From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Mon Jun 16 08:55:30 2003 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Monday, June 16 2003 Volume 01 : Number 1951 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: fsj: administrivia: notes on using this list fsj: Re: Just Empty Every Pocket! Re: Re: fsj: gas leak Re: Re: fsj: gas leak fsj: Father's Day 2003 fsj: Re: Jeep help FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 06:15:00 +0000 From: Richard Welty Subject: fsj: administrivia: notes on using this list Digest.Net mailing list "Meta FAQ" These general notes on using Digest.Net mailing lists are posted on the 1st and 15th of each month. This file may be found on the web at http://www.digest.net/general-notes.txt [last revised 5/1/02; removed list of spam strings, as i'm not the only one filtering on them -- rpw] Additional information on Digest.Net's spam policies may be found at http://www.digest.net/email-policy.html and http://www.digest.net/blocked.html Table of Contents 1. Why don't my postings go through? 2. Why can't I unsubscribe? 3. How do I post to the list? 4. Where are the archives? 5. What other lists are on digest.net? 6. Is there a web subscription form? 7. Why not move the lists to someplace like (egroups, topica,...)? 8. How do I contact the server adminstrator in an emergency? 9. What is Krusty Motorsports, anyway? The Meta-FAQ 1. Why don't my postings go through? There are several things that may interfere with postings making it to the list. a) Are you a member? Some read the ftp archives rather than receiving the list in email. Persons who read the list via email are automatically members, but readers of the FTP archive are not, and need to contact me (rwelty-at-krusty-motorsports.com) and get your name added to the list of "permitted senders". b) has your email address changed? some of you have had changes in your email address. your old address still works, and is still on the list, but your From: line shows a new address. this can happen for various reasons; you may have changed jobs or ISPs, and left a forward in place, or your IT staff may have fiddled with the email system. you will need to unsubscribe your old email address and subscribe the new one. this may require my involvement, if you can't figure out a way to get your old address off the list using the conventional majordomo commands. you can use the majordomo "which" command to probe for old addresses. send a message to majordomo-at-digest.net with one or more which commands in the body, one per line. to check for potential addresses for Fred Flinstone, formerly of bedrock.org, the following commands can be sent: which flintstone which bedrock note that the matches above might return any of the following addresses, if they appear in the list (in other words, you can use vagueness and incompleteness in your recollection as a tool): Fred.Flinstone-at-bedrock.org fflinstone-at-wilma.bedrock.org flintstonef-at-bedrock.com c) do you have more than one email address? if so, only the subscribed addresses can post, unless you contact me (see 1.a) above for relevant information) d) are you using (intentionally or accidentially) special "features" of your mail client? [this section is no longer operative, as the demime software now strips html, attachments, rich text format, etc. from postings automatically.] e) are your posts too large? there is a 10,000 character limit on posting sizes; this is done for various reasons. you can always split up large postings to get mail through. f) are you including majordomo commands at the start of your message? administrivia control is turned on; this is a trap for things like "unsubscribe" at the start of a message. try to avoid obvious majordomo commands in the subject and the first 10 lines, or misspell them in obvious ways (e.g. unzubscribe, 1ndex, h3lp, g3t, etc.) g) are you triggering spam traps? some things are red flags; for example, many phrases found commonly in spam are automatically blocked. h) are you using "funky" character sets? [7 bit restriction lifted experimentally on 8/2/00 -- film at 11] unfortunately, there are "issues" if i permit any character set other than old fashioned 7 level ASCII; therefore, you need to avoid national character sets that include various accents, umlauts, national currency characters such as the British pound symbol, etc. i) are you unintentionally including complete digests in your reply? You need to check and make sure you cut down replys to the minimal size; digests are between 20,000 and 25,000 characters in length, and if you include a complete digest in your reply, it clearly won't make the 10,000 character limit. By the way, this feature is intentional. j) Are you using a "bad" ISP or mail relay? See http://www.digest.net/email-policy.html for more information about Digest.Net policies about email. k) Is the error message you get back "User Unknown"? If so, you may be running afoul of spam control severices (again, see http://www.digest.net/email-policy.html) When these services register a hit, the error code 550 is returned. 