From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Mon Sep 15 12:37:33 2003 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Monday, September 15 2003 Volume 01 : Number 2012 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: fsj: Dana 44 highsteer arms and flat top $300 fsj: detroit - sept 22-26 fsj: Re: FW: [SWB] RE: Pre-Move stuff (fwd) fsj: administrivia: notes on using this list fsj: stock J-10 drivetrain Re: fsj: stock J-10 drivetrain fsj: HEI distributor or MSD? fsj: speedometer Re: fsj: speedometer RE: fsj: speedometer RE: fsj: speedometer FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 17:52:01 -0700 From: "Jim Blair" Subject: fsj: Dana 44 highsteer arms and flat top $300 I just posted them on the snort board http://www.snort4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=3388 build your truck right the first time!Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 17:54:46 -0700 From: john Subject: fsj: detroit - sept 22-26 heading to detroit sept 22 for a Unigraphics class... anyone in Livornia or whatever it's called near Detroit? john - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... Jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 18:40:09 -0700 From: john Subject: fsj: Re: FW: [SWB] RE: Pre-Move stuff (fwd) will pass this along... does sound like a win-win... while you're at it maybe you could bring up some BBQ sauce... ;) (just kidding, we've got plenty up here...) Where are you heading up here? I lived in disgusta, er, Augusta back in the '70s/'80s while stationed at Ft. Gordon... I think you're heading in the right direction. :) john At 06:36 PM 9/14/2003, Eric wrote: >Hi Jim and John, > >I know Ben from the Jeep lists and he suggested I contact you. > >I am moving from Atlanta to Seattle and have 3 cars to transport. I was >hoping to find someone in the Northwest that would like a new gooseneck >utility trailer. I would use it to tow my Jeep and wifes car and then >deliver it to the new owner. I understand trailers in the south east are >$1000 - $2000 less due to our proximity to the major manufacturers. It's a >win-win deal. > >If you know someone who might be interested in this please pass this along. > >I will be leaving Atlanta 9/27 and hope to arrive Seattle 10/3. My only >requirement on the trailer is that it is 24' or longer. > >Thanks in advance, > >Regards, > >Eric >http://renegades.us/bios/munsen.html >(404) 431-7074 > >-----Original Message----- >From: Obi-Wan [mailto:bvh-at-inetnebr.com] >Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2003 2:19 PM >To: eejeep-at-mindspring.com >Subject: [SWB] RE: Pre-Move stuff (fwd) > > > > Any bites on the trailer? If you know anyone that might be interested, I > > will buy one new and transport my Jeep and wife's car on it then deliver >to > > the new owner. I have a freind that owns www.trailersforless.com and can > > get a good deal. > >I deleted the message where you described the situation, otherwise I'd >forward it myself, but you might try contacting Jim Blair (carnuck1-at-msn.com) >or John Meister (john-at-wagoneers.com), both of whom live in the Seattle >area and are long-time members of the FSJ-List. Tell them I sent you. >If they don't want it, they may know somebody who does. Jim in particular >is well-connected up in that area. > > -- Obi-Wan > '95.5 YJ, '77 Wag, '78 Wag, '87 GW > >-- >Ben "Obi-Wan" Hollingsworth obiwan-at-jedi.com > The stuff of earth competes for the allegiance I owe only to the > Giver of all good things, so if I stand, let me stand on the > promise that You will pull me through. -- Rich Mullins - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... Jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 06:15:00 +0000 From: Richard Welty Subject: fsj: administrivia: notes on using this list Digest.Net mailing list "Meta FAQ" These general notes on using Digest.Net mailing lists are posted on the 1st and 15th of each month. This file may be found on the web at http://www.digest.net/general-notes.txt [last revised 5/1/02; removed list of spam strings, as i'm not the only one filtering on them -- rpw] Additional information on Digest.Net's spam policies may be found at http://www.digest.net/email-policy.html and http://www.digest.net/blocked.html Table of Contents 1. Why don't my postings go through? 2. Why can't I unsubscribe? 3. How do I post to the list? 4. Where are the archives? 5. What other lists are on digest.net? 6. Is there a web subscription form? 7. 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For more information, see the web site. