From listmom-at-listserver.tehabi.com Thu Mar 13 12:15:20 1997 Return-Path: listmom-at-listserver.tehabi.com Received: from listserver.tehabi.com (listserver.tehabi.com [207.167.76.152]) by wagoneers.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA19863 for ; Thu, 13 Mar 1997 12:15:04 -0800 Received: from listserver.tehabi.com (207.167.76.152) by listserver.tehabi.com with SMTP (Apple Internet Mail Server 1.1.1); Thu, 13 Mar 1997 12:18:01 -0800 Sender: fsj-list-at-listserver.tehabi.com Errors-To: listmom-at-listserver.tehabi.com Reply-To: fsj-list-at-listserver.tehabi.com Message-Id: <1353867065-at-listserver.tehabi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: fsj-list-at-listserver.tehabi.com X-Listserver: Macjordomo - A Macintosh Listserver by Michele Fuortes Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 12:17:11-0800 Precedence: Bulk To: Multiple recipients of Subject: FSJ-List-Digest - Number 221 Status: RO FSJ-List-Digest Thursday, March 13, 1997 Issue 221 Today's Topics: Re: 35 now 36sKen Re: Grand Wagoneer Re: a ramada inn-mate... Re: V8 Rebuild article Re: Clean up after cleaningup (or what to do with stuff) Ask and Ye Shall Recieve Re: Some Dyno Iterations for Brad's 258(kinda long) Re: 35 now 36sKen Re: Four Wheeler One more Desktop Dyno Run thanx Doc... Damaged Quadra Trac?? Re: Grand Wagoneer IFSJA New England Chapter/ Any other interested parties? Re: Grand Wagoneer Re: Grand Wagoneer Re: Grand Wagoneer Grand Wagoneer with a "klunk" 4x HI - pops out! Re: 4x HI - pops out! Re: Grand Wagoneer with a "klunk" Max Bore On 360 Re: Big Daddy Re: Clean up after cleaningup (or what to do with stuff) Re: Clean up after cleaningup (or what to do with stuff) Re: Clean up after cleaningup (or what to do with stuff) Re: Part2.Help!! Stuck in Emergency Drive Re: Clean up after cleaningup (or what to do with stuff) Married chick w/ '66 Wag. Re: Big Daddy RE: Gears, Installing in a Dana Diff Re: Big Daddy Carb rebuilding ? Re: 4x HI - pops out! Re: 4x HI - pops out! D44 Wide Trac Axle Liners (fwd) Re: D44 Wide Trac Axle Re: D44 Wide Trac Axle Tom's Driveshaft Re: D44 Wide Trac Axle Re: D44 Wide Trac Axle ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 17:54:53 -0800 From: billy dunn Subject: Re: 35 now 36sKen At 05:40 PM 3/10/97 -0800, you wrote: >yes i have two sets..FnR d44 488's!!!. > >ill sell them to u for $75/set!! > >u want me to bring em this weekend?? > >also i have a dropped pitman arm for the 74 on up FSJ's, >interested?? > > >-- > Sincerely > > kenneth e. wetherall If a >Wagoneer can go where a > kenns-at-concentric.net CJ can >go, then it's a > Super >Wagoneer. > > >NOW thats a deal....Do you have a set for a D60!!!!??? Billy 79 J10 >--------------------------------------------------- >To Unsubscribe send email to macjordomo-at-listserver.tehabi.com with the command >"unsubscribe FSJ-List" in the body of the message. > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 18:52:40 -0800 From: "Lee Smith (Douglas)" Subject: Re: Grand Wagoneer Sam, Welcome. I'm relatively new as well and lurking is my current level of participation. So, when I see something I can contribute to I like to jump in. I too, have an '84 GW and I bought it with a rebuilt short-block with around 3,000 miles on it. About 1,000 miles later a connecting rod broke loose and the resultant damage cost me about $1200 because I could jump in and do it myself (limited time and I needed a vehicle post haste). If I had the opportunity to have replaced the short block myself I would have used the original (proven) rods and just had them magna fluxed as part of the reconditioning. I think that there are a lot of good reasons to rebuild rather than purchase rebuilt and if you want to talk more, email me direct. Sam Wallace wrote: > > Hi folks, > I'm brand new to the listserv, but I'm really happy to run into a > bunch of gearheads that might have a clue about how to keep the big > ol Jeeps on the highway! I've got an 84 Grand Wagoneer with a 360. > >snip! > > Anyhow, here's the issue: Should I rebuild my 360 (all 129 HP) > or should I go to something else? I'm not opposed to sinking a few > bucks in it. I would even consider buying a brand new engine. I just > want to keep my Jeep and I want it to be dependable. > > Any insight would really be appreciated. > > Sam Wallace > > ---------------------------------- > Samuel P. Wallace, Ph.D. > Department of Communication > University of Dayton > Dayton, OH 45469-1410 > 513-229-4626 FAX: 513-229-2055 > wallace-at-udayton.edu > > -- |----------------------------------------------------------| Lee Smith (Douglas) a.k.a. smithly-at-trojan.neta.com Chandler, Arizona 602-899-8041 '84 GW "Old Gold" (Smoke? No thanks!) |----------------------------------------------------------| ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 18:42:05 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: a ramada inn-mate... howdy, busy, being held captive in Carson (LA), CA. no wheels (yet) crummy food marginal accomodations NICE T-1 connection (doc's page still acts the same in IE or Netscape as it does at home... ????) flying to Seattle for the weekend, then back here... training has been pretty lame so far... oh well... they feed me, they pay me and they let me play all day (and evening) with their computers and T-1 connection.... I'm staying after school tonight to add frames, forms and some non-offensive (read they don't load unless you ask them to) javascripts. Don't you hate it when you go to a site and a little Alert message pops up? Sheesh, I just want to get somewhere... Anyway, would appreciate feedback on how it works, ESPECIALLY from Eddie and anyone else who uses an older browsers via Compuserve. EMAIL ME ASAP if you have trouble seeing it Eddie. You might try it tomorrow, I'm still experimenting tonight. miss my wife and kids and cat and jeeps... ttyl, john ---------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.wagoneers.com/john john-at-wagoneers.