From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Sat May 24 14:30:46 2003 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Saturday, May 24 2003 Volume 01 : Number 1935 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: fsj: rear window channel (was RE: fsj-digest V1 #1933) RE: fsj: chewed up rear channel... RE: fsj: chewed up rear channel... fsj: Hidden uses for excess fsj parts Re: fsj: Hidden uses for excess fsj parts RE: fsj: chewed up rear channel... RE: fsj: chewed up rear channel... fsj: Re: Vigilante exhaust manifold fsj: RE: Removing Odors - and mice infestations RE: fsj: chewed up rear channel... fsj: new Jeep Tonka page... fsj: Re: 66 Gladiator 327 fsj: 90 GW for sale Re: fsj: 90 GW for sale fsj: two TH400s and Quadratracs... and other FSJ stuff fsj: Re: looks like I'm in the group FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 07:42:27 -0700 From: "Jim B" Subject: fsj: rear window channel (was RE: fsj-digest V1 #1933) A: www.Oly4x4.com has them new (in Snohomish, just north and slightly east of John) I think it was -at-$20 when I got mine 3 years ago for Elmo. They are Crown re-pops. From: "Terry Wayland" Subject: fsj: RE: fsj-digest V1 #1933 Does anyone have the rear window channel the one the glass sits in? Mine is chewed up pretty bad. Thanks Terry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 07:45:11 -0700 From: "Jim B" Subject: RE: fsj: chewed up rear channel... A: I think the flood down the hill because of the contractor work above John lowered the floor a little! (Besides, John's not that short. I still get glare if I try to look over his head when he's not wearing a hat on sunny days!) From: James Isennock Subject: RE: fsj: chewed up rear channel... The National Electric Code prohibits the operating mechanism for your GFI breaker (or any electrical device) from being higher than 6'6" off the floor. You must be one altitudanially challenged (PC for short) fellow. Jay Isennock ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 07:50:34 -0700 From: "Jim B" Subject: RE: fsj: chewed up rear channel... A: The lights are tripping it because you have the power wires reversed and the neutral feedback is causing it to kick out. (should've seen the look on the face of the wiring inspector when he checked my house after I did a minor rewire for my addition and updated most of my outlets. I had 2 different circuits in the room that were phased correctly. He said most people will tap into power from the next room, and run another lead in from the breaker box, and end up with 2 appliances next to each other with a 220V potential, like fridge and stove, and people get QUITE the zap if they touch both at once!) From: john Subject: RE: fsj: chewed up rear channel... At 12:53 PM 5/22/2003 -0400, James Isennock wrote: >The National Electric Code prohibits the operating mechanism for your GFI >breaker (or any electrical device) from being higher than 6'6" off the >floor. You must be one altitudanially challenged (PC for short) fellow. >Jay Isennock you got that right... there ain't nothing in my carport that tall... ;) the two meter cabinet I have rolling around in there just barely clears... besides this is a "temporary" structure... ;) and I'm thinking of taking the GFI out anyway, don't need it, and the florescent lights always trip it when I turn them off... :) I need to come up with a better carport/shop setup... john ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 09:16:18 -0700 From: Tesar Landon-r16884 Subject: fsj: Hidden uses for excess fsj parts Now THAT was hilarious. - - L Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 09:47:29 -0700 From: john Subject: Re: fsj: chewed up rear channel... At 10:16 AM 5/22/2003 -0400, Terry Wayland wrote: > Does anyone have the rear window channel the one the glass sits in? Mine > is chewed up pretty bad. >Thanks Terry > where are you? I have a couple laying around that might be better then yours... if you're up in Seattle be happy to swap the chewed up one for one less mangled.... I only use it to reset the GFI breaker in my carport. :) (I'm too short to reach it). ;) john ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 10:20:42 -0700 From: john Subject: Re: fsj: Hidden uses for excess fsj parts you ought to see what I do with the extra tailgate access covers... :) roof leaks? not a problem... :) john At 09:16 AM 5/23/2003 -0700, Tesar Landon-r16884 wrote: >Now THAT was hilarious. > >- L > >Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 09:47:29 -0700 >From: john >Subject: Re: fsj: chewed up rear channel... > >At 10:16 AM 5/22/2003 -0400, Terry Wayland wrote: > > Does anyone have the rear window channel the one the glass sits in? Mine > > is chewed up pretty bad. > >Thanks Terry > > > >where are you? I have a couple laying around that might be >better then yours... if you're up in Seattle be happy to swap the >chewed up one for one less mangled.... I only use it to reset the >GFI breaker in my carport. :) (I'm too short to reach it). ;) > >john - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 10:24:18 -0700 From: john Subject: RE: fsj: chewed up rear channel... actually, no. it's wired correctly. the problem is the fluorescent lights, they produce a spike from their ballast when turned off that triggers the GFI. I have several plugged in and it doesn't do it every time. The inductive properties of the ballast when it discharges is the problem. If you want next time you're out we'll plug in my electrical tester and I'll show you what I mean. :) A GFI out in my shop is unnecessary anyway... at least now that I have a concrete floor... before when it was mud and water I was a bit more nervous about using electrical stuff out there. :) john At 07:50 AM 5/23/2003 -0700, Jim B wrote: >A: The lights are tripping it because you have the power wires reversed and >the neutral feedback is causing it to kick out. (should've seen the look on >the face of the wiring inspector when he checked my house after I did a minor >rewire for my addition and updated most of my outlets. I had 2 different >circuits in the room that were phased correctly. He said most people will tap >into power from the next room, and run another lead in from the breaker box, >and end up with 2 appliances next to each other with a 220V potential, like >fridge and stove, and people get QUITE the zap if they touch both at once!) > >From: john >Subject: RE: fsj: chewed up rear channel... > >At 12:53 PM 5/22/2003 -0400, James Isennock wrote: > >The National Electric Code prohibits the operating mechanism for your GFI > >breaker (or any electrical device) from being higher than 6'6" off the > >floor. You must be one altitudanially challenged (PC for short) fellow. > >Jay Isennock > >you got that right... there ain't nothing in my carport that tall... ;) >the two meter cabinet I have rolling around in there just barely clears... >besides this is a "temporary" structure... ;) and I'm thinking of >taking the GFI out anyway, don't need it, and the florescent lights >always trip it when I turn them off... :) > >I need to come up with a better carport/shop setup... > >john - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 10:25:56 -0700 From: john Subject: RE: fsj: chewed up rear channel... :) ok, so I'm not the runt I make myself out to be. :) but I am shorter then Jim... 5'7" is pretty much "normal"... I learn this every time I go to buy clothes or shoes... my size is always out... :) Even at 5'7" I still need to extend my J10 cab (mlc). ;) john At 07:45 AM 5/23/2003 -0700, Jim B wrote: >A: I think the flood down the hill because of the contractor work above John >lowered the floor a little! (Besides, John's not that short. I still get >glare if I try to look over his head when he's not wearing a hat on sunny >days!) > >From: James Isennock >Subject: RE: fsj: chewed up rear channel... > >The National Electric Code prohibits the operating mechanism for your GFI >breaker (or any electrical device) from being higher than 6'6" off the >floor. You must be one altitudanially challenged (PC for short) fellow. > >Jay Isennock - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 11:11:21 -0700 From: john Subject: fsj: Re: Vigilante exhaust manifold I'd soak the bolts with a penetrating oil or brake fluid first... then I'd try to remove them... if they give you any trouble at all you could try using a propane torch to heat them up and try again... (be careful of the oil/fluid you just sprayed on... it's flammable. ;) If they do break out you'll need to use an ez-out to remove them from the block. john At 08:19 AM 5/23/2003 -0700, Darcy Jabs wrote: >Hi John: >I have 66 Gladiator with 327 Vigilante, 4spd 4wd. > >It has a cracked exhaust manifold, and some dummy tried >to braze it and made a terrible mess. I would like to replace >manifold, it's held on with bolts, not studs. I have heard many >horror stories about guys busting those bolts, so I am quite >paranoid to try it. > >What procedure should I use to get those bolts out? > >Thanks: >Darcy - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 11:31:39 -0700 From: john Subject: fsj: RE: Removing Odors - and mice infestations topic came up on another list... good info... (also, to eliminate odors the most useful suggestions were: febreeze, and/or also a bag of coffee beans. :) How to clean up mouse infestations, from the CDC: http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/diseases/hanta/hps/noframes/prevent3.htm john - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com from Snohomish, Washington reminding you not to leave life without Jesus. Need a choice of computing tools and operating systems? SEE: http://wagoneers.com/UNIX/options.html ============================================================================= "Microsoft Certified Professionals are to the computing industry what McDonald Certified Food Specialists are to gourmet restaurants." -Michael Bacarella 3/15/2000 (as seen on http://www.slashdot.com/) ============================================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 15:10:14 -0400 From: James Isennock Subject: RE: fsj: chewed up rear channel... Actually, you still need a GFI with the concrete floor. 