From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Mon Jul 14 08:17:26 2003 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Sunday, July 13 2003 Volume 01 : Number 1973 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: fsj: Filler hose needed Re: fsj: Filler hose needed Re: fsj: Re: Re: Fw: GoodYear MTR review Re: fsj: Re: Re: Fw: GoodYear MTR review fsj: the fender adventures Re: fsj: Re: Re: Fw: GoodYear MTR review FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 05:58:36 -0700 From: "Jim B" Subject: Re: fsj: Filler hose needed A: For the '76 J20 I had (same centered hose system as the '73 J4000 I have now) I went to the plumbing store and got some 90 degree fittings and a piece of 1 end threaded pipe that slid inside the OEM hose, then went to B&B autoparts (only a few of the Schucks still carry it, or even know what it is!) and got a piece of the correct ID hose and used that for the joints with hose clamps. I had to retighten them once, but that was for converting the '84 J10 tank I had to replace the leaky '76 J20 tank that was also in the way of the centered driveshaft. I don't know who made the plastic tank in my '73, but it wasn't mounted correctly, so i still need to deal with that (and the threaded fitting that was pulled out of the back of it) From: "allyoop" Subject: fsj: Filler hose needed Folks, I'm in need of a replacement gas filler hose for my '73 J-4000. It's an S-shaped rubber tube about 2 1/2 inches inside diameter and maybe a foot long, that runs down from the filler cap and connects to a steel tube that runs back to the tank itself. Anybody able to help? Walt Greenwood Everett, WA ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 06:02:34 -0700 From: "Jim B" Subject: Re: fsj: Filler hose needed A: THat is another way of doing it (There's a Buckys near Walt probably. If not, a trip to Renton to the muffler shop across from the Renton airfield will get you fixed up unless they are busy.) From: Kevin Pekarek Subject: Re: fsj: Filler hose needed On Fri, Jul 11, 2003 at 07:25:38AM -0700, allyoop wrote: > I'm in need of a replacement gas filler hose for my '73 J-4000. It's an > S-shaped rubber tube about 2 1/2 inches inside diameter and maybe a foot > long, that runs down from the filler cap and connects to a steel tube that > runs back to the tank itself. Just had to do this for the 74. You aren't going to find that hose. Take your old one down to a muffler shop (and I don't mean midas - you need one where they actually bend tubes), and have them duplicate the hose bends with exhaust pipe that has the same OD as your filler hose's ID. Once you have the bent pipe, go to napa (or somewhere like that) and buy about a half foot of straight fuel filler hose, cut that in half, and use each half to attach the muffler shop pipe to the metal lines currently in the truck. I think I originally got this suggestion from Jim Blair. Good luck. K - - -- Kevin Pekarek ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 08:00:38 -0700 From: john Subject: Re: fsj: Re: Re: Fw: GoodYear MTR review I gave up on Good Year years ago after several Wranglers and Eagles... haven't tried a set since the early '90's... but I've seen how the goodyears don't last on newer jeeps... my '99 WJ had Yokohamas on it by the time I got it with 30k on the clock! And they were worn down a bit too... ;) replaced 'em with Michelin. john At 12:01 AM 7/12/2003 -0700, Mike - G wrote: >Really? Is the MT/R's? I heard they do wear faster then the BFG M/T's. > >Mine have lasted a lot longer then that, maybe even twice that, I'd have >to think about the last two vehicles mileage when I bought them, and >they are more then 1/4 tread. > >---- >mike-g-at-mike-g.net . http://www.mike-g.net/ >W6MKE >boom.boom.beep.beep >5.5" lift, 32" tires, 4.56's, gears, detroit locked 8.8 >----- Original Message ----- >From: john >To: George Milam ; Jim B >Cc: >Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 7:13 AM >Subject: Re: fsj: Re: Re: Fw: GoodYear MTR review > > > > depends on your driving style... even with mild driving > > mine only lasted about 20,000 to 30,000 miles... :( > > > > john > > > > At 08:58 AM 7/11/2003 -0400, George Milam wrote: > > >How long should a good mud tire like my GoodYear MTR's last me if I >use them > > >for my everyday driving? > > > > > >George > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "john" > > >To: "Jim B" > > >Cc: > > >Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2003 11:37 PM > > >Subject: fsj: Re: Fw: GoodYear MTR review > > > > > > > > > > we'll see how long they last George... biggest > > > > beef I've had with ANY Goodyear is life... I've > > > > done a lot of GY over the years and they all wear > > > > out way too fast... BFG's of various types have > > > > always held up for a long time... > > > > > > > > john > > > > > > > > At 07:41 PM 7/10/2003 -0700, Jim B wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > > >From: George B. Milam, IV > > > > >Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2003 7:23 PM > > > > >To: Jim B > > > > >Subject: GoodYear MTR review > > > > > > > > > >I've been towing with GoodYear MTR's at full pressure on my '89 >Wag. > > >Best > > > > >tires I've ever run. They're spendy but they are about a 5 or 6 >ply tire > > > > >and they kick ^$$. The lugs are thick and they do hummm a bit on >the > > > > >pavement but damn do they bite and dig in off road. > > > > > > > > > >I've been doing alot of varried terrain off roadin' lately. I >was at > > >about > > > > >a 60 ish degree angle on some soft rocky stuff yesterday in 4 lo >and it > > >was > > > > >like butter. You feel them slip and then they grab and it's >adios from > > > > >there. I've only had to air down in the really soft silty dusty >stuff to > > > > >get good traction going up steep hills. The side biting lugs >really make > > >a > > > > >huge difference over the BFG's I had. > > > > > > > > > >Oh, and I forgot to mention, they look really cool and I've even >seen a > > >few > > > > >heads turn to look at the tires as folks walk by her when she's >parked. > > > > > > > > > >Love 'em and would highly recomend them. > > > > > > > > > >IS ANY BODY ELSE RUNNING THESE? > > > > > > > > > >George > > > > >'89 Wag "Moose > > > > >VT > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > > >From: "Jim B" > > > > >To: "local Jeep list" > > > > >Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2003 9:57 PM > > > > >Subject: Re: fsj: Towing with Jeeps and swaying > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A: Check the frame rail just ahead of the driver's side rear >tire for > > > > >rust! Do > > > > > > you have a full frame hitch? That makes a big difference along >with > > >tire > > > > > > pressure. I used air shocks in my '83 Cherokee when towing. If >they > > >were > > > > >low, > > > > > > it swayed like crazy (it did when I had a loose wheel bearing >as well) > > > > >Pumped > > > > > > up, I hauled my 5 ton trailer at 55 mph no problem. > > > > > > > > > > > > From: "Stephen D. Thompson" > > > > > > Subject: Re: fsj: Towing with Jeeps and swaying > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have just started towing my 17.5 foot outboard ski boat with >my 83 > > >full > > > > > > size cherokee (the Silver Bullet :-)). We have been having >high > > >winds, > > > > >even > > > > > > for here in the Idaho mountains, this summer. I towed the >same boat > > >on > > > > >the > > > > > > same trailer behind my 90 4Runner before getting the FSJ. I >did not > > > > > > experience much swaying with the 4Runner (once in a while with >hard > > > > >braking > > > > > > coming down twisty and steep Galena pass) . However, on the >flat with > > >the > > > > > > Silver Bullet, I have experienced some scary swaying, >seemingly > > >related to > > > > > > wind. What are some steps I can take to reduce it? Can I add >a leaf > > >or > > > > >two > > > > > > on the rear springs? (Visually, the rear sags just a little >with the > > > > > > trailer on. It did with the 4Runner too). Does tongue weight >make a > > > > > > difference? Can I somehow adjust the tongue weight? It is a >single > > >axle > > > > > > "Shoreliner" trailer with a 17.5 Sea Swirl with a 120 Johnson >bought > > >in > > > > >Kent > > > > > > in 1988. > > > > > > > > > > > > This topic is timely as a friend of mine just passed away >after the > > >large > > > > > > model year 200 Ford F250 or 350 crew cab with a loaded Wells >Cargo > > >type > > > > > > trailer swayed and tangled with a dump truck after attempting >to pass > > >in a > > > > > > windy area. Thanks in advance for the comments. > > > > > > > > > > > > Steve > > > > > > - -- > > > > > > > > > > > > Steve Thompson > > > > > > P.O. Box 1707 > > > > > > Ketchum, Idaho 83340 > > > > > > Phone: (208)726-4518 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ > > > > Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... > > > > Jesus, don't leave life without him, please! > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ > > Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... > > Jesus, don't leave life without him, please! > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... Jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 15:42:30 -0400 From: Mike Polkki Subject: Re: fsj: Re: Re: Fw: GoodYear MTR review The Only goodyear tires I like are workhorses. They seem to be the opposite of any other good year tire because they have the longest lift of any tire I have tried. I've had wranglers that only lasted half as long as a set of workhorses. mike john-at-wagoneers.com wrote: > I gave up on Good Year years ago after several Wranglers and Eagles... > > haven't tried a set since the early '90's... but I've seen how > the goodyears don't last on newer jeeps... my '99 WJ had Yokohamas on > it by the time I got it with 30k on the clock! And they were worn > down a bit too... ;) replaced 'em with Michelin. > > john > > At 12:01 AM 7/12/2003 -0700, Mike - G wrote: > >> Really? Is the MT/R's? I heard they do wear faster then the BFG M/T's. >> >> Mine have lasted a lot longer then that, maybe even twice that, I'd have >> to think about the last two vehicles mileage when I bought them, and >> they are more then 1/4 tread. >> >> ---- >> mike-g-at-mike-g.net . http://www.mike-g.net/ >> W6MKE >> boom.boom.beep.beep >> 5.5" lift, 32" tires, 4.56's, gears, detroit locked 8.8 >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: john >> To: George Milam ; Jim B >> Cc: >> Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 7:13 AM >> Subject: Re: fsj: Re: Re: Fw: GoodYear MTR review >> >> >> > depends on your driving style... even with mild driving >> > mine only lasted about 20,000 to 30,000 miles... :( >> > >> > john >> > >> > At 08:58 AM 7/11/2003 -0400, George Milam wrote: >> > >How long should a good mud tire like my GoodYear MTR's last me if I >> use them >> > >for my everyday driving? >> > > >> > >George >> > >----- Original Message ----- >> > >From: "john" >> > >To: "Jim B" >> > >Cc: >> > >Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2003 11:37 PM >> > >Subject: fsj: Re: Fw: GoodYear MTR review >> > > >> > > >> > > > we'll see how long they last George... biggest >> > > > beef I've had with ANY Goodyear is life... I've >> > > > done a lot of GY over the years and they all wear >> > > > out way too fast... BFG's of various types have >> > > > always held up for a long time... >> > > > >> > > > john >> > > > >> > > > At 07:41 PM 7/10/2003 -0700, Jim B wrote: >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >----- Original Message ----- >> > > > >From: George B. Milam, IV >> > > > >Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2003 7:23 PM >> > > > >To: Jim B >> > > > >Subject: GoodYear MTR review >> > > > > >> > > > >I've been towing with GoodYear MTR's at full pressure on my '89 >> Wag. >> > >Best >> > > > >tires I've ever run. They're spendy but they are about a 5 or 6 >> ply tire >> > > > >and they kick ^$$. The lugs are thick and they do hummm a bit on >> the >> > > > >pavement but damn do they bite and dig in off road. >> > > > > >> > > > >I've been doing alot of varried terrain off roadin' lately. I >> was at >> > >about >> > > > >a 60 ish degree angle on some soft rocky stuff yesterday in 4 lo >> and it >> > >was >> > > > >like butter. You feel them slip and then they grab and it's >> adios from >> > > > >there. I've only had to air down in the really soft silty dusty >> stuff to >> > > > >get good traction going up steep hills. The side biting lugs >> really make >> > >a >> > > > >huge difference over the BFG's I had. >> > > > > >> > > > >Oh, and I forgot to mention, they look really cool and I've even >> seen a >> > >few >> > > > >heads turn to look at the tires as folks walk by her when she's >> parked. >> > > > > >> > > > >Love 'em and would highly recomend them. >> > > > > >> > > > >IS ANY BODY ELSE RUNNING THESE? >> > > > > >> > > > >George >> > > > >'89 Wag "Moose >> > > > >VT >> > > > >----- Original Message ----- >> > > > >From: "Jim B" >> > > > >To: "local Jeep list" >> > > > >Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2003 9:57 PM >> > > > >Subject: Re: fsj: Towing with Jeeps and swaying >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > A: Check the frame rail just ahead of the driver's side rear >> tire for >> > > > >rust! Do >> > > > > > you have a full frame hitch? That makes a big difference along >> with >> > >tire >> > > > > > pressure. I used air shocks in my '83 Cherokee when towing. If >> they >> > >were >> > > > >low, >> > > > > > it swayed like crazy (it did when I had a loose wheel bearing >> as well) >> > > > >Pumped >> > > > > > up, I hauled my 5 ton trailer at 55 mph no problem. >> > > > > > >> > > > > > From: "Stephen D. Thompson" >> > > > > > Subject: Re: fsj: Towing with Jeeps and swaying >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > I have just started towing my 17.5 foot outboard ski boat with >> my 83 >> > >full >> > > > > > size cherokee (the Silver Bullet :-)). We have been having >> high >> > >winds, >> > > > >even >> > > > > > for here in the Idaho mountains, this summer. I towed the >> same boat >> > >on >> > > > >the >> > > > > > same trailer behind my 90 4Runner before getting the FSJ. I >> did not >> > > > > > experience much swaying with the 4Runner (once in a while with >> hard >> > > > >braking >> > > > > > coming down twisty and steep Galena pass) . However, on the >> flat with >> > >the >> > > > > > Silver Bullet, I have experienced some scary swaying, >> seemingly >> > >related to >> > > > > > wind. What are some steps I can take to reduce it? Can I add >> a leaf >> > >or >> > > > >two >> > > > > > on the rear springs? (Visually, the rear sags just a little >> with the >> > > > > > trailer on. It did with the 4Runner too). Does tongue weight >> make a >> > > > > > difference? Can I somehow adjust the tongue weight? It is a >> single >> > >axle >> > > > > > "Shoreliner" trailer with a 17.5 Sea Swirl with a 120 Johnson >> bought >> > >in >> > > > >Kent >> > > > > > in 1988. >> > > > > > >> > > > > > This topic is timely as a friend of mine just passed away >> after the >> > >large >> > > > > > model year 200 Ford F250 or 350 crew cab with a loaded Wells >> Cargo >> > >type >> > > > > > trailer swayed and tangled with a dump truck after attempting >> to pass >> > >in a >> > > > > > windy area. Thanks in advance for the comments. >> > > > > > >> > > > > > Steve >> > > > > > - -- >> > > > > > >> > > > > > Steve Thompson >> > > > > > P.O. Box 1707 >> > > > > > Ketchum, Idaho 83340 >> > > > > > Phone: (208)726-4518 >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ >> > > > http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ >> > > > Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... >> > > > Jesus, don't leave life without him, please! >> > > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------ >> > http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ >> > Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... >> > Jesus, don't leave life without him, please! >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ > Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... > Jesus, don't leave life without him, please! > ------------------------------------------------------------------- - -- Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop-at-Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 20:33:18 -0700 From: john Subject: fsj: the fender adventures just got back from BC with the fenders for superdawg... but what's really amazing is the '87 XJ got over 21 mpg!!!! and that was with a pair of J10 stepside fenders tied down to the roof! (stock 3.55's with 31x10.5 michelins, aw4/4.0L doing the legal limits) (and yes the speedo/odo is correct, verifed with GPS and the interest 5 mile odo test) the '87 xj turned 244,444.4 miles on the trip too. :) Still working out what the costs of the fenders for the J10 stepsides will be, looks like somewhere around $800 for a pair. Haven't heard a lot of folks asking for them, but they turned out real nice. lighter then stock, but sturdier! email me if you're interested, I have the only known set of molds for them. :) FWIW, the box is available from WillysOverland in Toledo, the price is around $1995, slightly less unassembled... so for around $3,000 you can turn your J10 into a stepside! (119" wb only). later, john - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... Jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 11:04:05 -0700 From: Kevin Pekarek Subject: Re: fsj: Re: Re: Fw: GoodYear MTR review On Sat, Jul 12, 2003 at 03:42:30PM -0400, Mike Polkki wrote: > The Only goodyear tires I like are workhorses. They seem to be the > opposite of any other good year tire because they have the longest lift > of any tire I have tried. I've had wranglers that only lasted half as > long as a set of workhorses. Funny you mention the workhorses, I run those on the 77 cherokee. It came with them when I bought the truck, and have yet to wear them out. They are really tough tires, and really aren't bad in mud for a highway tire. They do pretty well in snow, but quadratrac saved my bacon on ice ;) I want to try a set of workhorse extra grips one of these days, but fortunately I don't have to buy truck tires for a while. K - -- Kevin Pekarek Redwood City, CA (near San Francisco) and Los Osos, CA (near San Luis Obispo) 74 Cherokee 2 door (258 1bbl, T15, D20, open 3.54 d44's) 77 Cherokee 4 door S (401 4bbl, TH400, BW QT, open 3.54 d44's) ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #1973 **************************