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington - where jeeps don't rust, they mold... Snohomish - an old Indian word meaning bad roads with no shoulders... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 81 JEEP (SJ) Wagoneer Ltd - "Old Blue" & 88 jeep (xj) wagoneer ltd ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 21:54:23 -0500 From: Ron Subject: Re: V8 Rebuild article Karl STREICH wrote: > the april 97 4-wheel & off road has an article that is the begining on a series > on building a torque V8. The victimized engine: a 360 from a 79 cherokee wide > track. Perfect timing, I have a '79 360 in the garage waiting, just need some money Ron G ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 19:47:41 -0700 From: M & J Subject: Re: Clean up after cleaningup (or what to do with stuff) I'll respond to this strange question even though I have some doubts as to the seriousness of the poster and/or the reasons for it(?). I clean my parts in deisel. I pour the dirty diesel into my dirty oil barrel and when it's full I take the barrel to an authorized dirty oil collection site. What's so complicated about that? Martin S., Yuma, AZ At 02:13 PM 03/12/97 -0800, you wrote: > >When I was much younger, Pops and I would happily clean our greasy jeep >parts in an old hub cap full of gas. When we were done, the gas would be >pretty gunky, and we would just pour it on the ground in a spot beside >out house. (In those days Pops had an old flat fender and I had a 69 >CJ5). > >So what I would like to know is how do you guys clean your parts, and what >do you do with any solvents/whatever that is left over? I don't have a >clue about a decent way to dispose of this stuff, and I'm not going to >dump it in my yard or down a storm drain. > >Any advice? > >-toxic waste brad ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 22:54:24 -0500 From: "David P. Dusenbury" Subject: Ask and Ye Shall Recieve (maybe it's because I went to church this week) After the great response about 6.2 Diesels, I have finally decided that a Diesel is NOT for me, at least in an M715 truck. The decision is down to a 350 (sensible choice) or a 454 (tight fit). Well.... Yesterday I stopped by the church, ran into the custodian, started talking cars, and mentioned that I was hunting a motor. He has a line on a 454--for $150!!! Running!!! I'll look at after the weekend. I get the whole truck -- totaled several months ago, and the guy's wife has given a ultimatum to get it out of the backyard. DP (fingers crossed) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Mar 97 23:10:33 EST From: rdmbfe-at-micro.lucent.com (M_B_FEICK) Subject: Re: Some Dyno Iterations for Brad's 258(kinda long) Well, cam spec fans, it would so appear that after much gnashing of teeth and consternation we have some interesting data to interpret. See the dyno simulation numbers posted by Tom Anhalt in the original message I am replying to. Aside from the fact that the advertised HP/Torque numbers are different than the "dyno's" (and we could attribute that to underrating for insurance or WHATEVER) I am going to assume the dyno to be a constant and look at some of the deltas between the set-ups and max figures at a given RPM. First, it is no surprise to find that Tom was right and that the best, simplest, and cheapest mod. to be made to the 258 is HEADERS. Anybody surprised by this? Hope not. Let's make the assumption that we are using our vehicles as trucks and not 1/4 milers, and that the RPM range most used will be from idle to 3~3.5K RPM. If you look at the peak figures with re. to RPM in Tom's charts, you will find that the stock cam always makes it's peak HP in the 4k RPM band or higher, and that peak torque is achieved at a lower RPM usually around 3K RPM. This also should not come as a surprise. What IS interesting at this point is that the cam in the 258 I would bet is the same in a Hornet as a Cherokee. (Any takers on that one?) I WILL defend the stock cam by saying that the curves are nice and flat and suited to general use. It IS interesting to note that the Crower cam does exactly what they said it would do and that is increase the low end power. I feel they did a great job designing this grind for the following reason: Look at the chart for 8:1/headers/stock cam (BTW the best OVERALL chart for one mod IMO), but now look at the 8:1/cast/Crower.