From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Tue Mar 4 17:20:17 2003 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Sunday, March 2 2003 Volume 01 : Number 1874 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: fsj: Re: New FSJ in the family fsj: Re: Fender Flares (continued) Re: fsj: Re: New FSJ in the family fsj: Re: New FSJ in the family fsj: another Jeep for snohomish... fsj: administrivia: notes on using this list fsj: panel door hinges, and some ideas Re: fsj: panel door hinges, and some ideas Re: fsj: panel door hinges, and some ideas Re: fsj: panel door hinges, and some ideas Re: fsj: Fender Flares (continued) Re: fsj: Re: [FSJparts] Stepside fenders? Panel Doors too! Re: fsj: RE: Loose Vacuum Line Under Dash fsj: Re: FW: A bounty of articles and references fsj: Red Green Alert fsj: Re: TIMING COVER ON A 350 BUICK FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 22:41:32 EST From: Brazzadog-at-aol.com Subject: fsj: Re: New FSJ in the family I didn't think of that. So then the mic cord would come out through the glovebox? I don't think they'd make it so you have to open the glovebox to use the CB. I'll check it out though. Ben >From: "Jim B" > >A: It plugs into the cigarette lighter (just kidding!) I think it actually >plugs into the back like my Eagle's AM/FM 2 way radio did. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 22:43:48 EST From: Brazzadog-at-aol.com Subject: fsj: Re: Fender Flares (continued) If you get a response, please let us know. I e-mailed them early in the week and have had no response. I will try to follow up on Monday. Ben Williams '71 Wagoneer '78 Cherokee >From: "Damian Shaver" > >Alright John, thanks for the info. I guess I'll try Raybuck to see if I can >get a set of fiberglass ones. If anyone else knows where I can get a set >(original or repro/fiberglass), I would sure appreciate it! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 19:47:40 -0800 From: john Subject: Re: fsj: Re: New FSJ in the family It should connect under the dash or in the dash... I've seen a factory setup before... don't have time to look now, but I've seen it before... sorry... I just can't find it... john At 10:41 PM 2/28/2003 -0500, Brazzadog-at-aol.com wrote: >I didn't think of that. So then the mic cord would come out through the >glovebox? I don't think they'd make it so you have to open the glovebox to >use the CB. I'll check it out though. > >Ben > > >From: "Jim B" > > > >A: It plugs into the cigarette lighter (just kidding!) I think it actually > >plugs into the back like my Eagle's AM/FM 2 way radio did. - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 23:25:08 EST From: Brazzadog-at-aol.com Subject: fsj: Re: New FSJ in the family I'll look again tomorrow. Under the dash seems unlikely since the A/C ducts pretty well fill that space. Ben >In a message dated 2/28/2003 7:56:04 PM Pacific Standard Time, > john-at-wagoneers.com writes: > >It should connect under the dash or in the dash... I've >seen a factory setup before... don't have time to look now, >but I've seen it before... sorry... I just can't find it... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 21:58:26 -0800 From: john Subject: fsj: another Jeep for snohomish... I went down and looked at a troubled XJ today... I think my son is going to buy it. Need to sell his '86 Ford Ranger 2.3L I-4, AT, white with canopy... $1k... he'll have an FSJ ('79 Golden Turkey... it was an Eagle, but it's been kind of plucked... ;) and an '89 XJ then... later, john - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2003 07:15:00 +0000 From: Richard Welty Subject: fsj: administrivia: notes on using this list Digest.Net mailing list "Meta FAQ" These general notes on using Digest.Net mailing lists are posted on the 1st and 15th of each month. 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What is Krusty Motorsports, anyway? Krusty Motorsports (http:/www.krusty-motorsports.com/) is a business which is owned and operated by Richard Welty (rwelty-at-krusty-motorsports.com). Krusty is an S-Corporation in the State of New York. Krusty provides a number of Internet related services, such as mailing list, web sites, pop3/telnet accounts, and consulting on internet related issues. For more information, see the web site. