From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Wed Jul 30 13:38:07 2003 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Wednesday, July 30 2003 Volume 01 : Number 1982 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: fsj: J-10 role in shootout fsj: Re: why a 228 ? RE: fsj: RE: J-10 role in shootout RE: fsj: RE: J-10 role in shootout RE: fsj: why a 228 ? RE: fsj: why a 228 ? fsj: Motorcraft 4100 and OEM 360 EGR intake $75 fsj: Correction! Motorcraft 4300 and OEM 360 EGR intake $75 fsj: xfer case: converting 229 into 228 ? fsj: Mattress Springs Under Wagoneer Re: fsj: xfer case: converting 229 into 228 ? Re: fsj: Mattress Springs Under Wagoneer FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. 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And we get to the >scene where the last guy standing leaves his Chevy sedan and tries to steal >some passing driver's pickup truck. > >I'd watched this scene before, but for some reason this time as the robber >is blasting away at the cops I focus on the rear fenders of the pickup and >through the muzzle smoke I notice the unmistakable fender flares of the >classic FSJ pickup. The smoke kind of obscured the cab (the guy was >shooting through the cab at a nearby cop), but I thought the front fenders >looked like the real thing too. > >So here it is: > >What better endorsement could you ask for the rough-and-tumble readiness of >the FSJ? Surrounded by police, down to his last couple hundred rounds, what >does the desperado choose to hijack for his getaway? The tough as an anvil, >almost bulletproof FSJ pickup! > >Unfortunately I think the truck was pretty well swiss cheezed by the >gunfire. > >Pix and story here: http://www.cnn.com/US/9702/28/shootout.update/ > >Walt Greenwood >Everett, WA - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... Jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 22:38:23 -0700 From: "Jim B" Subject: fsj: Re: why a 228 ? A: The 228 has open carrier in it like a non-posi rear end. The NP229 has a viscous coupler (read silicone oil that makes it like a clutch between some plates with holes in them inside a heavy duty plastic bag) which is like a very light duty posi-trac rearend center section (turned sideways. Instead of controlling the 2 wheels in a rear end, it controls the slippage between the front and rear driveshaft) It works fine till there is too much slippage (ie: The front axle vacuum motor disengages on the 'late 82 to early '86 rigs with the pin on the dash switch to keep you from engaging 4x4 easily while driving, because you're not supposed to! ) If there is too much slippage, it overheats and the "bag" that keeps the oil in falls apart and it is temporarily open like the NP228, until the silicone oil destroys all the bearings and seals in the transfercase, and chews up the gears as it is not very lubricating. (It's just slightly better lubricant than liquid sand!) The NP208 is like a Lincoln Locked rear axle. It's solid shaft front and rear with no slippage. On dry, good traction pavement, it winds up like a spring because the front and rear tires turn at different rates of speed on corners, and any difference in wear from front to back or even tire pressure will cause a difference in rotation of the front and rear shafts. (It also feels funny when driving around corners, like it's "hopping") The NP229 was made to alleviate that, but who needs 4 wheel on good surfaces? From: "Faith Jeff" Subject: fsj: why a 228 ? so why is the 228 favored over a 229 xfer case? - - -jeff ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 09:15:01 -0700 From: "Faith Jeff" Subject: RE: fsj: RE: J-10 role in shootout ...my excuse is that i bought my first fsj (63 wag) only a year and a half ago...long after the shootout. :) - -jeff - -----Original Message----- From: john [mailto:john-at-wagoneers.