550 is a generic code that many broken mail systems report as "user unknown". The "rejectlog" entries for the previous day's mail traffic on digest.net may be viewed at http://www.digest.net/rejectlog.01 Some of you may find it useful or instructive to use the telnet program to connect directly to port 25 on krusty-motorsports.com and see what kind of reply you get; this requires some technical knowledge and is not for everyone (you can get out of this at anytime after the initial banner simply by typing quit and hitting enter.) l) Is SMTP over TLS involved? This is a bit esoteric, but as of 8/8/01 the digest.net mail server will attempt to use "TLS" (Transport Layer Security) for outbound mail if the destination mail server offers it. SMTP over TLS is fairly new technology, and a bit buggy. I am monitoring the logs on the server, and when I see TLS related problems, I manually place the problem destinations on a special exception list; however, this may delay email to the destination host until I make the exception. 2. Why can't I unsubscribe? a) are you using the right address? send to majordomo-at-digest.net, and the command format is unsubscribe list-name my-email-address b) has your email address changed? majordomo has no way of knowing that Fred.Flinstone-at-BarneyCo.com was once fflintstone-at-bedrock.org. you can check this with the which command (see 1.b) above for details) 3. How do I post to the list? You may use either one of two addresses: for example, the bmw-digest may be reached using either bmw-at-digest.net or bmw-digest-at-digest.net If you are using the correct addresses and your posts don't show up, check out the stuff in 1. above. 4. Where are the archives? see ftp://ftp.digest.net/ for digest archives. the web archives have proven problematic, and are awaiting time for a systematic attack on the problems they've been having. 5. What other lists are on digest.net? see http://www.digest.net/ for more information. 6. Is there a web subscription form? Yes, recently added. go to http://www.digest.net/bin/digest-subs.cgi 7. Why not move the lists to someplace like (egroups, topica,...)? The Krusty Motorsports server (aka, digest.net) was explicitly to provide for efficient management of the various automotive mailing lists, done the way that the owner of the server wanted it done. Any migration off of the server (which is already bought, paid for, and configured) would create any number of issues. 8. How do i contact the Server Administrator in an emergency? If my regular email address (rwelty-at-krusty-motorsports.com) isn't working for you, you can fall back on rwelty-at-suespammers.org 9. What is Krusty Motorsports, anyway? Krusty Motorsports (http:/www.krusty-motorsports.com/) is a business which is owned and operated by Richard Welty (rwelty-at-krusty-motorsports.com). Krusty is an S-Corporation in the State of New York. Krusty provides a number of Internet related services, such as mailing list, web sites, pop3/telnet accounts, and consulting on internet related issues. For more information, see the web site. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 23:39:20 -0700 From: "Jim B" Subject: fsj: Re: Just Empty Every Pocket! A: It's not just at the parts supply level either. I'm quitting my job because they don't pay me enough as an experienced counterman to live on (both my wife and I work) and won't give me a raise after working for them 3 years, during which time I have gone from cashier to parts tech to ASE Certified Counterman to Assistant Manager with NO raise and NO show of appreciation for all the work I have done to organize the stores I'm in, or fix the computer cataloging or even the "free" advertising I have done for the company by getting the word out about www.partsamerica.com. What did I get for my efforts? I've had to refinance my house twice in the last 3 years, and we went from $100,000 in equity to -at-$10,000 catching up with bills and I just sold my '88 Mustang to make the mortgage payment this month, plus I'm still $5,000 in hock to my FSJ project. I bounced from store to store and at one point I was working 7 different stores in 3 cities (which I had keys for, alarm codes, and access to close to $100,000 that I could have picked up in one night's visit of them all, not to mention being responsible for over $7 million in merchadise and stores) My reward? Money? Advancement? Recognition? Nope! I get told to wait 30 days and they will "see" if I qualify for a raise, so I filed my 2 weeks notice. I