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 23:48:44 -0700 From: "Tacoma White" Subject: fsj: panel door hinges, and some ideas Hey I was thinking: on those panel doors, why not try to use Suburban hinges, or Excursion hinges? It's going to be a custom retrofit anyway. I'm currently looking at making either A. a set of custom barn doors (not molded to the body though, this is for a trail beast, all they have to do is open and close and keep weather out-- yeah, that's ALL! hehe) or B. a Blazer type rear w/glass hatch. The motors on these Jeeps don't seem to hold up. Depending on how much this stuff costs, I have dreams of nice, prerunner style fenders for the FSJ's hehehe The tailgate skins or even the whole thing, would be nice in fiberglass.. Things like hoods (which US Body makes, and w/hood scoops too!), inner door panels etc would be nice in fiberglass. Anyway, I digress. The hinge idea I think can be simply overcome w/current, available parts. I am a big fan of the KISS Principle, but I know there are some engineers on this list heheheh so.... - --Tacoma ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2003 00:07:53 -0800 From: john Subject: Re: fsj: panel door hinges, and some ideas see if those hinges fit up to your wag... I have pix on my server, under rigs... look for the panel pix... john At 11:48 PM 2/28/2003 -0700, Tacoma White wrote: > Hey I was thinking: on those panel doors, why not try to use >Suburban hinges, or Excursion hinges? It's going to be a custom retrofit >anyway. > I'm currently looking at making either A. a set of custom barn doors (not >molded to the body though, this is for a trail beast, all they have to do is >open and close and keep weather out-- yeah, that's ALL! hehe) or B. a Blazer >type rear w/glass hatch. The motors on these Jeeps don't seem to hold up. > > Depending on how much this stuff costs, I have dreams of nice, prerunner >style fenders for the FSJ's hehehe The tailgate skins or even the whole thing, >would be nice in fiberglass.. Things like hoods (which US Body makes, and >w/hood scoops too!), inner door panels etc would be nice in fiberglass. > > Anyway, I digress. The hinge idea I think can be simply overcome >w/current, available parts. I am a big fan of the KISS Principle, but I know >there are some engineers on this list heheheh so.... > >--Tacoma - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2003 01:53:00 -0700 From: "Tacoma White" Subject: Re: fsj: panel door hinges, and some ideas not saying they will necessarily, but just that it might be easier than making custom ones? Tacoma - ----- Original Message ----- From: "john" To: "Tacoma White" ; "fsj list" Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2003 1:07 AM Subject: Re: fsj: panel door hinges, and some ideas > > see if those hinges fit up to your wag... > > I have pix on my server, under rigs... look for the panel pix... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2003 00:48:43 -0800 From: john Subject: Re: fsj: panel door hinges, and some ideas well, it would be nice to close and open the doors and have them seal... ;) otherwise we could use the handyman's secret weapon... rofl... BTW, The Movie Duct Tape Forever will be on the Seattle/Tacoma PBS station Saturday at 8pm... :) john At 01:53 AM 3/1/2003 -0700, Tacoma White wrote: > not saying they will necessarily, but just that it might be easier than >making custom ones? > > > Tacoma > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "john" >To: "Tacoma White" ; "fsj list" >Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2003 1:07 AM >Subject: Re: fsj: panel door hinges, and some ideas > > > > > > see if those hinges fit up to your wag... > > > > I have pix on my server, under rigs... look for the panel pix... - ----------------------------- Oh well, I'm a man, but I can change, if I have to, I guess -Red Green - ------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- If you're thinking about Lasik, you have to check out this place: http://www.restorevisioncenters.com/ My vision went from over 20/200 to 20/15 or better! Tell 'em john at wagoneers.com sent you. :) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 23:51:23 -0800 From: "Jim B" Subject: Re: fsj: Fender Flares (continued) A: Why not use the Ranger to move those parts? My '86 Commanche is up for sale for $2500 with fuel injected 4 cyl, 5 speed, 4x4, 4.10 gears and canopy for $2500. If I sell it soon enough, maybe I'll be able to get that chopped rig your son has right now (I have another LPG system for a Ford 2bbl which will bolt in and at $1.14 a gallon it's cheaper to run than gas!) From: john Subject: Re: fsj: Fender Flares (continued) I'd sell you the ones from the front of the Golden Eagle but I'm trying to keep all the pieces around for it... when my son finally gets into the air force and leaves I'm sure he'll tell me to get rid of it for him. ;) BTW, anyone interested in an '86 Ford Ranger with the 2.3L I-4, AT and a nice canopy. If finally got down to Seattle to look at the '89 Cherokee that has some damage and my son wants it rather then the ranger... wife won't let him have too many rigs here.. gotta move it fast... $1,000, it's a nice little truck... later, john ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 23:48:11 -0800 From: "Jim B" Subject: Re: fsj: Re: [FSJparts] Stepside fenders? Panel Doors too! A: If you run the hinges past me I can see if I recognize them from something else that's AMC (I also have access to the AMC-list and with part #s