(the best low end chart for one mod IMO) Torque is an impressive 231-at-2K RPM, higher than any torque reading with just the header with more HP in lower RPM too and, compareable HP up to 3K (remember application, now...). BTW the cost of the cam and lifter set was ~$140 coincedentally almost the exact same price of a header. You guys with emissions laws might be lovin' that! Let's look at deltas and go back to headers. The biggest consistant deltas with one mod are with headers. The biggest low-end gains with one mod is with the Crower. After that you can generically draw these conclusions: The header is going to wake up any combo you can put together (duh) The stock cam makes more consistant power across the RPM range The Crower makes more torque at a given RPM up to 3K or so For a given comp. ratio the dyno program gives higher and consistant HP than does Ken W's engine chart We like 277 ft lbs with 9:1/Crower/and headers If we could all run a maxxed out motor the choices would be obvious. This stuff may help you decide on a combo. I would like to compare other "torque" cams and see where THEY are. Remember to consider REALISTIC application. How much will Mike's comment on AMC exhaust affect results? All they is pure conjecture until we fire the bad boy up and stop bench racing. I am interested to see how the drop-off in numbers feels in terms of seat of the pants in the Crower. Stay tuned... Brad Feick ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 20:42:54 -0800 From: "Kenneth E. Wetherall" Subject: Re: 35 now 36sKen nope :( billy dunn wrote: > > > >NOW thats a deal....Do you have a set for a D60!!!!??? > > Billy > 79 J10 > >--------------------------------------------------- > >To Unsubscribe send email to macjordomo-at-listserver.tehabi.com with the command > >"unsubscribe FSJ-List" in the body of the message. > > > > > > > -- Sincerely 'If a Wagoneer can go where a kenneth e. wetherall CJ can go, then it's a kenns-at-concentric.net Super Wagoneer' ------------------------------ Date: 13 Mar 97 00:06:34 EST From: "DOROTHY I. STREICH" <104346.766-at-CompuServe.COM> Subject: Re: Four Wheeler > Hi Ya'all; > Just a quick note to those interested. A couple of NEAT things in > > 2. The other (short) article is how to build your very own RTI ramp > P. 134 April Issue. > > Later > Alan You missed the first in a 3-part series on rebuilding a 360 from a 79 widebody!! Karl Streich ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 21:27:14 -0800 From: Thomas Anhalt Subject: One more Desktop Dyno Run Well, I played around tonight with plugging in different cams and I think I found a combination I like. Competition Cams offers one with a 240 degree intake duration,an exhaust duration of 248 degrees, and a lift of .416 in. This cam combined with 9:1 compression and headers gives: Comp Cams "Baja Beast" rpm hp torque hp torque 2000 102 268 106 277 2500 126 265 123 258 3000 148 259 139 243 3500 163 245 145 218 4000 164 215 137 180 4500 150 176 120 140 5000 132 138 99 104 5500 107 102 72 69 6000 76 66 39 34 Looks pretty comparable to the "Baja Beast", but is a little flatter up to 3500 rpm. I then did another run to see what would happen with slightly larger diameter valves (1.94 intake/1.6 exhaust) and here's what I got: Comp Cams rpm hp torque 2000 102 269 2500 128 269 3000 152 267 3500 173 259 4000 183 240 4500 179 209 5000 165 173 5500 143 136 6000 114 100 As you can see, it would be almost a flat 270 ft-lbs of torque all the way up to 3000 rpm! Now that's a torque monster! (For a 258, that is). I think I'm narrowing in on a rebuild plan. All that with no real radical modifications and I haven't even included the effects of MPI yet either. Tom Anhalt '81 Cherokee Laredo ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 21:31:49 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: thanx Doc... hey doc, thanx for helping with my nephew's PC... wish you and yours the best... (used the FSJ alias in elm, figured a little public recognition for your good deed was acceptable since you usually help whoever you can.... and since I didn't have your email handy... seeing as how I'm a Ramada innmate in LA... snuck over to the classroom to use the computers... shhhhh.... They may not realize I escaped... :) looking forward to seeing my family Friday night, but not looking forward to leaving again Sunday night... Looking forward to April, when I'll be able to get Old Blue's springs realigned, and then take him to a driveshaft doctor... (FSJ content... :) back to work, ttyl... oh, BTW, the FSJ decal made it through the baggage process only to be damaged by me with my briefcase, go figure... :) later, john ------------------------------ Date: 13 Mar 97 01:10:34 EST From: Michael Baxter <74172.1164-at-CompuServe.COM> Subject: Damaged Quadra Trac?? The following may be able to point you in the right direction for a housing spreader. I believe Dana carries spreaders as well. Precision Measurement Supply, PO Box 28097, San Antonio, TX. 78228, 210-681-2405 -- Michael Baxter at 74172.1164-at-Compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/MBaxter From Reno, NV USA on 12-Mar-1997 ------------------------------ Date: 13 Mar 97 01:10:30 EST From: Michael Baxter <74172.1164-at-CompuServe.COM> Subject: Re: Grand Wagoneer "Jeff Gunn" writes: >> First, while the heads are off you could have them milled to up the compression ratio to 9:1 or so. << You know, I have never done the math on how much can be milled off the heads but, the 360's deck clearance is only 14.5 thousands down. Which means you can only mill about 20 thousands safely with stock pistons. Possibly a little more depending on how much shorter the rods are after they are rebuilt. I don't think that is enough to affect the CR very much. This all assumes a .040" head gasket compressed. Mill any more and a piston may hit a head. I've never seen the pistons in a 360 but, you could eat your morning cereal out of the dishes in a 401 piston. Anyone need a nice set of 8 cereal bowels? They may wobble but, you won't go hungry :-). I made some good progress on my 401 over the weekend. Most important is I found a one man machine shop in Topaz, NV (65 miles S or me) that I believe I can trust to do real good work. He recently retired and moved there. He has all the right stuff. Sunnen CK-10, Serdi head equipment just to name a few. And I think his credentials are sorta okay....he used to build engines for Big Daddy Don Gartlet! If we can figure-out a fixture for the heads, we are going to flow them this weekend. -- Michael Baxter at 74172.1164-at-Compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/MBaxter From Reno, NV USA on 12-Mar-1997 !^NavFont01F000DMGgHGpMG79HKV13F2 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 08:01:48 EST From: yinadral-at-juno.com Subject: IFSJA New England Chapter/ Any other interested parties? The New England Chapter is moving ahead. So far the group consists of 10 members. Most of the setup conversation is taking place off the list, so if you want to participate or just want to be included please send me an e-mail. Thanks! Stephen Levin Yinadral-at-Juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 09:08:11 EST From: "Sam Wallace" Subject: Re: Grand Wagoneer Thanks for the comments on the 360 question. What I'm hearing is that there is a good deal of respect for the 360, and if I do a decent rebuild I'll be pretty satisfied with the results. Is that what everybody thinks? Or will I simply be polishing a turd? I'm also getting the drift that we can get more than 129 ponies out of it! Thanks Sam Wallace 84 Wagoneer ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 07:18:41 -0600 From: "Jeff Gunn" Subject: Re: Grand Wagoneer On Mar 13, 12:10am, Michael Baxter wrote: > Subject: Re: Grand Wagoneer > > "Jeff Gunn" writes: > > >> First, while the heads are off you could have them milled to up the > compression ratio to 9:1 or so. << > > You know, I have never done the math on how much can be milled off the heads > but, the 360's deck clearance is only 14.5 thousands down. Which means you can > only mill about 20 thousands safely with stock pistons. Possibly a little more > depending on how much shorter the rods are after they are rebuilt. I don't > think that is enough to affect the CR very much. This all assumes a .040" head > gasket compressed. Mill any more and a piston may hit a head. > > I've never seen the pistons in a 360 but, you could eat your morning cereal > out of the dishes in a 401 piston. >-- End of excerpt from Michael Baxter Aha! So I guess new pistons would be required instead of milling the head....I'm scared to look and see what a new set of cast or forged pistons would run for an AMC. It's times like these I start thinking "small-block Chevy". Sorry if I misled anyone. Have yet to pull the heads off an AMC engine so I'm speaking with quite a few assumptions.... Jeff ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 07:20:40 -0600 From: "Jeff Gunn" Subject: Re: Grand Wagoneer Yeah, my '78 360 is rated at something like 179 HP I think. Check the FSJ web site, I think there is still a chart of HP and Torque for the various engines and years of production. Jeff On Mar 13, 8:08am, Sam Wallace wrote: > Subject: Re: Grand Wagoneer > > > I'm also getting the drift that we can get more than 129 ponies out > of it! > > Thanks > > Sam Wallace > 84 Wagoneer > >-- End of excerpt from Sam Wallace ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2030 20:53:24 -0600 From: "Laurence Galle" Subject: Grand Wagoneer with a "klunk" I've aquired a klunk in the front end of my '89 Grand Wagoneer. It occurs only when I'm running at very slow speeds (usually while turning), or when I'm turning into a parking lot where the pavement is not level with the road. I've read the "buyers guide" some of you guys have put on the web, and this was one of the things you said to watch for. I'm not very mechanically inclined. What could this be? Thanks Laurence ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 08:51:55 -0600 From: Paul Boe Subject: 4x HI - pops out! Hello everyone! I have a question for you guys to chew on for a couple of days. Background: Yesterday my good friend (Who owns a bad boy, 1984', FJ60 Landcruiser) said that he had driven through a good mud hole at the end of the building. With a grin on his face he challenged me to go through the same mud hole. Even though my 74' Cherokee is not ready for the mud, I fired her up. The old 360 pulled me and my bald street tires right through the soupy hole without to much trouble and I headed for the house with a big smile on my face. Here is the problem: When I headed for the house, which is about 5 miles away, I thought that I would just run on home with the old Cherokee still locked in 4 Wheel, High. Well, everything was going just fine until about a mile away she started to whine a little and popped out of 4 wheel drive. I pulled over and put it back in 4x and tryed it again. This time I watched the transfer case shifter start to move forward real slow. The old Cherokee jumped out of 4x HI again. The whining that I heard was probably just the differentials. The shifter does not seem to lock at all. Is this a transfer case problem? Is it a Linkage problem? Will the LANDCRUSHER be victorious!