From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Tue Aug 12 08:48:41 2003 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Tuesday, August 12 2003 Volume 01 : Number 1991 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: fsj: tire opinions sought... fsj: Re: 83 Jeep Wagoneer Re: fsj: Manifold question Re: fsj: tire opinions sought... fsj: My Dana 44 knuckles posted on EBay fsj: vac lines - 229 xfer case fsj: Driveshaft needed ASAP fsj: dropped the price on FSJ stickers fsj: Re: FWD: First Post-- Engine Swap potential..Email from Cummins FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 08:33:32 -0700 From: "Jim B" Subject: Re: fsj: tire opinions sought... A: I would run the Z rated (much higher rating than H) Aqua-tread upgrades. I had those on my wife's Maxima wagon for 5 years and they were still in decent shape when we sold the car. With all the rain we normally get here, that big rain groove in the middle makes them handle like you have 8 tires on the road instead of 4. From: john Subject: fsj: tire opinions sought... I think I've mentioned my bias on tires (no pun intended), but I want to hear what others would suggest for the PNW. This is going on my '91 300d, it has the wrong size tires on it right now. It's unlikely I'd drive it in snow, unless I got caught at work. Mostly wet road, cool climate. top speed of car is 121mph, tire size is: 195/65-15 seems like H rated is what's required. http://wagoneers.com/DieselBenz/91-300d-2.5L/ Looking for good handling, ride comfort, longevity and good wet road characteristics. I'll listen, and not reply. thanx for your suggestions, opinions and thoughts. :) What would you select? and why? thanx, john ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 08:13:49 -0700 From: "Jim B" Subject: fsj: Re: 83 Jeep Wagoneer A: The front springs will need beefing up for a diesel engine as well. One of the listers (that I can't think of the name of right now) out in Alberta, Canada finally finished his conversion while we were on our trip to Ouray. His stock springs bottomed out and nearly broke on the first big bump he hit. I still plan to one day convert an XJ to Nissan turbo 3.3L diesel (since they used the same AW trans, it should be pretty easy) They even came stock in Jtrucks down under, but were considered quite anemic (they weren't turbo mind you! I think they were the 2.8L inline 6 as well) At 09:14 AM 8/10/2003 -0700, Bob Matharu wrote: >Hi John, > >I found your article online about finding a diesel engine for a wagoneer. >I am also interested in converting my 83' Jeep Wagoneer to a diesel >engine. How are you making out? Have you changed to a diesel engine >before? If so, I am looking for any information on how to do it. well... I never did it. Old Blue was too nice of a rig and after getting him working I decided to sell him instead of finishing that project. Sold the parts I had. I'm currently putting a '96 XJ's 4.0L into my '83 J10 stepside. I decided to go with the Jeep 4.0L because of it's durability and power. Going to a Diesel in my stepside would have been ok, but I decided not to go that route. I do drive a Mercedes Diesel every day, love it... and have visions of dropping a 3.0L Turbo Diesel into a Willys Pickup someday. At this point, it's still just a dream. The reality of having a Diesel Jeep isn't a near term one. I did have an '85 Cherokee with the 2.1L Turbo Diesel and it was nice. 26mpg in town, 32mpg on the freeway. Problem was it was gutless, couldn't tow, had a manual transmission (bad back) and the French motor was expensive to get parts for. If it would have had an automatic I'd probably still have it. :) They are supposedly putting the Diesel in the KJ and hopefully later the WJ. They sell them overseas already. We got rid of our '99 WJ and if I could swing it I'd buy a new WJ with a Diesel, not sure my wife would want to give up having a 4.7L V8 though... that's a sweet motor. :) As far as how to do the conversion, it's pretty straight forward. Make sure the engine you select mates to the transmission, which mates to the transfer cases and that the driveshafts will work. I prefer to leave the transfer case in place and build around it that way I don't have to modify driveshaft lengths or worry about angles. You don't always have that luxury. The next thing is the radiator/cooling. look at where the hoses go. Fuel system will require a return line, Diesel