many things can happen) From: john Subject: fsj: Re: [FSJparts] Stepside fenders? Panel Doors too! I'll try to get up to the fiberglass fabricator next week... (snip) Oh yeah, I may be dragging the J-100 Panel doors up there as well. I'm not sure if they'll fit in my Jeep easily... Maybe I'll have to do the rear fenders first and then go up there with the J10 trailer as soon as it's done with the panel doors in there. Meister Distribution & Services may be the only source (unless someone else goes through the trouble and expense of making the molds) for J-10 Stepside fender flares and the Panel Doors. We need a source for the Hinges and latch assemblies. I know that we could manufacture them, but machining costs are signficant. Shoot, if I can get all the parts and striping together for the Panel Door conversion on a Grand Wagoneer I'll build my Diesel FSJ. :) (snip) To give you an idea of costs it cost us over $250, wait, cost me... ;) to make the adapter to mate the NP219 to the Aisin Warner 4speed auto. That's probably why Advance Adapter gets close to $500 for an adapter, this stuff ain't cheap to deal with. You can't run a business giving stuff away for material costs alone. You have to pay for the space, tools, electricity and fuel for the workers... ;) A: It cost that much cause you didn't listen to me tell you that I had a way of making one! With the one I made, all someone has to do is hook it to a CAD program to make. I'm currently looking into an adapter to hook up an AX-15 to 4 cyl XJ/MJs. >One of the biggest problem with all of this is how do we get a new fender or panel doors from the Puget Sound area to points east... I happen to know of a couple of truckers... problem is there's only a few of us and just not enough market to sustain this sort of thing as a viable business... at least not initially. That means folks first buying are going to be paying more and I'll be dumping a lot of my money and time into this and the other players will be dumping a lot of their resources as well... Unfortunately it's all about covering costs and making a living. As we all know all of this stuff takes a LOT of TIME. john A: Don't forget that at present there is a finite number of these trucks around. I'm hoping to increase the number of trucks (first though, I need a translator and a boat to bring them on!) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 23:35:23 -0800 From: "Jim B" Subject: Re: fsj: RE: Loose Vacuum Line Under Dash A: I'll lay odds 2 to 3 that it came off the brake pedal near the light switch. (that's where the cruise control kick off hose hooks to) From: "Frazier Phillips" Subject: fsj: RE: Loose Vacuum Line Under Dash The vehicle is a 1986 GW. Shorty ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2003 11:28:17 -0800 From: john Subject: fsj: Re: FW: A bounty of articles and references cool, thanx. some great info on general stuff... I wonder how the RED Porsche brake calipers would look on my Grand Cherokee? ;) john > Subject: A bounty of neat articles and references, not just BMW http://www.pelicanparts.com/BMW/BMW_tech_articles.htm - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2003 19:10:46 -0800 From: john Subject: fsj: Red Green Alert They're showing the full feature length movie of Red Green's Duct Tape forever at 8pm (Seattle/Tacoma area, check local listings) on KBCT CH 12 tonight!!! (Saturday March 1, 2003) It'll be interspersed with the normal PBS fund raising stuff. I saw the movie earlier this year... if you don't miss it don't fret, but hey, it's free on TV. :) I'm going to watch it again. Hey, we're outta popcorn... less then an hour before it shows... gotta run... enjoy, john - ----------------------------- Oh well, I'm a man, but I can change, if I have to, I guess -Red Green - ------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- If you're thinking about Lasik, you have to check out this place: http://www.restorevisioncenters.com/ My vision went from around 20/200 to 20/15 or better! Tell 'em john at wagoneers.com sent you. :) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2003 22:17:49 -0800 From: john Subject: fsj: Re: TIMING COVER ON A 350 BUICK At 09:32 PM 3/1/2003 -0800, thomas edmonston wrote: >HELLO JOHN >I STUFFED A 350 BUICK FOR A 70 WAGONEER INTO A 170 FC JEEP. THE TIMING >COVER IS LEAKING. DO YOU KNOW A SOURCE FOR THIS PART? >TOM I'd check with GM dealers parts departments... or possibly crown auto... there was a guy down in Oregon that was going through these things and reselling them... haven't heard from him in a long time though. There's two types of Jeeps I haven't had yet... a bob tail and a forward control... :) good luck, I'll share this with the FSJ lists and hope someone can help you out. :) be sure to cc: "thomas edmonston" john meister snohomish, washington - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #1874 **************************