2003 National Electric Code requires GFI protection for personnel in areas of homes with concrete floors (basement, garage, carport etc.)Concrete conducts electricity quite well in fact. Anytime your working outside, or on concrete with electrical tools you really ought to have a GFI. Jay Isennock, Master Electrician, Electrical Inspector, FSJ Owner - -----Original Message----- From: john [mailto:john-at-wagoneers.com] Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 1:24 PM To: Jim B; local Jeep list Subject: RE: fsj: chewed up rear channel... actually, no. it's wired correctly. the problem is the fluorescent lights, they produce a spike from their ballast when turned off that triggers the GFI. I have several plugged in and it doesn't do it every time. The inductive properties of the ballast when it discharges is the problem. If you want next time you're out we'll plug in my electrical tester and I'll show you what I mean. :) A GFI out in my shop is unnecessary anyway... at least now that I have a concrete floor... before when it was mud and water I was a bit more nervous about using electrical stuff out there. :) john At 07:50 AM 5/23/2003 -0700, Jim B wrote: >A: The lights are tripping it because you have the power wires reversed and >the neutral feedback is causing it to kick out. (should've seen the look on >the face of the wiring inspector when he checked my house after I did a minor >rewire for my addition and updated most of my outlets. I had 2 different >circuits in the room that were phased correctly. He said most people will tap >into power from the next room, and run another lead in from the breaker box, >and end up with 2 appliances next to each other with a 220V potential, like >fridge and stove, and people get QUITE the zap if they touch both at once!) > >From: john >Subject: RE: fsj: chewed up rear channel... > >At 12:53 PM 5/22/2003 -0400, James Isennock wrote: > >The National Electric Code prohibits the operating mechanism for your GFI > >breaker (or any electrical device) from being higher than 6'6" off the > >floor. You must be one altitudanially challenged (PC for short) fellow. > >Jay Isennock > >you got that right... there ain't nothing in my carport that tall... ;) >the two meter cabinet I have rolling around in there just barely clears... >besides this is a "temporary" structure... ;) and I'm thinking of >taking the GFI out anyway, don't need it, and the florescent lights >always trip it when I turn them off... :) > >I need to come up with a better carport/shop setup... > >john - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 13:05:26 -0700 From: john Subject: fsj: new Jeep Tonka page... Been playing around a bit with animated gifs... :) http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Tonkas/gallery.html john - ----------------------------- Oh well, I'm a man, but I can change, if I have to, I guess -Red Green http://www.redgreen.com/ - ------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 15:13:55 -0700 From: "Jim B" Subject: fsj: Re: 66 Gladiator 327 Actually, I'm Jim. John is the -at-wagoneers.com guy. Ask the parts stores for a 3570S starter (I think that's the number I posted) and you will see what I mean. Probably all that is wrong with the old starter is the field winding has a short, or the ground cable (which you didn't mention changing) is corroded inside - ----- Original Message ----- From: Darcy Jabs Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 11:12 AM To: Jim B Subject: Re: 66 Gladiator 327 Hi John: Tnx for your quick reply. No, not timing cuz starter behaves the same way with ignition off. I am 150 miles west of Prince George, That a few light years from Mission, but parts can be shipped here by Loomis Courier. If you can bring a new starter when you go to Mission you can sent it here on Loomis, so let me know. I can't get a rebuild Vigilante starter here, only a NEW one. I'll check on price/availability of Ambassador starter at parts place tomorrow. I don't have any mold on my Jeep, but there is moss growing in the box. ;) Thanks: Darcy john wrote: > Darcy, > > $500 for a new starter sounds a bit high... by an order of > magnitude... You should be able to get a new starter or a rebuilt > from any parts house for that thing for less then $100. I can't > see any reason why an Ambassador starter wouldn't work. Compare > the two and see. I'm cc'ing the list, one of the Canadian refugees > I know works at a parts store down here and goes across the border > from time to time... he'll be in touch... ;) > > There is also the possibility that your timing is a bit too far > advanced on your engine... but more likely it's the starter... I've > found that the Full Size Jeeps eat starters. :) > > How far up in BC are you? There's a few of us near the border > that might be able to smuggle one over for you... ;) I'll be making > a parts/swap run up to Mission, BC probably in early June. > > ttyl, > john > > At 01:24 AM 5/23/2003 -0700, Darcy Jabs wrote: > Darcy Jabs > >I have 66 Gladiator with 327 