From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Fri Feb 21 11:59:59 2003 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Friday, February 21 2003 Volume 01 : Number 1867 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: fsj: Re: steering box (wondering) fsj: switches on SuperDawg - preliminary functional specification fsj: in the search for economy... fsj: 360 -> 401 fsj: transmission linkage on '74/401/TH400 fsj: RE: transmission linkage on '74/401/TH400 Re: fsj: transmission linkage on '74/401/TH400 Re: fsj: transmission linkage on '74/401/TH400 fsj: FSJ tonkas... fsj: more on Tonkas fsj: '94 Grand Cherokee Interior Lights FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 15:11:34 -0800 From: "Jim B" Subject: Re: fsj: Re: steering box (wondering) A: If someone needs one, I have the box, pump and hoses with V8 bracket off the '76 J10 my son parted. First $75 takes the works! From: Brazzadog-at-aol.com Subject: fsj: Re: steering box (wondering) These power steering boxes are essentially the same ones used in GM cars and trucks. They were made by Saginaw who also made the steering columns and I believe was a subsidiary of GM. The only variation that won't be fairly obvious would be the internal ratio or valving. They might make the steering feel a little different but you probably wouldn't notice any difference. You'd want to make sure the replacement unit had the right number of mounting holes (either 3 or 4) and that the input and output shafts were the same. The input and output shafts might all be the same, but I don't know that for sure so it'd be better to check. In my experience junkyards either remove steering gears and put them in a pile that you can pick through or they leave them on the vehicle and you pull it yourself. I like to pull them myself so I can mark output shaft when the wheels are straight. Either way, you might find one that still had black paint on it. That would be a good sign. High-mileage vehicles often have low-mileage parts when they wind up in a junkyard. Saginaw steering gears are arguably the most durable ones ever made so chances of finding a good one usually aren't too bad. If a junkyard wouldn't exchange a bad one they'd sold me, I wouldn't do business there. Of course, then you're still out the time required to do the work. Ben Williams ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 21:34:56 -0800 From: john Subject: fsj: switches on SuperDawg - preliminary functional specification specs for switches: SPDT, Center Off for most... up position - ON center position - OFF down position - connected to lights per description (default setting) IN order: Left to Right: Fog light, driving light, left backup, right backup, aux tank, interior map, cargo lamp, left rock, right rock CONFIGURATION: ================ Fog light, UP - on, center - off, DOWN - low beams Driving Lights, UP - on, center - off, DOWN - high beams left backup, right backup - UP - on, center-off, Down - backup lights Aux tank - UP - Aux, DOWN - normal (no center off. ;) Interior MAP - UP-ON, DOWN- interior dome light, Center off Cargo Lamp - UP-ON, Down - interior dome light, center off Left/right rock - UP-ON, down OFF - (no center off) So, the basic idea is when all switched are down they are in a "default" position that won't get me in trouble with local authorities, oncoming vehicles are drain the batteries... ;) Rocker switches sound good, but shorter versions of the IPF light switches might work too... IF we could mount them all on a bracket or a bar that is secure and stable and maybe mounts to the right side of the steering column. Hmm, then we could add the remote for the stereo too... so perhaps we should look at something that is just off the steering wheel, but not so it interferes with reaching for my cell phone or latte mind you... ;) john - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 01:02:06 -0800 From: john Subject: fsj: in the search for economy... Just swapped my 31x10.5 Michelin LTX M/S's for a set of BFG A/T KO 215/75R15... wow. what a "let down". ;) The 31's looked pretty nice on the XJ with 3" of lift, but I'm sure that I'll be able to live with only one tire size over stock... ;) I've never been a big fan of really big tires... We were laughing our heads off transforming Dennis' '84 2dr xj into a monster truck while lowering my '87 xj... First tire swap twisted both XJ's, his up, mine down... funny... but when we whipped out the tape measure and did the "math" I only lost 1.5" overall height measured at the wheelwell. Not bad. I can live with it if my economy goes up, which it should... My speedometer went from being over 15% off to just 1.5 mph over at 55mph (according to the GPS). Ride and noise levels are about the same. It'll be nice not having to use the GPS to keep from getting a ticket... I couldn't read my little conversion chart without reading glasses anyway... so I pulled it off and gave it to Dennis. ;) Maybe later we'll pull his speedo gear and see if the 30 tooth I couldn't get to work on my xfr case will work on his. We weighed the tires, the 215's weighed about 10lbs less then the 31's. So I shaved 40 lbs off of my weight too. I think the 215's were 52lbs while the 31's were 62 lbs each. My tired (242,000 mile) XJ seemed a bit snappier... I'm sure this will help an already acceptable fuel economy on it. :) It'll also keep my tranny from hunting in and out of lockup in normal traffic. The BFG's aren't quite as good in snow or mud as the Michelin's were, but we all know how much time I spend off road... ;) On Tuesday I bring home the '85 190D. Soon as we sell the '99 WJ we'll be in pretty good shape... no car payments and two reasonably affordable to drive vehicles... :) later, john - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 09:56:50 CST From: Dan Black Subject: fsj: 360 -> 401 Well, I'm going through the final details of getting a 401 to have rebuilt to replace the 360 in my '88 GWag. The current issue: the flexplate. Many people have said you need the 401 flexplate when switching from a 360. However, there's an issue with the 401 flexplate going on a TF727, since it was originally on a TH400. There are apparently two possiblities. (This is the point where I'm wondering if anybody sees any problems with my plan.) The first is to have the 360 flexplate rebalanced by a machine shop. However, this sounds like the worse of the two ideas because the machine shop I called looked it up and said all the old AMC V8s are externally balanced, so it'd be a mess to get it to work. The second possiblity, and what I'm planning to do (again, looking for verification here...), is to get the 401 flexplate and just have them drill new holes to match the TF727. (Drilling the holes changes the weight slightly, but supposedly _only_ slightly, i.e., not enough to make a serious difference.) The other nice thing is that even if the guy I'm getting the 401 from can't find the flexplate, I can get a brand new one for $63 plus shipping. And no, I don't want to swap out the TF727 for a TH400 -- more work, and then I have to figure out using the transfer case (NP229?) with the TH400... Or "just" swap the entire drive train and convert to the TH400, BW1339 Quadratrac, new axles... Yeah, waaaay more work and EXPENSE than I want to go through. I'm already going to be making some moderately big changes to the fuel injection. ;) So, if anybody could comment on whether that's a good plan or not, especially if you have personal experience putting a 401 in with a TF727, I'd appareciate it. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- They're only trying to make me LOOK paranoid. - -------------- Dan Black ------------------------- dan-at-black.org -------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 10:06:34 CST From: Dan Black Subject: fsj: transmission linkage on '74/401/TH400 A separate question from my engine swap... On a '74 with a 401 and a TH400, anybody know how to adjust the transmission linkage? Mine shifts a lot slower than I want (correct shift points, but takes probably a couple seconds to shift, and has since I got it and had the transmission rebuilt), but I can't find any linkage on the side of the throttle body like the 360/TF727 has! Just the linkage from the accelerator; nothing else... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I have an inferiority complex. It's just not a very good one. - -------------- Dan Black ------------------------- dan-at-black.org -------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 11:10:39 -0500 From: James Isennock Subject: fsj: RE: transmission linkage on '74/401/TH400 I'm a Mopar guy at heart. But, I think you should be looking for a vacuum modulator on the transmission that is probably not getting a signal. I think it gets direct engine vacuum - look for a hose that didn't get re-connected after the rebuild. Jay Isennock - -----Original Message----- From: Dan Black [mailto:dan-at-black.org] Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 11:07 AM To: Full Size Jeeps Subject: fsj: transmission linkage on '74/401/TH400 A separate question from my engine swap... On a '74 with a 401 and a TH400, anybody know how to adjust the transmission linkage? Mine shifts a lot slower than I want (correct shift points, but takes probably a couple seconds to shift, and has since I got it and had the transmission rebuilt), but I can't find any linkage on the side of the throttle body like the 360/TF727 has! Just the linkage from the accelerator; nothing else... - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - --- I have an inferiority complex. It's just not a very good one. - -------------- Dan Black ------------------------- dan-at-black.org - -------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 08:23:43 -0800 (PST) From: Greg Loxtercamp Subject: Re: fsj: transmission linkage on '74/401/TH400 The TH400 uses engine vacuum to determine when to shift. On, my '79 I was getting slow and late shifts. I traced the problem to the vacuum diaphram on the side of the TH400 (I forget the real name, but it's on the passenger side of the tranny...just above the pan). It turned out that the vacuum hose was deteriorated from the leaky engine and encountered a vacuum leak. I can't remember if I replaced the diaphram or just the small section of vacuum tubing, but it fixed the problem. This is the 'sensor' to determine when and how to shift. Greg . - --- Dan Black wrote: > A separate question from my engine swap... > > On a '74 with a 401 and a TH400, anybody know how to adjust the > transmission linkage? Mine shifts a lot slower than I want > (correct > shift points, but takes probably a couple seconds to shift, and has > since I got it and had the transmission rebuilt), but I can't find > any > linkage on the side of the throttle body like the 360/TF727 has! > Just > the linkage from the accelerator; nothing else... > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > I have an inferiority complex. It's just not a very good one. > -------------- Dan Black ------------------------- dan-at-black.org - -------------- Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 10:28:42 CST From: Dan Black Subject: Re: fsj: transmission linkage on '74/401/TH400 I'll look for vacuum stuff, hopefully tonight... Thanks, Jay and Greg, for the suggestion! (And I'm still open to other suggestions in case I can't find anything there...) So IS there any linkage that can be adjusted? I'll still try checking for vacuum leaks first, but just for reference... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- It might look like I'm doing nothing, but at the cellular level I'm really quite busy. - -------------- Dan Black ------------------------- dan-at-black.org -------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 12:30:00 -0800 From: john Subject: fsj: FSJ tonkas... I need to sell off some of my Tonka collection... it's out of control. :) I've brought all my teaching notes, books and computers home and my office is stuffed... :) email me off list if you're interested... I have several of just about every type created... ;) Unfortunately none of my fire trucks have the ladders. :( If you have a set of ladders I'd be interested in negotiation... ;) When I get some time I'll gather up all the ones I'm interested in selling and putting pictures on my server. My plan is to keep one or two of each, the best of course, and sell the rest. None of them were "cheap", been buying them off ebay and in antique stores all over the country. let me know what you're interested in... http://www.wagoneers.com/FSJ/Tonkas john-at-wagoneers.com john-at-wagoneers.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 13:31:50 -0800 From: john Subject: fsj: more on Tonkas putting the tonkas for sale on line at: http://www.wagoneers.com/FSJ/Tonkas/Feb-2003-FOR-SALE hard to price, the firetruck in the picture has a receipt showing I paid $37 for it... pretty sure there were shipping charges on top of that... One good thing is that these things will appreciate over time, it's not a toy, it's an investment. ;) john john -at- wagoneers.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 21:39:37 -0600 From: "Damian Shaver" Subject: fsj: '94 Grand Cherokee Interior Lights I have a friend with a 94 Grand Cherokee that is having problems with his interior lights staying on. He says the interior lights stay on longer than they used to (when he originally purchased the car). What could be the cause of this and how should we go about fixing it? Thanks, Damian Shaver '76 Cherokee ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #1867 **************************