figured "Maybe they will come to their senses and offer me money to stay since it costs so much to train a new person". Instead, they won't even talk to me because for the same amount of money, they will hire 2 guys straight out of school and split my pay between them. They won't know their ass from a hole in the ground, and will probably ask each customer "Do you want fries with that?" until the company loses their entire customer base that requires someone with knowledge behind the counter. (At least anything worthwhile. You can ask "Chad" anything about washing your car, but watch his eyes glaze over when you try to discuss anything related to getting remotely close to greasy!) I've decided to go back to wrenching, and it's going to be tough at first because of the "8 months maternity" look I currently have (because I dealt with my job stress by eating and my thyroid is messed up), but I can't keep losing every damn thing I worked for! The house is going up for sale, and I'll live out of a bus again if I have to, just to make ends meet. One of the first things I am doing is making my life simpler by loading all my excess stuff into a cargo truck and hitting the weekend fleamarkets to unload it all over the rest of summer. From: Joe Schaefer Subject: Re: Just Empty Every Pocket! At 09:41 AM 6/14/2003, you wrote: >It's my opinion and experience that NAPA seems to have better parts than >the other stores. You pay a little more but to me it has been worth it. Am >I right on this or have I just been lucky? > ----- Original Message ----- > I agree that Napa is still the best game in town compared to the discount chains but has also gone down in quality in the last 20 years and at an even faster rate the last 10. Guess they're subject to the corporate bottom line syndrome as most US companies where max profit rules. Generally though if you go with their premium brand it's way better than the others stuff. They do have more and more Taiwanese, Mexican built/rebuilt stuff though than they ever had in the past. I'm not knocking the Taiwanese or the Mexicans, it's not their fault. They are capable people but they only build to the quality/cost standards the US companies set. Our companies want cheap not quality so that's what they get and in turn it's what we the user ends up with. :( - -- Regards, joe schaefer nordland, wa usa Jim Blair, Seattle, WA '84 J10 Black Jack, '86 Comanche 4x4 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 02:33:53 -0400 From: "tom king" Subject: Re: Re: fsj: gas leak Bingo Jim. Filler hoses going into the tank were VERY loose. I was able to push them up the tank neck a good 1.5" and retighten. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim B To: Tom & Lisa King Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 11:29 AM Subject: Re: Re: fsj: gas leak If it's the fill hoses, then it leaks till fuel is below the neck of the tank. It won't be the hoses going forward, since you saw no evidence of leak under the door in the floor. ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom & Lisa King Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 5:17 AM To: Jim B Subject: Re: Re: fsj: gas leak So you think the fuel filler hoses may be leaking or the rubber hoses that connect to the metal fuel line? Why would it only do that when the tank is full? Thanks for your help. Tom > > From: "Jim B" > Date: 2003/06/13 Fri AM 01:50:44 EDT > To: "local Jeep list" > Subject: Re: fsj: gas leak > > A: Sounds like you're one of us poor folk that live in an area where MTBE was > force fed to our fuel, and your hoses (fill or even the one going forward) are > turning into piccolos! > > From: Tom & Lisa King > Subject: fsj: gas leak > > Hello all, > > Got an interesting gas tank leak on my 86 wag. I have noticed for some time > that when my gas tank is full I have a gas smell. Stronger if I park on a > slope. Last night I filled the tank up and drove home. Parked on a hill with > the front facing DOWN hill. > > This morning the smell was very strong. Started the truck up and moved it to > level ground. At that point gas began dripping out of the tank splash pan > toward the front. after the splash pan emptied no more gas leak. > > It appears that the tank leaked over night and the gas collected in the front > of splash pan. When the truck moved to level ground the gas ran out. > > Question is ... where is the gas coming from. Anything at the front of the > tank that could leak. Removed the sending unit access panel .. no leak > there. > > Thank Tom in Orlando ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 13:22:39 -0700 From: john Subject: Re: Re: fsj: gas leak you might consider replacing the rubber lines... they get soft, or brittle, with age and could lead to a massive problem... the other thing you want to do about once a year with an FSJ is replace all the rubber vacuum lines... the heat really degrades them... also tighten your exhaust and intake manifold bolts... just snug 'em up carefully... :) john At 02:33 AM 6/15/2003 -0400, tom king wrote: >Bingo Jim. Filler hoses going into the tank were VERY loose. I was able to >push them up the tank neck a good 1.5" and retighten. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jim B > To: Tom & Lisa King > Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 11:29 AM > Subject: Re: Re: fsj: gas leak > > > If it's the fill hoses, then it leaks till fuel is below the neck of the >tank. It won't be the hoses going forward, since you saw no evidence of leak >under the door in the floor. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Tom & Lisa King > Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 5:17 AM > To: Jim B > Subject: Re: Re: fsj: gas leak > > So you think the fuel filler hoses may be leaking or the rubber hoses > that >connect to the metal fuel line? > > Why would it only do that when the tank is full? > > Thanks for your help. > > Tom > > > > From: "Jim B" > > Date: 2003/06/13 Fri AM 01:50:44 EDT > > To: "local Jeep list" > > Subject: Re: fsj: gas leak > > > > A: Sounds like you're one of us poor folk that live in an area where >MTBE was > > force fed to our fuel, and your hoses (fill or even the one going >forward) are > > turning into piccolos! > > > > From: Tom & Lisa King > > Subject: fsj: gas leak > > > > Hello all, > > > > Got an interesting gas tank leak on my 86 wag. I have noticed for some >time > > that when my gas tank is full I have a gas smell. Stronger if I > park on >a > > slope. Last night I filled the tank up and drove home. Parked on a >hill with > > the front facing DOWN hill. > > > > This morning the smell was very strong. Started the truck up and moved >it to > > level ground. At that point gas began dripping out of the tank splash >pan > > toward the front. after the splash pan emptied no more gas leak. > > > > It appears that the tank leaked over night and the gas collected in the >front > > of splash pan. When the truck moved to level ground the gas ran out. > > > > Question is ... where is the gas coming from. Anything at the front of >the > > tank that could leak. Removed the sending unit access panel .. no leak > > there. > > > > Thank Tom in Orlando - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... Jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 20:42:20 -0700 From: john Subject: fsj: Father's Day 2003 I came into church this morning and noticed my wife and daughter sitting in the usual area... but also noticed a balloon flying over their location... :) When I got to my chair I found this present: http://wagoneers.com/tmp/FathersDay2003/fathers-day-2003.jpg Is that cool, or what? :) I took a few more pictures: http://wagoneers.com/tmp/FathersDay2003 In case you couldn't figure it out, the round part was duct tape, and the square part was a book called "the jumbo Duct Tape book". :) My daughter, who dreamt up this incredible gift (and the wrapping), just graduated from the University of Washington this week too. :) I love my kids. They really know how to buy presents... ;) Red Green, eat your heart out... :) later, john - ----------------------------- Oh well, I'm a man, but I can change, if I have to, I guess -Red Green http://www.redgreen.com/ - ------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... Jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 08:50:07 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: fsj: Re: Jeep help forwarding to the FSJ list john On Mon, 16 Jun 2003, Ted Axelrod wrote: >-->I saw your site and love your jeep. >--> >-->I am not an off roader / and not very mechanical so this may seem like a >-->silly question. I own a 1991 Grand Wagoneer. I am trying to locate a >-->diagram of the engine and all other 3things under the hood2. Most >-->reservoirs, and fill caps are marked, but I can not find one marked for >-->power steering fluid, and know I need to fill it. Also I would like to have >-->a better sense of what is what so I can start doing some of my own repairs. >-->I am good at remodeling a house, but don9t know where to start with my >-->truck. Any help would be greatly appreciated. >--> >-->Thank you, >--> >-->Ted >-->-- >-->Ted Axelrod >-->http://www.axelrodphotography.com >-->ted-at-axelrodphotography.com >-->212 244 6810 >-->973 744 8780 >-->973 768 5727 Cell >--> >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** john-at-wagoneers.com via PINE on Linux ** (plain text please!) ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. ...and remember, leaving life without Jesus just isn't recommended... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #1951 **************************