Part" last week. No FSJ's either at the Lynnwood >or Everett yard. They have a couple XJ's but are pretty much skeletons. >They do get new vehicles every day though. > >I was just there pulling a TBI, ECM, and wiring harness out of cop car >(Caprice Classic) for my wag. Now I just need a fuel pump and fuel >line. > >I have about $30 into it so far into my EFI conversion. My buddy is >giving me his fuel pump from his XJ. Not sure it will move enough >volume, but the pressure should be about right. I'll be sure to give >updates on the list when I finish. > >Joe Hughes >Everett, WA >1983 Jeep Wag Ltd. 360,727,44,20,229,33x14.5,+3" Springs > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-fsj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-fsj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of >Jim B >Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2003 4:47 PM >To: carnuck-at-hotmail.com >Subject: fsj: Re: 31x10.5 x15 Michelin LTX's (on XJ rims) > > >A: Hey John! Pop over to Pic-a-part in Everett (they have a couple FSJs >too! - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 16:03:21 -0800 (PST) From: Alexander Wall Subject: fsj: Fwd: A.Word.A.Day--Rubicon Thought this might be somewhat germaine to the list topic, fellow Jeepers: > Rubicon (ROO-bi-kon) noun > > A point of no return, one where an action taken commits a person > irrevocably. > > [Contrary to popular belief, Caesar salad is not named after Julius Caesar. > But today's term does have a connection to him. In 49 BCE, Caesar crossed the > Rubicon, a small river that formed the boundary between Cisalpine Gaul and > Italy. As he crossed the river into Italy, he exclaimed "iacta alea est" > (the die is cast) knowing well that his action signified a declaration > of war with Pompey. Today when an action marks a situation where there > is no going back, we say the Rubicon has been crossed.] > > "The age-old Labour debate between universal and means-tested social > benefits is being decisively resolved in favour of means-testing. Tony > Blair's government has indeed crossed the Rubicon." > The Universal Means Test; The Economist (London); Mar 6, 1999. > > "Why should one not say, for example, that the defendants in Boyle > 'crossed the Rubicon' and were thus guilty of attempted burglary when > they attacked the door of the house which they intended to burgle ..." > R.A. Duff; Criminal Attempts; Oxford University; 1996. > Full-text on Questia at http://www.questia.com/CM.qst?D=wotdrubicon > > This week's theme: toponyms, or words derived from the names of places. > > Sponsored by Think Right Now! 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Guaranteed results. http://www.InHomeTutoring.com/vbcd.html > > ............................................................................ > It is chiefly through books that we enjoy intercourse with superior minds. > -William Ellery Channing, clergyman and writer (1780-1842) > > "A banquet of words!" -Richard Lederer, author of The Miracle of Language > "A refreshing approach to words." -John Simpson, Chief Editor, the OED > "Now at last here's a feast." -Barbara Wallraff, senior editor, Atlantic Monthly > The Book: http://amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0471230324/ws00-20/ > > Pronunciation: > http://wordsmith.org/words/rubicon.wav > http://wordsmith.org/words/rubicon.ram ===== Alexander Wall Spokane, WA ================================================================================= "Before you attempt to beat the odds, be sure you can survive the odds beating you!" - E.L. Kersten, Ph.D. ================================================================================= Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 16:58:39 -0800 From: john Subject: Re: fsj: Fwd: A.Word.A.Day--Rubicon At 04:03 PM 2/17/2003 -0800, Alexander Wall wrote: > Thought this might be somewhat germaine to the list topic, fellow Jeepers: > > Rubicon (ROO-bi-kon) noun and here I thought it was just a cool trail in CA. :) thanx, john - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 21:20:22 EST From: Brazzadog-at-aol.com Subject: fsj: Re: steering box (wondering) These power steering boxes are essentially the same ones used in GM cars and trucks. They were made by Saginaw who also made the steering columns and I believe was a subsidiary of GM. The only variation that won't be fairly obvious would be the internal ratio or valving. They might make the steering feel a little different but you probably wouldn't notice any difference. You'd want to make sure the replacement unit had the right number of mounting holes (either 3 or 4) and that the input and output shafts were the same. The input and output shafts might all be the same, but I don't know that for sure so it'd be better to check. In my experience junkyards either remove steering gears and put them in a pile that you can pick through or they leave them on the vehicle and you pull it yourself. I like to pull them myself so I can mark output shaft when the wheels are straight. Either way, you might find one that still had black paint on it. That would be a good sign. High-mileage vehicles often have low-mileage parts when they wind up in a junkyard. Saginaw steering gears are arguably the most durable ones ever made so chances of finding a good one usually aren't too bad. If a junkyard wouldn't exchange a bad one they'd sold me, I wouldn't do business there. Of course, then you're still out the time required to do the work. Ben Williams In a message dated 2/16/2003 8:11:52 PM Pacific Standard Time, jeepnut-at-bellsouth.net writes: >Just wondering if that is such a good idea? >I've thought about replacing my leaker with a junkyard box, but wondered if it >really made any sense? >I mean, won't any junkyard box likely be at or near "leaking" also? >Unless you found the rare "low milage" Waggie with a steering box.... >Or maybe you can use a steering gear box off of something else that is low > mileage? Are these the same as GM boxes or something? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 21:29:47 EST From: Brazzadog-at-aol.com Subject: fsj: Sorry for the multiple posts I seem to have had an e-mail glich. I think it's over now. Ben Williams ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 22:55:35 -0600 From: JeepNut Subject: Re: fsj: Re: steering box (wondering) Great reply Ben. Helpful info for sure, but this quote was really brilliant. Quite right of course and I didn't even think about it in those terms. :-) I know that if (Heaven forbid) mine ended up in a yard for some reason there'd be a LOT of pretty good and near new parts to pick over... Thanks for the info. JeepNut Brazzadog-at-aol.com wrote: >... Either way, you might find one that still had black >paint on it. That would be a good sign. High-mileage vehicles often have >low-mileage parts when they wind up in a junkyard..... > - -- Registered Linux User #287453 In a world without walls and fences, who needs Windows or Gates? - ------------------------------------------------------------ '87 Street Comanche #24/100 '88 Grand Wagoneer '87 Grand Wagoneer '92 Cherokee ...and they say there's only one... - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 10:44:15 EST From: Brazzadog-at-aol.com Subject: Re: fsj: Re: steering box (wondering) I'm glad it was helpful. Sometimes I wonder. Ben Williams In a message dated 2/17/2003 8:58:51 PM Pacific Standard Time, jeepnut-at-bellsouth.net writes: >Great reply Ben. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 09:23:59 -0800 From: john Subject: fsj: Re: [WJ-Grand] Re: Quadra Drive Rules! At 09:07 AM 2/18/2003 -0500, Don White wrote: >WOW!!!! 26 inches!!!! Can I come play in that snow?? (grin). > >As I said before, Jeep just doesn't make a bad vehicle,,,,,,,,, However, the >Quadra Drive Rules!! Quadra-Drive is built on Quadratrac! :) The Quadratrac II is an NV247, from 80-82 Quadratrac was the NP219, prior to that from '74-'79 they used the Borg Warner 1339. here's some pix of an FSJ dealing with the storm in Seattle in '96: (Old Blue had an NP219 Quadratrac, same xfr case that's going behind the '96 xj 4.0L/AW4 tranny with a custom adapter in SuperDawg) http://www.wagoneers.com/.images/halfway.jpg http://www.wagoneers.com/.images/saturdaydrive.jpg no snoW in snoHOMISH so far this year... we cut the lawn the other day... sunny between rain showers right now... in the 40's... ;) john - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #1865 **************************