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 07:46:14 -0400 From: "Neal Hoover" Subject: fsj: stock J-10 drivetrain hello, all- haven't posted in a while, just soaking up information. but i have a quick drivetrain question: what typical drivetrain came in the '86 J-10s? my Dad just picked up an '86 model with the 131" wheelbase, model 20 rear (44 front, of course). the guy he bought it off of said he swapped in a 401 motor. i had to check this ride out, so i drove 6 hours to my parents' home this past weekend to check it out. here's what i saw.... the tag on the front of the valve cover didn't cross-reference to indicate that it was a 401 by the build code (but, i was looking at my '76 FSM). i couldn't tell what kind of tranny was in it, but it surely wasn't a GM TH400. maybe the 727? and here's the real kicker: it has an NP 208 'case in it! did J-10s ever come with 208s??? (it looked like a home-fabbed adapter plate was bolted to the factory crossmember to hold the tranny mount.) as a little more info, it has a Motorcraft carb on it, but i believe those were common on AMC motors, aye? thanks for the replies. Neal A. Hoover Project '76 J-10 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 07:28:22 -0700 From: john Subject: Re: fsj: stock J-10 drivetrain the '86 J10 would have come with the amc 360 v8, tf727 and np208. an amc 401 would bolt right up... but that 727 wouldn't last more then about 30,000 miles... not unless someone built it up... my '83 j10 has an np208. optional would have been the np229 or np228. john At 04:46 AM 9/15/2003, Neal Hoover wrote: >hello, all- >haven't posted in a while, just soaking up information. but i have a quick >drivetrain question: >what typical drivetrain came in the '86 J-10s? my Dad just picked up an '86 >model with the 131" wheelbase, model 20 rear (44 front, of course). the guy >he bought it off of said he swapped in a 401 motor. i had to check this >ride out, so i drove 6 hours to my parents' home this past weekend to check >it out. here's what i saw.... the tag on the front of the valve cover >didn't cross-reference to indicate that it was a 401 by the build code (but, >i was looking at my '76 FSM). i couldn't tell what kind of tranny was in >it, but it surely wasn't a GM TH400. maybe the 727? >and here's the real kicker: it has an NP 208 'case in it! did J-10s ever >come with 208s??? (it looked like a home-fabbed adapter plate was bolted to >the factory crossmember to hold the tranny mount.) >as a little more info, it has a Motorcraft carb on it, but i believe those >were common on AMC motors, aye? >thanks for the replies. > >Neal A. Hoover >Project '76 J-10 - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... Jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 07:37:11 -0700 From: Tesar Landon-r16884 Subject: fsj: HEI distributor or MSD? Hi Dalan, I put an MSD in my '89 Wag a couple of years ago, after fighting with the stock system. The reliability has been great, and I kept the old wiring and module in place as a backup. So it's not completely an either/or approach. and I recommend the TFI coil, cap and wires upgrade as well. You'll get a smoother idle and better response, IMHO. The MSD stuff is very tough, and made in El Paso. - - Landon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 09:52:46 -0700 From: "Faith Jeff" Subject: fsj: speedometer hi folks- the speedometer (and odometer) in my 90 gw does not work....hasn't since i bought it a year ago. if i disconnect the cable from the xfer case, i can spin the wire, and make the stuff in the dash turn. when it's threaded into the xfer case, it does not engage. ideas? thanks, jeff This electronic message transmission, including any attachments, contains information from Prescription Solutions which may be confidential or privileged. The information is intended to be for the use of the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information is prohibited. If you have received this electronic transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately by a "reply to sender only" message and destroy all electronic and hard copies of the communication, including attachments. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 11:44:27 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: fsj: speedometer On Mon, 15 Sep 2003, Faith Jeff wrote: >-->hi folks- >--> >-->the speedometer (and odometer) in my 90 gw does not work....hasn't since i >-->bought it a year ago. if i disconnect the cable from the xfer case, i can >-->spin the wire, and make the stuff in the dash turn. >--> >-->when it's threaded into the xfer case, it does not engage. pull the gear out of the xfr case... does it have teeth? is the cable engaging? look inside is there teeth on the little roller inside there? john >--> >-->ideas? >--> >-->thanks, >-->jeff >--> >--> >-->This electronic message transmission, including any attachments, contains information from Prescription Solutions which may be confidential or privileged. The information is intended to be for the use of the individual or entity named above. If you ar e not the intended recipient, be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information is prohibited. >--> >-->If you have received this electronic transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately by a "reply to sender only" message and destroy all electronic and hard copies of the communication, including attachments. >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. Suggestions: email in plain text w/o attachments, and trust Jesus. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- The revolt is underway, the penguin is coming... I can hear the slap of his little feet... and the squishing of worms and sco lawyers under them... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 14:51:51 -0400 From: James Isennock Subject: RE: fsj: speedometer On a related topic, Has anyone ever figured out what TF 727 speedometer gears correspond to what size tires. I remember from my Mopar racing days that a 10 minute swap in speedo gears was all that was required to keep the speedo accurate after a 30 minute swap in rear axle gears (gotta love that 8-3/4 Mopar rear) If I recall, the gears were different colors for different tooth counts. I have to assume that the 727 in my Waggy would operate on a similar principle. Jay Isennock - -----Original Message----- From: john [mailto:john-at-wagoneers.com] Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 2:44 PM To: Faith Jeff Cc: 'fsj-at-digest.net' Subject: Re: fsj: speedometer On Mon, 15 Sep 2003, Faith Jeff wrote: >-->hi folks- >--> >-->the speedometer (and odometer) in my 90 gw does not work....hasn't since i >-->bought it a year ago. if i disconnect the cable from the xfer case, i can >-->spin the wire, and make the stuff in the dash turn. >--> >-->when it's threaded into the xfer case, it does not engage. pull the gear out of the xfr case... does it have teeth? is the cable engaging? look inside is there teeth on the little roller inside there? john >--> >-->ideas? >--> >-->thanks, >-->jeff >--> >--> >-->This electronic message transmission, including any attachments, contains information from Prescription Solutions which may be confidential or privileged. The information is intended to be for the use of the individual or entity named above. If you ar e not the intended recipient, be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information is prohibited. >--> >-->If you have received this electronic transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately by a "reply to sender only" message and destroy all electronic and hard copies of the communication, including attachments. >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. Suggestions: email in plain text w/o attachments, and trust Jesus. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- The revolt is underway, the penguin is coming... I can hear the slap of his little feet... and the squishing of worms and sco lawyers under them... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 12:30:11 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: RE: fsj: speedometer On Mon, 15 Sep 2003, James Isennock wrote: >-->On a related topic, >-->Has anyone ever figured out what TF 727 speedometer gears correspond to what >-->size tires. I remember from my Mopar racing days that a 10 minute swap in >-->speedo gears was all that was required to keep the speedo accurate after a >-->30 minute swap in rear axle gears (gotta love that 8-3/4 Mopar rear) If I >-->recall, the gears were different colors for different tooth counts. I have >-->to assume that the 727 in my Waggy would operate on a similar principle. exactly... one tooth is equal to about 3%. I think... ;) the NP xfr cases are somewhat interchangeable... somewhat... ;) john >--> >-->Jay Isennock >--> >-->-----Original Message----- >-->From: john [mailto:john-at-wagoneers.com] >-->Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 2:44 PM >-->To: Faith Jeff >-->Cc: 'fsj-at-digest.net' >-->Subject: Re: fsj: speedometer >--> >--> >-->On Mon, 15 Sep 2003, Faith Jeff wrote: >--> >-->>-->hi folks- >-->>--> >-->>-->the speedometer (and odometer) in my 90 gw does not work....hasn't since >-->i >-->>-->bought it a year ago. if i disconnect the cable from the xfer case, i >-->can >-->>-->spin the wire, and make the stuff in the dash turn. >-->>--> >-->>-->when it's threaded into the xfer case, it does not engage. >--> >-->pull the gear out of the xfr case... does it have teeth? is the >-->cable engaging? >--> >-->look inside is there teeth on the little roller inside there? >--> >-->john >--> >-->>--> >-->>-->ideas? >-->>--> >-->>-->thanks, >-->>-->jeff >-->>--> >-->>--> >-->>-->This electronic message transmission, including any attachments, >-->contains information from Prescription Solutions which may be confidential >-->or privileged. The information is intended to be for the use of the >-->individual or entity named above. If you ar >-->e not the intended recipient, be aware that any disclosure, copying, >-->distribution or use of the contents of this information is prohibited. >-->>--> >-->>-->If you have received this electronic transmission in error, please >-->notify the sender immediately by a "reply to sender only" message and >-->destroy all electronic and hard copies of the communication, including >-->attachments. >-->>--> >--> >--> ---- >--> >-->------------------------------------------------------------------------- >--> ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** >--> Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. >--> Suggestions: email in plain text w/o attachments, and trust Jesus. >-->------------------------------------------------------------------------- >-->The revolt is underway, >--> the penguin is coming... >--> I can hear the slap of his little feet... >--> and the squishing of worms and sco lawyers under them... >-->------------------------------------------------------------------------- >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. Suggestions: email in plain text w/o attachments, and trust Jesus. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- The revolt is underway, the penguin is coming... I can hear the slap of his little feet... and the squishing of worms and sco lawyers under them... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #2012 **************************