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 9:30 PM To: Faith Jeff; 'allyoop'; Jeep Digest Subject: Re: fsj: RE: J-10 role in shootout where were you guys when that happened? it was talked about at length on the list... ;) john At 03:38 PM 7/29/2003 -0700, Faith Jeff wrote: >i noticed that a couple weeks ago...that botched bank job...the armored and >armed thugs chose a j-truck for the get-away. > >-jeff > >-----Original Message----- >From: allyoop [mailto:allyoop-at-ix.netcom.com] >Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 3:34 PM >To: Jeep Digest >Subject: fsj: J-10 role in shootout > > >I know you guys are too sophisticated to watch such shows as "America's >Greatest Shootouts Caught on Tape," and of course so am I. > >Nevertheless last night the TV was showing that outrageous 1997 Bank of >America robbery in North Hollywood, where the two guys in body armor are out >in the parking lot blasting away with AK-47s on full auto. And we get to the >scene where the last guy standing leaves his Chevy sedan and tries to steal >some passing driver's pickup truck. > >I'd watched this scene before, but for some reason this time as the robber >is blasting away at the cops I focus on the rear fenders of the pickup and >through the muzzle smoke I notice the unmistakable fender flares of the >classic FSJ pickup. The smoke kind of obscured the cab (the guy was >shooting through the cab at a nearby cop), but I thought the front fenders >looked like the real thing too. > >So here it is: > >What better endorsement could you ask for the rough-and-tumble readiness of >the FSJ? Surrounded by police, down to his last couple hundred rounds, what >does the desperado choose to hijack for his getaway? The tough as an anvil, >almost bulletproof FSJ pickup! > >Unfortunately I think the truck was pretty well swiss cheezed by the >gunfire. > >Pix and story here: http://www.cnn.com/US/9702/28/shootout.update/ > >Walt Greenwood >Everett, WA > > >This electronic message transmission, including any attachments, contains >information from Prescription Solutions which may be confidential or >privileged. The information is intended to be for the use of the >individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, >be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents >of this information is prohibited. > >If you have received this electronic transmission in error, please notify >the sender immediately by a "reply to sender only" message and destroy all >electronic and hard copies of the communication, including attachments. - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... Jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- This electronic message transmission, including any attachments, contains information from Prescription Solutions which may be confidential or privileged. The information is intended to be for the use of the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information is prohibited. If you have received this electronic transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately by a "reply to sender only" message and destroy all electronic and hard copies of the communication, including attachments. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 09:27:50 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: RE: fsj: RE: J-10 role in shootout On Wed, 30 Jul 2003, Faith Jeff wrote: >-->...my excuse is that i bought my first fsj (63 wag) only a year and a half >-->ago...long after the shootout. :) works for me. what year was that anyway? Seems to me Joe Sego was still with us when that happened... He had a J10 in Indy... he passed away unexpectedly... john >--> >-->-jeff >--> >--> >-->-----Original Message----- >-->From: john [mailto:john-at-wagoneers.com] >-->Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 9:30 PM >-->To: Faith Jeff; 'allyoop'; Jeep Digest >-->Subject: Re: fsj: RE: J-10 role in shootout >--> >--> >-->where were you guys when that happened? it was talked >-->about at length on the list... ;) >--> >-->john >--> >-->At 03:38 PM 7/29/2003 -0700, Faith Jeff wrote: >-->>i noticed that a couple weeks ago...that botched bank job...the armored and >-->>armed thugs chose a j-truck for the get-away. >-->> >-->>-jeff >-->> >-->>-----Original Message----- >-->>From: allyoop [mailto:allyoop-at-ix.netcom.com] >-->>Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 3:34 PM >-->>To: Jeep Digest >-->>Subject: fsj: J-10 role in shootout >-->> >-->> >-->>I know you guys are too sophisticated to watch such shows as "America's >-->>Greatest Shootouts Caught on Tape," and of course so am I. >-->> >-->>Nevertheless last night the TV was showing that outrageous 1997 Bank of >-->>America robbery in North Hollywood, where the two guys in body armor are >-->out >-->>in the parking lot blasting away with AK-47s on full auto. And we get to >-->the >-->>scene where the last guy standing leaves his Chevy sedan and tries to