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HELP!!!!???????........!!!!!!!!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 10:27:00 EST From: "Sam Wallace" Subject: Re: 4x HI - pops out! I'm not real good at this, but I have a thought. My 84 Wagoneer used to pop out of high and low 4x. Before trying surgery on the transfer case, I replaced the vacuum lines that do the shifting. The lines were in fairly crummy shape. Anyhow, after I did that, I didn't have any more trouble with it. I don't know if yours is set up with vacuum lines, but if it is, your trip through the mudhole might have pulled one of them loose. There's no reason to let the Landcrusher sissy come out on top (plus, there's no reason to ever tell him about this). Sam Wallace ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 22:28:46 -0500 From: Joe Sego Subject: Re: Grand Wagoneer with a "klunk" Hi, I would look at the front wheel bearings first. C'ya joe- 79 Chief At 08:53 PM 3/12/30 -0600, you wrote: >I've aquired a klunk in the front end of my '89 Grand Wagoneer. It occurs >only when I'm running at very slow speeds (usually while turning), or when >I'm turning into a parking lot where the pavement is not level with the >road. > >I've read the "buyers guide" some of you guys have put on the web, and this >was one of the things you said to watch for. I'm not very mechanically >inclined. What could this be? > >Thanks >Laurence > > > >--------------------------------------------------- >To Unsubscribe send email to macjordomo-at-listserver.tehabi.com with the command >"unsubscribe FSJ-List" in the body of the message. > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 97 08:33:00 PST From: "Jandrt, Rick" Subject: Max Bore On 360 What's the maximum a 360 can be bored out to? I've seen .045. Anyone seen .060 or greater? Rick(chocolate moose) rjandrt-at-msgate.litc.lockheed.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 07:39:59 -0800 From: Thomas Anhalt Subject: Re: Big Daddy Michael Baxter wrote: > > I made some good progress on my 401 over the weekend. Most important is I > found a one man machine shop in Topaz, NV (65 miles S or me) that I believe I > can trust to do real good work. He recently retired and moved there. He has > all the right stuff. Sunnen CK-10, Serdi head equipment just to name a few. > And I think his credentials are sorta okay....he used to build engines for Big > Daddy Don Gartlet! > "Big Daddy" Don Garlits vs. Don "The Snake" Prudhomme. How many times have you heard this matchup mentioned? You better watch out, or your wide-track will end up with a fiberglass body and the engine will only burn alcohol. Then you'll REALLY need to get a bigger gas tank!!!! =:0 Tom Anhalt '81 Cherokee Laredo ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 97 08:20:04 -0800 From: bks-at-co.intel.com Subject: Re: Clean up after cleaningup (or what to do with stuff) Martin wrote: > I'll respond to this strange question even though I have some doubts as to > the seriousness of the poster and/or the reasons for it(?). I clean my > parts in deisel. I pour the dirty diesel into my dirty oil barrel and when > it's full I take the barrel to an authorized dirty oil collection site. > What's so complicated about that? > > Martin S., Yuma, AZ Sorry, I didn't think it was a strange question. I was serious. I figured the list would have the answers I needed. I talked to my oil recycler, and they don't want any strange oils in the oil. All they want is used motor oil. I relize they can't tell whats in it and would take it anyway, but does this screw up what they use it for? Do I need to find another recycler? Does it really matter if I add deisel/gas/whatever to the oil I recycle? Deisel is a great idea. I had forgot all about it. I now remember a friend in High School that used deisel to clean parts. -brad ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 08:20:54 -0800 (PST) From: Kara Moloney and Mick Delaney Subject: Re: Clean up after cleaningup (or what to do with stuff) At 02:13 PM 3/12/97 -0800, you wrote: > >When I was much younger, Pops and I would happily clean our greasy jeep >parts in an old hub cap full of gas. When we were done, the gas would be >pretty gunky, and we would just pour it on the ground in a spot beside >out house. (In those days Pops had an old flat fender and I had a 69 >CJ5). > >So what I would like to know is how do you guys clean your parts, and what >do you do with