Vigilante, 4spd 4wd. > >The engine had been rebuilt before I bought it. > > > >The starter has trouble turning the engine, especially when engine is > >hot. > >I rebuilt the starter, there was not much wrong with, I machined > >armature, and put in new bushings and brushes also put in a > >bigger cable from starter to battery. This did not help, still hard to > >turn, > >and when engine is hot starter won't turn it just goes "clicky clicky > >clicky", > >as it has always done. > > > >Is there any way to solve this? > >Would a new starter help? > >They want $500 for a new starter, I read that the Vigilante is the same > >engine as AMC/Rambler Ambassador 327. > >Would the Ambassador starter fit? > >Would the Ambassador starter cost allot less? > >Are there any other starters that would fit? > > > >Thanks: > >Darcy > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ > Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... > jesus, don't leave life without him, please! > ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 22:07:56 EDT From: S19038-at-aol.com Subject: fsj: 90 GW for sale Hello everyone- I have my 90 Grand Wagoneer for sale. Lost the engine about 3 weeks ago; it threw a rod. Have not been able to locate a decent used motor, and the shops here want more than the vehicles worth to rebuild it. I live on the outskirts of Philadelphia, PA. The vehicle is solid; no rust. The only damage is to the right rear quarter which was due to wifey thinking the yellow posts in parking garage are flexible. Transmission and drive train are solid and in good working order. Interior is in good shape. Outside is dark blue in color, interior is tan. I would like to get a thoudand dollars for the vehicle, but will consider a reasonable offer. If anyone is interested, please contact me. Thanks!!! John. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 19:15:59 -0700 From: john Subject: Re: fsj: 90 GW for sale You're welcome... ;) sounds like "old blue"... wish it was closer to me... (yeah,like I need another project... ;) john At 10:07 PM 5/23/2003 -0400, S19038-at-aol.com wrote: >Hello everyone- > >I have my 90 Grand Wagoneer for sale. Lost the engine about 3 weeks ago; it >threw a rod. Have not been able to locate a decent used motor, and the shops >here want more than the vehicles worth to rebuild it. I live on the >outskirts of >Philadelphia, PA. > >The vehicle is solid; no rust. The only damage is to the right rear quarter >which was due to wifey thinking the yellow posts in parking garage are >flexible. Transmission and drive train are solid and in good working >order. Interior >is in good shape. Outside is dark blue in color, interior is tan. > >I would like to get a thoudand dollars for the vehicle, but will consider a >reasonable offer. > >If anyone is interested, please contact me. > >Thanks!!! >John. - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 19:25:51 -0700 From: john Subject: fsj: two TH400s and Quadratracs... and other FSJ stuff I've got two TH400s attached to Quadratracs. They need a good home. My son is planning on enlisting in about 30 days so he won't need them for his rig. Both should be good, however one may have front pump damage from an attempted install. I don't think it was, but it could be. Make me an offer... I will put them on a pallet and ship them where ever... prefer a local pickup... I can deliver them, will go 250 miles in any direction to deliver if you cover my costs. :) Maybe further, but the costs will be more. ;) Also for sale: I have a '78 and a '60's grille for sale. I have a set of steel rims with chrome trim rings, mid-70's. I have a roof rack, or most of it. I have the side glass from a 2dr Cherokee. I have a manual rear window crank setup (not sure if I have the crank, will look). I have a gas tank from a '77 Cherokee and an '85 GW. I have the rear bumper from a '78 J20, but believe it or not, just bent the brackets... arggghhh... I have a set of 235/75 r 15 studded snow tires on steel rims under the house... I will have a set of 4 white spoke six lug rims for sale as well. I have most of the headliner from a '77 cherokee. I've got one or two steering columns... Someone come and make me an offer on this stuff... I'll put the shippable stuff on ebay... please, save these FSJ parts... :) Pallet shipments ok, if you can pay... ;) john meister snohomish, washington 98296 (that's up in the northwest, opposite corner of the country where there are alligators, straight across the country from where the salt the roads... and where they elected hillary... ;) - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 09:32:01 -0700 From: john Subject: fsj: Re: looks like I'm in the group welcome aboard Darcy! :) john At 04:42 AM 5/24/2003 -0700, Darcy Jabs wrote: >Subject: > Maj ordomo results: (no subject) > Date: > Sat, 24 May 2003 11:37:54 +0000 > From: > Majo rdomo - digest.net > To: > binky - futurenet.bc.ca >- > > >>>> Confir mation for "s ub scribe fsj binky -futurenet.bc.ca": > S ucceeded. - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #1935 **************************