circulates through the system. You'll probably want to do some soundproofing. :) If I were going to do it I'd consider the 6.5L TD, but only after researching it's problems. An old Ford PU with a Diesel might be ok too... research, research, research... then shop, shop, shop... Converting from one engine to another will take more time then you expect and you'll run into several "gotchas" along the way. Be prepared. Figure at least six months if you have all the parts and a place to do it. Don't be discouraged. There are solutions to any problem. Don't let the naysayers and skeptics talk you out of it. :) And I'm going to shut up now before I call my buddy that has that Willys PU with no engine... ;) btw, you'll probably want to get on the fsj list for moral support... there are several to chose from... I mainly hang out on digest.net. ttyl, john meister ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 08:42:14 -0700 From: "Jim B" Subject: Re: fsj: Manifold question A: It should've been sandwiched metal and fiber. Too bad you're already so far along because if you switched to a 4.0L exhaust manifold and '80 or newer intake with 2 bbl carb, you would REALLY see a power difference! If you split the exhaust, make sure you add a crossover pipe at the sweet spot, or you'll lose about 10% of your HP and torque will be moved WAY up the power band. The 6 cyls use the draw of the other cyl's exhaust to clean out the pipes and allow room for more fresh air/fuel mix into the cyl. The manifolds tend to come loose because the hanger that attaches to the trnasmission bellhousing gets taken off, and the pipe swings back and forth, and stretches the bolts. Grade 8 studs in the place of the bolts seems to work for me! (the later ones did this from the factory for a couple years -at-'83, then went back to bolts -at-'86) Got any airline friends? I'm near Sea-Tac International airport and for $50 USD I can drop off the 4.0L exhaust I have to them when they come in (wrapped in plastic) and they can take it as check in. From: Joe Morrison Subject: fsj: Manifold question Hi folks Just removed an split the manifolds on my 6-258 motor to discover that the joint between them at the heat riser was a cork gasket. This can't be right. Could someone tell me what is normally used here? Metal or fibre? I'll probably have to make something myself. Also all of the bolts holding the manifold to the head were only just holding. Any suggestions how I can make them more secure? Thanks for any tips. Joe Morrison Port Lincoln South Australia ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 08:50:43 -0700 From: "Jim B" Subject: Re: fsj: tire opinions sought... Sorry. Goodyear made them originally, and I forget the name of the knockoff company that bought the molds. (they're what we bought from Discount Tire) Z rated is the speed at which you can run at sustained speeds w/o worrying about blowouts. Z is 150 mph IIRC. Aquatread is the type. (most tire shops around here will know what you mean) http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Goodyear&tireModel=Aquatred+ 3 John wrote: Z rated what? what brand, type? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 10:00:10 -0700 From: "Jim B" Subject: fsj: My Dana 44 knuckles posted on EBay http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2427476947 note that they are Ford 3/4 1 ton, not GM/Dodge/FSJ Jim Blair, Seattle, WA '84 J10 Black Jack (getting lifted and stroked!), '73 J4000 304/TH400/QT tow truck (it's alive!!), '83 Eagle wagon (soon to be modified!)http://www.virtualjeep.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 11:14:10 -0700 From: "Faith Jeff" Subject: fsj: vac lines - 229 xfer case hi folks- i'm finally ready to deal with my xfer-case problem in my 90 gw. for the last week or two i've been dealing with a NEW water pump, the smog pump, and decided to put in a NEW fuel pump since i was that far into it again. the rebuilt motor sounds really nice now..the smog pump made it sound like a diesel/machine-gun/jackhammer.... according to an after-market gauge my oil pressure is strong, which is good because the front cover was suspected to be a problem when installing the oil pump. anyway, the trans shop told me to check the xfer-case vac lines before i take it for them to check out. how does a person check those lines? what kind of tool/technique....also which should draw vac and when? the 