any solvents/whatever that is left over? I don't have a >clue about a decent way to dispose of this stuff, and I'm not going to >dump it in my yard or down a storm drain. > >Any advice? > >-toxic waste brad Talk to your garbage disposal guys. Most waste disposal companies will deal with it for a fee. Some even have a 'household hazard waste day' in which they allow people to bring stuff in for free I went to one of those once to get rid of old paint. It was really coil - they were all in full level 3 suits. Anyway, at least people are having more common sense these days about that stuff. good luck mick ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 08:36:52 -0800 From: Joe Schaefer Subject: Re: Clean up after cleaningup (or what to do with stuff) At 08:20 13-03-97 -0800, you wrote: > > >I talked to my oil recycler, and they don't want any strange oils in the oil. >All they want is used motor oil. I relize they can't tell whats in it and >would take it anyway, but does this screw up what they use it for? Do I need >to find another recycler? Does it really matter if I add deisel/gas/whatever >to the oil I recycle? > >-brad Brad, Some recyclers sell the used oil to be burnt as heating oil. A local garage here in town takes all my used oil and they burn it in some fancy high tech furnace. Hence the reason for NO gasoline in the dirty oil. A little diesel in there is ok though (#1 dsl is home heating oil). I still use gas to clean parts and when done just leave the pan/hubcap out in the open and in a day the gas evaporates. There is no place around here (rural) that will take contaminated gasoline. If you smoke though, there are other considerations when doing this :) ~~~~~~~~ Regards, -jj ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 10:04:03 -0700 From: dmatheny-at-mutoh.com Subject: Re: Part2.Help!! Stuck in Emergency Drive >>>You only need to remove the back cover of the QT case to >>>replace the vacuum diaphragm. This is much easier than >>>removing the entire case, although it is >>> >>If the diaphragm is located on the rear half of the case >>then it would work. I can't remember which half of the case it's on. >> >The access cover is located on the rear half of the case. I >agree that it would be easier to access the cover et. al. with >the back of the case out, at least it was when I put in the >part-time kit. I had enough trouble just getting at all the >LARGE parts when I was taking off the back half while lying >on my back and stretching my neck to see what the $#-at-^% >I was doing! > >c-ya, >Steve Whitney, '78 Wag I don't remember it being too bad. It was several years ago. Or maybe there is more room under a J-Truck than a Cherokee or Wagoneer. C Ya, Dan '77 J20, 360, QT; '95 ZJ Laredo, 318, QT ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 11:05:37 -0500 From: "Dave Read" Subject: Re: Clean up after cleaningup (or what to do with stuff) I thought it was a good question. I use a 10 to 1 mix of kerosene or Diesel and Gunk SC cleaner (a solvent based detergent, comes in a 1 gallon metal paint thinner type can). I have three red plastic gasoline containers that I have marked (Not Gas, Do NOT Use!) so as not to confuse with gas containers used for gas. Wouldn't want the wife or a guest to fill up their new car with this stuff. Some of the grit will stay in the bottom of the container, so you wouldn't want to ever use it for gas after having dirty cleaning solution in it. You can also buy blue kerosene or yellow Diesel containers, I just happened to already have a bunch of the red ones. As the solvent gets dirty, I migrate it from Clean to OK to Dirty (also marked). When it gets too dirty, I use it to burn my brush pile (I'm in a rural area, so this may not work for everyone). Most oil change places will gladly accept used motor oil, they sell it as boiler fuel. It's burned, not recycled. I suppose it could mess up the boiler or be a fire hazard if a lot of other stuff was mixed in with the motor oil. I'm guessing that a little gasoline, ATF, 90W gear oil, kerosene, or Diesel might be OK if it were diluted with enough motor oil. I store used motor oil in white 5 gallon plastic buckets (pickle buckets) that I get used from restaurants. They have a wide mouth and the lids (make sure you get the lids) have a rubber gasket which will give you a good seal and prevent oil spills. Sure beats using a funnel and a whole bunch of one gallon containers. Dave *in reply to trapper >I'll respond to this strange question even though I have some doubts as to the seriousness of the poster and/or the reasons for it(?). I clean my parts in deisel. I pour the dirty diesel into my dirty oil barrel and when it's full I take the barrel to an authorized dirty oil collection site. What's so complicated about that? Martin S., Yuma, AZ Brad wrote: >When I was much younger, Pops and I would happily clean our greasy jeep >parts in an old hub cap full of gas. When we were done, the gas would be >pretty gunky, and we would just pour it on the ground in a spot beside >out house. (In those days Pops had an old flat fender and I had a 69 >CJ5). > >So what I would like to know is how do you guys clean your parts, and what >do you do with any solvents/whatever