steal >-->>some passing driver's pickup truck. >-->> >-->>I'd watched this scene before, but for some reason this time as the robber >-->>is blasting away at the cops I focus on the rear fenders of the pickup and >-->>through the muzzle smoke I notice the unmistakable fender flares of the >-->>classic FSJ pickup. The smoke kind of obscured the cab (the guy was >-->>shooting through the cab at a nearby cop), but I thought the front fenders >-->>looked like the real thing too. >-->> >-->>So here it is: >-->> >-->>What better endorsement could you ask for the rough-and-tumble readiness of >-->>the FSJ? Surrounded by police, down to his last couple hundred rounds, >-->what >-->>does the desperado choose to hijack for his getaway? The tough as an anvil, >-->>almost bulletproof FSJ pickup! >-->> >-->>Unfortunately I think the truck was pretty well swiss cheezed by the >-->>gunfire. >-->> >-->>Pix and story here: http://www.cnn.com/US/9702/28/shootout.update/ >-->> >-->>Walt Greenwood >-->>Everett, WA >-->> >-->> >-->>This electronic message transmission, including any attachments, contains >-->>information from Prescription Solutions which may be confidential or >-->>privileged. The information is intended to be for the use of the >-->>individual or entity named above. 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May the SOURCE be With GNU - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 09:19:44 -0700 From: "Faith Jeff" Subject: RE: fsj: why a 228 ? mmmm jello... - -----Original Message----- From: john [mailto:john-at-wagoneers.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 9:30 PM To: Faith Jeff; 'fsj-at-digest.net' Subject: RE: fsj: why a 228 ? At 02:12 PM 7/29/2003 -0700, Faith Jeff wrote: >wuh? > >i don't understand... ok, picture a rear end... do you see the gears... ok, now, picture a bowl of jello... get the picture? john >-----Original Message----- >From: john [mailto:john-at-wagoneers.com] >Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 2:18 PM >To: Faith Jeff >Cc: 'fsj-at-digest.net' >Subject: Re: fsj: why a 228 ? > > > >differentiated instead of a viscous coupler... > >john > >On Tue, 29 Jul 2003, Faith Jeff wrote: > > >-->so why is the 228 favored over a 229 xfer case? > >--> > >-->-jeff > > >This electronic message transmission, including any attachments, contains >information from Prescription Solutions which may be confidential or >privileged. The information is intended to be for the use of the >individual or entity named above. 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On Wed, 30 Jul 2003, Faith Jeff wrote: >-->mmmm jello... sounds like my explanation had more "impact" then jim's. ;) john >--> >-->-----Original Message----- >-->From: john [mailto:john-at-wagoneers.com] >-->Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 9:30 PM >-->To: Faith Jeff; 'fsj-at-digest.net' >-->Subject: RE: fsj: why a 228 ? >--> >--> >-->At 02:12 PM 7/29/2003 -0700, Faith Jeff wrote: >-->>wuh? >-->> >-->>i don't understand... >--> >-->ok, picture a rear end... do you see the gears... >-->ok, now, picture a bowl of jello... >--> >-->get the picture? >--> >-->john >--> >--> >--> >-->>-----Original Message----- >-->>From: john [mailto:john-at-wagoneers.com] >-->>Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 2:18 PM >-->>To: Faith Jeff >-->>Cc: 'fsj-at-digest.net' >-->>Subject: Re: fsj: why a 228 ? >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->>differentiated instead of a viscous coupler... >-->> >-->>john >-->> >-->>On Tue, 29 Jul 2003, Faith Jeff wrote: >-->> >-->> >-->so why is the 228 favored over a 229 xfer case? >-->> >--> >-->> >-->-jeff >-->> >-->> >-->>This electronic message transmission, including any attachments, contains >-->>information from Prescription Solutions which may be confidential or >-->>privileged. 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May the SOURCE be With GNU - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 10:10:19 -0700 From: "Jim B" Subject: fsj: Motorcraft 4100 and OEM 360 EGR intake $75 It came off the '73 J4000 360 motor. Previous owner came by this AM and said that truck could (and has) pulled down a house (he had a construction crew. One of them ruined the motor by cutting the oil pressure line and not adding oil even though smoke was pouring out from under the hood). I also noticed the heads on the core motor do NOT have bridged rockers. Jim Blair, Seattle, WA '84 J10 Black Jack (getting lifted and stroked!), '73 J4000 304/TH400/QT tow truck (it's alive!!), '83 Eagle wagon (soon to be modified!)http://www.virtualjeep.