4wd light on the dash stays lit whether or not the switch is in 2 or 4. also i guessed which two connectors went to the front and top of the shift-motor....i may have switched them. anyone know the correct routing? i think i put the red line on the front of the vac motor, and the green one on the side/top of it... thanks, jeff so-cal 90 gw (almost drivable) 63 wag (almost drivable) 67 j2k (almost drivable) This electronic message transmission, including any attachments, contains information from Prescription Solutions which may be confidential or privileged. The information is intended to be for the use of the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information is prohibited. If you have received this electronic transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately by a "reply to sender only" message and destroy all electronic and hard copies of the communication, including attachments. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 21:36:58 -0700 From: "Jim B" Subject: fsj: Driveshaft needed ASAP I need a rear driveshaft for my '73 J4000 that is -at-60" collapsed. I just put a Dana 60 in and the Dana 44 driveshaft won't fit now! The current one is 64" collapsed and will barely fit with the truck lifted with the wheels up and pry barred in, but shoves the transfercase ahead as soon as I let it down (it was too long for the Dana 44 setup as well I found out. That's why my trans mount keeps coming loose and I get thumps against the floor when the truck is loaded and I hit bumps) Jim Blair, Seattle, WA '84 J10 Black Jack (getting lifted and stroked!), '73 J4000 304/TH400/QT tow truck (it's alive!!), '83 Eagle wagon (soon to be modified!)http://www.virtualjeep.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 22:53:58 -0700 From: john Subject: fsj: dropped the price on FSJ stickers just lowered the price on the FSJ logo stickers from $5/pair to $4 a pair... buy direct, or via ebay, postage included. :) http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2427765740 http://www.wagoneers.com/FSJ/decal.html enjoy, john meister - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... Jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 08:39:40 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: fsj: Re: FWD: First Post-- Engine Swap potential..Email from Cummins I went down and talked to the reps in Renton at Cummins when I was repowering my '67 Wag back in the late '80's. They were quite helpful and if I recall correctly, suggested a B series 4 cylinder used in the UPS trucks at the time... john On Tue, 12 Aug 2003, Jim B wrote: >--> From: "nstag8r2000" >-->Subject: First Post-- Engine Swap potential..Email from Cummins. >--> >-->Hi group. I am new to this forum and I have recently become the >-->owner of a 79 wagoneer. On a whim I sent an email off to the factory >-->reps at Cummins Diesel, my grandfater worked for Cummins for 30 >-->years, they sent me this response that I thought you would enjoy >-->reading about the engine I was looking at.. called the ISB 170 4cyl. >-->They really seem like a nice group of individuals... >--> >--> >--> >-->---start email message--- >--> >-->Summary: jeep repower ISB 170 >--> >-->Solution: >-->Thank you for your email Christian, as well as for your interest and >-->support of Cummins Power. We do not have a program at Cummins for >-->repowering Jeep vehicles. You would need to talk to one of our >-->authorized service providers in >-->your area, for complete details and options on Cummins A or B series >-->engines, or the newer ISB engines. >--> >-->The Cummins A series ratings are well below your target HP, but we >-->include them >-->FYI: >--> >--> A2300 60 hp -at- 2800 rpm 135 lb-ft -at- 1600 >-->rpm >-->turbocharged >--> A2300 50 " -at- " " 111 " >-->-at- " " >-->naturally aspirated >--> A2000 45 " -at- " " 102 " >-->-at- " " >-->" " >--> A1700 37 " -at- " " 82 " >-->-at- " " >-->" " >--> A1400 31 " -at- " " 69 " >-->-at- " " >-->" " >--> A900 18 " -at- " " 38 " >-->-at- " " >-->" " >--> >-->A series - Vital Statistics >--> >--> Model Displacement Bore >-->Stroke >-->Weight Height >-->A2300 T 2.29 liters (140 cu in) 88mm(3.46 in) 94mm(3.70 in) 200 >-->kg(441 lb) >-->650 mm(25.6 in) >-->A2300 >-->NA " " " " " " " " " " " >-->" >-->" 195 " (430 lb) 612 " (24.1 in) >-->A2000 2.08 " (127 " " ) 84 " >-->(3.31 " ) " " " " >-->" " ( " " ) " " " " >-->A1700 1.71 " (104 " " ) 88 " >-->(3.46 " ) " " " " >-->175 " (386 " ) " " " " >-->A1400 1.46 " ( 89 " " ) 84 " (3.31 " ) 88 " >-->(3.46 " ) >-->" " ( " " ) " " " " >-->A900 .88 " ( 54 " " ) 72 " (2.83 " ) 72 " >-->(2.83 " ) >-->115 " (254 " ) 550 " (21.7 " ) >--> >-->Some customers and independent shops have used the Cummins 4BT3.9 >-->engine, which >-->has less hp and torque than the 6-cylinder version. The 4BT3.9 is >-->rated 130 hp >-->with peak torque of 327 lb-ft. The 4BT3.9 engine is rated at 2500 rpm >-->with peak >-->torque at 1700 rpm. The engine weighs 570 pounds (dry). The 4BT3.9 >-->engine >-->dimensions are: >--> >-->Total height: 35.6 inches >-->Total length: 30.1 inches >-->Total width: 22.9 inches >--> >-->Also keep in mind that the Cummins engine operates in a slower rpm >-->range than >-->your Jeep engine, which might require a rear axle ratio change, to >-->make the >-->truck driveable. For smaller vehicles, these engines can end up >-->being too heavy >-->for ideal application, not to mention that custom installations >-->require near-fab >-->shop capability. >--> >-->Cummins B5.9 engines are certified by the EPA as 'heavy duty' diesels >-->(8600 GVWR >-->and above), therefore, we could not recommend our engines be >-->installed in a >-->vehicle less than 8600 GVWR, since they are not EPA-approved for on- >-->highway use. >-->We believe this also applies to the B3.9 engine as well. >--> >-->The 4- and 6-cylinder ISB engines are 4 valve/cylinder variants of >-->the earlier >-->engines but also have electronic fuel systems; this would complicate >-->a ^Srepower^T >-->since one would then need a more complex engine harness and other >-->inputs not >-->required on the hydramechanical engines. >--> >-->If you buy an engine from one of our authorized dealers or >-->distributors, the >-->engine warranty is valid from Cummins. You need to discuss with them >-->when the >-->warranty period will start, because it usually starts on trucks when >-->the vehicle >-->is ready for the customer to use. If a date is not established, then >-->the date of >-->purchase would start the warranty clock. The four cylinder ISB >-->weighs over >-->700#'s FYI. >--> >-->Your Boise distributor branch will have "Options" catalogs which will >-->define different housings, adapters, flywheels, etc, for application >-->with different transmissions. If you're serious about this "major >-->project" get with them and they'll help you sort through the details. >--> >-->We are aware of a dealer that specializes in high performance engines >-->and products and may be able to supply you with an engine or >-->information to meet your special needs, that sells some repower kits >-->for GM/Chevy/Ford repowers: >--> >-->PRF Fleet Supply >-->808 BLUE MOUND RD >-->FORT WORTH TX 76131-1023 >-->800-998-3033 >-->817-232-5112, FAX >-->General Information: Glenn Hudson / gchudson-at-swbell.net >-->Sales: Michael SeChrist / prfsales-at-swbell.net >-->Website: www.prffleet.com This is 'dated' >-->info and >-->may no longer be valid. >--> >-->We thank you for your interest in Cummins products. Please let us >-->know if you need assistance in locating the nearest Cummins- >-->authorized Dealer or Distributor Service Provider. For assistance in >-->locating a Service Provider, feel free to use Cummins North America >-->Dealer Locator, which can be found on Cummins website: >--> >-->http://www.cummins.com/service_locator/index.cfm >--> >-->Please let us know if you have other questions and if away from your >-->computer or have a time-critical request that needs more urgent >-->attention, feel free to call us toll-free (from North America) at 1- >-->800-DIESELS (343-7357). Customers may also call Cummins switchboard 1- >-->812-377-5000 (worldwide toll call) and ask for >-->the ^S800-DIESELS Call Center^T for assistance. >--> >-->Email direct: powermaster-at-cummins.com >--> >-->Regards, >-->-- >-->Powermaster >-->Customer Assistance Center >-->Cummins, Inc. >-->Columbus, Indiana, USA >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. ...and remember, leaving life without Jesus just isn't recommended... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** john-at-wagoneers.com via PINE on Linux ** (plain text please!) The revolt is underway, you can not stop it. FEAR THE PENGUIN!!!! May the SOURCE be With GNU - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #1991 **************************