that is left over? I don't have a >clue about a decent way to dispose of this stuff, and I'm not going to >dump it in my yard or down a storm drain. > >Any advice? > >-toxic waste brad ------------------------------ Date: 13 Mar 97 11:58:11 EST From: Michael Baxter <74172.1164-at-CompuServe.COM> Subject: Married chick w/ '66 Wag. If any of you '60s gurus have a hot tip for parts please send it to Leigh direct. ------------------------------------------------- FORWARDED MESSAGE - Orig: 12-Mar-97 15:26 Subject: Jeeps From: INTERNET:Fultz2kyds-at-aol.com To: Michael Baxter 74172,1164 ------------------------------------------------- Sender: Fultz2kyds-at-aol.com To: 74172.1164-at-compuserve.com Subject: Jeeps I have a 1966 Jeep Wagoneer and would like to know a god place to get replacement parts..Please not Whitney!! Been there done that. Having trouble with the tranny and the door panels and headliner need to be replaced. It's a good old rig and since my hubby says I have to use it for my major rig for awhile we decided to fix it up. Leigh -- Michael Baxter at 74172.1164-at-Compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/MBaxter From Reno, NV USA on 13-Mar-1997 !^NavFont01F0007MGHHI5FB7C0 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 00:16:00 -0500 From: Joe Sego Subject: Re: Big Daddy > >"Big Daddy" Don Garlits vs. Don "The Snake" Prudhomme. How many times >have you heard this matchup mentioned? Actually never :-) We (Indy) host the U.S. Nationals here each year, been there many times. It was Don "The Snake" Prudhomme vs. Tom "The Mongose" McElwan Prudomme ran funny cars for years, Garlits ran top fuel. Prudomme did switch to top fuel before retiring but Garlits was already gone by then. C'ya Joe- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 09:39:07 -0800 From: "Renshaw, Ken" Subject: RE: Gears, Installing in a Dana Diff >>> >>> >>>KEN you and I must work exactly alike(SCARY)thats the same thing I use.... >And FWIW I havent had a failure yet:) Very scary..... >Billy >79J10 >P.S.You'll like them TSL SXs they are great...Glad to see ya move to a >decent tire.....:) I knew SOMEONE would understand... ;-) C Ya! -Ken Kenneth L. Renshaw Resumix, Inc. Sr. UNIX System Administrator Configuration Management Engineer System Engineer (408)744-3945 Home (408)984-2131 Work (800) 970-5298 Pager krenshaw-at-resumix.com 1979 Wagoneer 'Babe' 360/ProJection/QT 36" SX's, 4.88's Dana 44's, ARB's ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 09:46:26 -0800 From: Thomas Anhalt Subject: Re: Big Daddy Joe Sego wrote: > > > > >"Big Daddy" Don Garlits vs. Don "The Snake" Prudhomme. How many times > >have you heard this matchup mentioned? > > Actually never :-) We (Indy) host the U.S. Nationals here each year, been > there > many times. It was Don "The Snake" Prudhomme vs. Tom "The Mongose" McElwan > Prudomme ran funny cars for years, Garlits ran top fuel. Prudomme did switch > to top fuel before retiring but Garlits was already gone by then. > > C'ya > Joe- Oops....That's right, I even remember the Hot Wheels "Mongoose" and "Snake" ads. Of course, that could explain my faulty memory...I was only old enough to be into Hot Wheels, you don't dwell on facts like that when you're a grade schooler ;) Now...Let's take another crack at it...How about "Big Daddy" vs. Shirley "Cha-Cha" Muldowney? Tom Anhalt ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 10:53:02 -0700 From: swhitney-at-presto.GIS.Pima.GOV. (Steve Whitney) Subject: Carb rebuilding ? Hey all, I'm in the middle of re-building my stock Motorcraft 4350 4bbl carb off my '78 Wag. I've read in the trade rags that setting the float level lower than specs will help reduce flooding when travelling over rough terrain. What I'm wondering is how much lower should it be set, 10%, 20%,.....? Anybody tried this? The float level is set for both the primary and auxillary valves. Should I lower the float level for just the primary valve or both? Listed specs: Primary valve float level = .900" Auxillary valve float level = .050" TIA for any tips. c-ya, Whit. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 12:21:20 -0600 From: Paul Boe Subject: Re: 4x HI - pops out! Sam Wallace wrote: > > I'm not real good at this, but I have a thought. My 84 Wagoneer used > to pop out of high and low 4x. Before trying surgery on the transfer > case, I replaced the vacuum lines that do the shifting. The lines > were in fairly crummy shape. Anyhow, after I did that, I didn't have > any more trouble with it. > > I don't know if yours is set up with vacuum lines, but if it is, your > trip through the mudhole might have pulled one of them loose. > There's no reason to let the Landcrusher sissy come out on top (plus, > there's no reason to ever tell him about this). > > Sam Wallace > > --------------------------------------------------- > To Unsubscribe send email to macjordomo-at-listserver.tehabi.com with the command > "unsubscribe FSJ-List" in the body of the message. > > Thanks Sam, Thanks for the info! I will check and see if there are any vacuum line that run to that thing. I tend to think that my xfer case does not have them. I will check anyway. Good Idea. DOWN WITH THE LANDCRUSHER!!! *LOL* Paul