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 12:21:45 -0700 From: "Jim B" Subject: fsj: Correction! Motorcraft 4300 and OEM 360 EGR intake $75 I just found out from a solid source that the carb is a 4300 Motorcraft, not 4100 (4100 looks almost identical to the 2100 2 bbl) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 13:11:27 -0700 From: "Faith Jeff" Subject: fsj: xfer case: converting 229 into 228 ? hi folks- i live close to a big jeep yard in fontana ca (scotty's)...they say that if i remove the viscous coupling from my 229 it'll be a 228. does this sound right? i can just take the "jello" out? also does $225 sound like a fair price for a bench-overhaul for my current 229? thanks, jeff This electronic message transmission, including any attachments, contains information from Prescription Solutions which may be confidential or privileged. The information is intended to be for the use of the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information is prohibited. If you have received this electronic transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately by a "reply to sender only" message and destroy all electronic and hard copies of the communication, including attachments. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 15:21:04 -0500 From: "John Pettit" Subject: fsj: Mattress Springs Under Wagoneer Hello everyone, Does anyone know the best way to get mattress springs out from underneath a Wagoneer - I think it's wrapped around the drive shaft/transmission (NOT GOOD)!! Here's a link to some pictures: http://www.johnboyproductions.com/fun/wagoneer I got some bolt cutters, but it would probably take me about 3 weeks to get it out with that. It won't shift into gear or anything. I'll sell the Wagoneer for $400 (mattress springs included) ha ha ha. Thanks!! John Pettit ('96 Cherokee, '81 Wagoneer, '86 Wagoneer, '87 Wagoneer, '85 Wagoneer & getting ready to buy another one ('87) tomorrow ;-o ) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 13:30:23 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: fsj: xfer case: converting 229 into 228 ? On Wed, 30 Jul 2003, Faith Jeff wrote: >-->hi folks- >--> >-->i live close to a big jeep yard in fontana ca (scotty's)...they say that if >-->i remove the viscous coupling from my 229 it'll be a 228. does this sound >-->right? i can just take the "jello" out? news to me... but reading some info from the manual, makes sense, I guess: http://www.wagoneers.com/FSJ/tech/NP219-viscous.txt more info: http://www.wagoneers.com/FSJ/tech/TransferCase/np228-np229.txt >-->also does $225 sound like a fair price for a bench-overhaul for my current >-->229? YES! that does sound good... john >--> >-->thanks, >-->jeff >--> >--> >-->This electronic message transmission, including any attachments, contains information from Prescription Solutions which may be confidential or privileged. The information is intended to be for the use of the individual or entity named above. 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May the SOURCE be With GNU - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 15:25:50 CDT From: Dan Black Subject: Re: fsj: Mattress Springs Under Wagoneer "John Pettit" said: {- Does anyone know the best way to get mattress springs out from underneath a {- Wagoneer - I think it's wrapped around the drive shaft/transmission (NOT {- GOOD)!! {- {- Here's a link to some pictures: {- http://www.johnboyproductions.com/fun/wagoneer {- {- I got some bolt cutters, but it would probably take me about 3 weeks to get {- it out with that. It won't shift into gear or anything. Yikes. How'd you manage that? Can you get to the proper bolts to remove the drive shaft? That might help you get the main mass out with relatively less use of bolt cutters... I doubt bolt cutters would take more than a couple hours, though, if you aim for the perimeter of the mass of springs... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Oh, trusty soda machine, I push you for root beer, you give me Coke. -- Willow - -------------- Dan Black ------------------------- dan-at-black.org -------------- ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #1982 **************************