Boe ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 13:49:52 EST From: "Sam Wallace" Subject: Re: 4x HI - pops out! The vacuum lines I replaced are attached to the front axle. While I prefer manual locking hubs, the ones I have are operated by vacuum or some other magic. Maybe snoop around there to see what's going on? Sam Wallace ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 11:50:36 -0700 (MST) From: Brian Riggs Subject: D44 Wide Trac Axle Hi All, In preparing "Big Ugly" for the trip to Moab I have found that my right Rear axle shaft is spiralled and about to bite it. After calling almost every wrecking yard in town I have been unable to find a replacement due to the Wide Trac factor. There are plenty of standard axles but none for the WTs. Does anyone out there know where I could get a replacement. The local Jeep Dealer wants an outrageous amount for one plus it's a special order and might take awhile to get. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Brian (scared to go to Moab with this axle) Riggs *-------------------------------------------------------------* | briggs-at-genetics.utah.edu | Web Page Development UtahFWDA | | justbr-at-aol.com | Storm Mountain 4X4 SLC Ut | | Salt Lake City, Utah | Red Rock 4Wheelers Moab Ut | |-------------------------------------------------------------| |'79 Wide Trac Cherokee Chief S: AMC 360, T18, Dana20, Dana 44| |front and rear with 4.56 gears & Lock-Rites, 35" BFG M/Ts, 4"| |SkyJacker SoftRide Lift, Some rust, And lots of dents. =8) | *-------------------------------------------------------------* ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 11:22:16 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Liners (fwd) Ok Guys, see if you can help us out... I'm thinking I've seen these things in JC Whitney, probably could use one for another rig... any ideas? please respond to weathers-at-ebicom.net thanx, john aka: fsj-at-off-road.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.wagoneers.com/john john-at-wagoneers.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington - where jeeps don't rust, they mold... Snohomish - an old Indian word meaning bad roads with no shoulders... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Forwarded message: ORIG MSG: From weathers-at-ebicom.net Thu Mar 13 11:19:01 1997 ORIG MSG: Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 13:23:21 -0600 ORIG MSG: From: Christy Sanders ORIG MSG: Reply-To: weathers-at-ebicom.net ORIG MSG: Organization: Weathers Auto Supply ORIG MSG: To: fsj-at-off-road.com ORIG MSG: Subject: Liners ORIG MSG: ORIG MSG: I just recently purchased an '83 Grand Wagoneer Limited. I would like ORIG MSG: to put a liner in the rear compartment and floor liners in the passenger ORIG MSG: areas. I'm having trouble finding them. Any info or suggestions would ORIG MSG: be appreciated! ORIG MSG: ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 12:13:05 -0600 From: "Jeff Gunn" Subject: Re: D44 Wide Trac Axle Brian, I think that Savannah Jones has them, not sure. And they may not have WT either. I'll look in my catalogs this eve when I get home. Jeff ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 14:31:01 -0500 (EST) From: GypsyLive-at-aol.com Subject: Re: D44 Wide Trac Axle there are 2 wide tracs with D44 rears in a yard near me...but im in North West Arkansas..... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 09:45:22 -0500 From: John Esposito Subject: Tom's Driveshaft Tom, I have the same problem with my '89 GW. I thought I may have knocked a weight off of mine because right after I went off road it started vibrating. My father thinks it's the joint as well. Did you have someone test it or did you do it yourself? I think this is my next project so any advice is much appreciated. Alfred J. Esposito espos-at-compuserve.com '89 Grand Wagoneer '83 Wagoneer - Soon to be parted out ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 12:52:16 -0700 From: swhitney-at-presto.GIS.Pima.GOV. (Steve Whitney) Subject: Re: D44 Wide Trac Axle Called the yard here in Tucson, guy said he has some wide-track d44's, but he's not sure if any of the axles are left in 'em, needs to know what side your looking for. Did you say it was one of the rear axles? If you're interested, let me know the details and I'll have the yard guy go out and look. c-ya, Whit. Steve Whitney, '78 Wag Tucson, AZ swhitney-at-gis.pima.gov ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 13:03:20 -0700 (MST) From: Brian Riggs Subject: Re: D44 Wide Trac Axle Thanks Jeff. Brian On Thu, 13 Mar 1997, Jeff Gunn wrote: > > Brian, > I think that Savannah Jones has them, not sure. And they may > not have WT either. I'll look in my catalogs this eve when I get home. > > Jeff > > > > --------------------------------------------------- > To Unsubscribe send email to macjordomo-at-listserver.tehabi.com with the command > "unsubscribe FSJ-List" in the body of the message. > > > ------------------------------ End of FSJ-List-Digest #221 ************************************ --------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe send email to macjordomo-at-listserver.tehabi.com with the command "unsubscribe FSJ-List" in the body of the message.