From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Thu Sep 18 10:55:16 2003 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Thursday, September 18 2003 Volume 01 : Number 2014 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: fsj: Colorado J10 Re: fsj: Colorado J10 RE: fsj: Colorado J10 RE: fsj: Colorado J10 RE: fsj: Colorado J10 RE: fsj: Colorado J10 fsj: overheating problems Re: fsj: overheating problems Re: fsj: overheating problems RE: fsj: overheating problems RE: fsj: overheating problems FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 07:21:58 -0700 From: Tesar Landon-r16884 Subject: fsj: Colorado J10 This one in Colorado is tempting, manual trans and D20 and all. Gimme gears!! http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2432141427&category=6286 So what would it take to find a 6 cyl, 4.0 or 4.2, I don't care, and slap a carb on it, find an original driveshaft(s) and put this puppy on the road? - - Landon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 15:39:21 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: fsj: Colorado J10 last year? wider axles? tipped over? huh? $400 is what he'll pay to have it hauled off? ;) the last year was '86. john On Wed, 17 Sep 2003, Tesar Landon-r16884 wrote: >-->This one in Colorado is tempting, manual trans and D20 and all. Gimme gears!! >--> >-->http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2432141427&category=6286 >--> >-->So what would it take to find a 6 cyl, 4.0 or 4.2, I don't care, and slap a carb on it, find an original driveshaft(s) and put this puppy on the road? >--> >-->- Landon >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. Suggestions: email in plain text w/o attachments, and trust Jesus. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- The revolt is underway, the penguin is coming... I can hear the slap of his little feet... and the squishing of worms and sco lawyers under them... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 16:00:20 -0700 From: Tesar Landon-r16884 Subject: RE: fsj: Colorado J10 I'm not trying to say it's a beatiful example, merely a way to get into a J-Truck without a bunch of rust, for not too much bucks. No question, POs leave something to be desired....is it salvageable? - - L - -----Original Message----- From: john [mailto:john-at-wagoneers.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 5:39 PM To: Tesar Landon-r16884 Cc: fsj-at-digest.net Subject: Re: fsj: Colorado J10 last year? wider axles? tipped over? huh? $400 is what he'll pay to have it hauled off? ;) the last year was '86. john On Wed, 17 Sep 2003, Tesar Landon-r16884 wrote: >-->This one in Colorado is tempting, manual trans and D20 and all. Gimme gears!! >--> >-->http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2432141427&category=6286 >--> >-->So what would it take to find a 6 cyl, 4.0 or 4.2, I don't care, and slap a carb on it, find an original driveshaft(s) and put this puppy on the road? >--> >-->- Landon >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. Suggestions: email in plain text w/o attachments, and trust Jesus. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- The revolt is underway, the penguin is coming... I can hear the slap of his little feet... and the squishing of worms and sco lawyers under them... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 16:12:17 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: RE: fsj: Colorado J10 On Wed, 17 Sep 2003, Tesar Landon-r16884 wrote: >-->I'm not trying to say it's a beatiful example, merely a way to get into a J-Truck without a bunch of rust, for not too much bucks. No question, POs leave something to be desired....is it salvageable? >--> >-->- L sure, anything is salvageable... the axle thing is weird... what were they thinking? john >--> >-->-----Original Message----- >-->From: john [mailto:john-at-wagoneers.com] >-->Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 5:39 PM >-->To: Tesar Landon-r16884 >-->Cc: fsj-at-digest.net >-->Subject: Re: fsj: Colorado J10 >--> >--> >--> >-->last year? >-->wider axles? >-->tipped over? >--> >-->huh? >--> >-->$400 is what he'll pay to have it hauled off? ;) >--> >-->the last year was '86. >--> >-->john >--> >-->On Wed, 17 Sep 2003, Tesar Landon-r16884 wrote: >--> >-->>-->This one in Colorado is tempting, manual trans and D20 and all. Gimme gears!! >-->>--> >-->>-->http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2432141427&category=6286 >-->>--> >-->>-->So what would it take to find a 6 cyl, 4.0 or 4.2, I don't care, and slap a carb on it, find an original driveshaft(s) and put this puppy on the road? >-->>--> >-->>-->- Landon >-->>--> >--> >--> ---- >--> >-->------------------------------------------------------------------------- >--> ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** >--> Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. >--> Suggestions: email in plain text w/o attachments, and trust Jesus. >-->------------------------------------------------------------------------- >-->The revolt is underway, >--> the penguin is coming... >--> I can hear the slap of his little feet... >--> and the squishing of worms and sco lawyers under them... >-->------------------------------------------------------------------------- >--> >--> >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. Suggestions: email in plain text w/o attachments, and trust Jesus. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- The revolt is underway, the penguin is coming... I can hear the slap of his little feet... and the squishing of worms and sco lawyers under them... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 16:33:23 -0700 From: Tesar Landon-r16884 Subject: RE: fsj: Colorado J10 That was probably after the first time they tipped it over, and revved the engine w/o oil pressure, hence the V8. Doesn't that sound like Wide-Track Honcho axles? What's wierd about it, besides the silly rims? - - Landon - -----Original Message----- From: john [mailto:john-at-wagoneers.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 6:12 PM To: Tesar Landon-r16884 Cc: fsj-at-digest.net Subject: RE: fsj: Colorado J10 On Wed, 17 Sep 2003, Tesar Landon-r16884 wrote: >-->I'm not trying to say it's a beatiful example, merely a way to get into a J-Truck without a bunch of rust, for not too much bucks. No question, POs leave something to be desired....is it salvageable? >--> >-->- L sure, anything is salvageable... the axle thing is weird... what were they thinking? john ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 16:41:15 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: RE: fsj: Colorado J10 On Wed, 17 Sep 2003, Tesar Landon-r16884 wrote: >-->That was probably after the first time they tipped it over, and revved the engine w/o oil pressure, hence the V8. >-->Doesn't that sound like Wide-Track Honcho axles? What's wierd about it, besides the silly rims? j10's came with the widetrac axles... the honcho's had larger rims with offset john >--> >-->- Landon >-->-----Original Message----- >-->From: john [mailto:john-at-wagoneers.com] >-->Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 6:12 PM >-->To: Tesar Landon-r16884 >-->Cc: fsj-at-digest.net >-->Subject: RE: fsj: Colorado J10 >--> >--> >-->On Wed, 17 Sep 2003, Tesar Landon-r16884 wrote: >--> >-->>-->I'm not trying to say it's a beatiful example, merely a way to get into a J-Truck without a bunch of rust, for not too much bucks. No question, POs leave something to be desired....is it salvageable? >-->>--> >-->>-->- L >--> >--> >-->sure, anything is salvageable... the axle thing is weird... what were they thinking? >--> >-->john >--> >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. Suggestions: email in plain text w/o attachments, and trust Jesus. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- The revolt is underway, the penguin is coming... I can hear the slap of his little feet... and the squishing of worms and sco lawyers under them... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 20:44:56 -0700 (PDT) From: charles calire Subject: fsj: overheating problems I'm having cooling problems with my '88 GW. I recently replaced the frost plug, water pump and several hoses. The radiator is only about 2 years old and seems to be in good shape. I did leave out the thermostat on the advice of a mechanic. I drive aprox 25 miles to work. The temperature gauge is reading about 230. It hasn't gone into the red zone yet, maybe because I'm driving with the heater on. There is nothing like driving in South Florida with your heater on:) I have no white smoke, no leaks, no antifreeze in my oil, so I think my head gasket is okay. I checked my radiator and it seems to be working as everything is swirling around when she idles. I really love this bucket of bolts but this is really driving me crazy. Any help would be appreciated Charles, list lurker '88 GW "Raindog" __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 01:06:16 CDT From: Dan Black Subject: Re: fsj: overheating problems charles calire said: {- I'm having cooling problems with my '88 GW. I {- recently replaced the frost plug, water pump and {- several hoses. The radiator is only about 2 years old {- and seems to be in good shape. I did leave out the {- thermostat on the advice of a mechanic. Sounds like you got the radiator new. Did you get the water pump new, or rebuilt? I've heard of people going through two or three of those before getting one that worked correctly... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dead puppies aren't much fun. - -------------- Dan Black ------------------------- dan-at-black.org -------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 08:57:55 CDT From: Dan Black Subject: Re: fsj: overheating problems charles calire said: {- The water pump is new. Fresh off the shelf from {- Napa. I'm baffled, then. I had a problem once in an XJ where it kept slowly overheating (summer in Iowa didn't help). At the time, I was a student, and my dad was paying the mechanic's bills, so he kept deciding what to do, and they replaced the water pump and thermostat at least two or three times, but never the radiator. I kept telling him to have them check the radiator, but they always said water was flowing through it just fine. The trick was, they didn't have any way to see if it was actually cooling the water. It was actually somewhat plugged or had gunk built up on the sides or something, so the water wasn't really contacting much metal, and so it _wasn't_ distributing heat, despite flowing water through it. So when he finally had them core the radiator (after it was passed on to my sister), it fixed everything. Kinda frustrating incident, and with a newish radiator that shouldn't be the problem, but it did teach me there are only so many things that could possibly be wrong with the cooling system. Talking to a friend (whose dad went through two bad new water pumps on a '68 'Vette) suggested a collapsing hose or a shot head gasket. He says if the head gasket is making it leak inside the engine, check the oil to see if it measures too high (leaking into the oil), or watch for white smoke (leaking into the cylinder). He also says there would be quite a bit of it in the oil if that's where it's leaking, and points out water is heavier than oil, so if that's the case, if you let it sit a bit and pull the drain plug, the water will flow out first. (Still want to replace the oil after fixing the head gasket, I'm sure, maybe a couple times withing a few hundred miles, but you could at least tell if that's what's happening with the oil level and drain trick.) About collapsing hoses, he says: And the hose collapsing could happen only at higher speeds, especially since there's no thermostat so as he speeds up there is no restrictor to slow the water down. If the radiator can't match the flow, then it will suck the hose shut like a straw. That's part of the reason for the springs in some hoses. So one way to check that is see if it isn't overheating at idle, when you can see the hoses aren't collapsed. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Raising kids is like being pecked to death by a duck. - -------------- Dan Black ------------------------- dan-at-black.org -------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 10:00:44 -0400 From: James Isennock Subject: RE: fsj: overheating problems Put a thermostat in. The cooling system needs a bit of restriction to slow down the water as it passes through the radiator so it has time to shed some heat. James Isennock - -----Original Message----- From: Dan Black [mailto:dan-at-black.org] Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2003 9:58 AM To: Full Size Jeeps Subject: Re: fsj: overheating problems charles calire said: {- The water pump is new. Fresh off the shelf from {- Napa. I'm baffled, then. I had a problem once in an XJ where it kept slowly overheating (summer in Iowa didn't help). At the time, I was a student, and my dad was paying the mechanic's bills, so he kept deciding what to do, and they replaced the water pump and thermostat at least two or three times, but never the radiator. I kept telling him to have them check the radiator, but they always said water was flowing through it just fine. The trick was, they didn't have any way to see if it was actually cooling the water. It was actually somewhat plugged or had gunk built up on the sides or something, so the water wasn't really contacting much metal, and so it _wasn't_ distributing heat, despite flowing water through it. So when he finally had them core the radiator (after it was passed on to my sister), it fixed everything. Kinda frustrating incident, and with a newish radiator that shouldn't be the problem, but it did teach me there are only so many things that could possibly be wrong with the cooling system. Talking to a friend (whose dad went through two bad new water pumps on a '68 'Vette) suggested a collapsing hose or a shot head gasket. He says if the head gasket is making it leak inside the engine, check the oil to see if it measures too high (leaking into the oil), or watch for white smoke (leaking into the cylinder). He also says there would be quite a bit of it in the oil if that's where it's leaking, and points out water is heavier than oil, so if that's the case, if you let it sit a bit and pull the drain plug, the water will flow out first. (Still want to replace the oil after fixing the head gasket, I'm sure, maybe a couple times withing a few hundred miles, but you could at least tell if that's what's happening with the oil level and drain trick.) About collapsing hoses, he says: And the hose collapsing could happen only at higher speeds, especially since there's no thermostat so as he speeds up there is no restrictor to slow the water down. If the radiator can't match the flow, then it will suck the hose shut like a straw. That's part of the reason for the springs in some hoses. So one way to check that is see if it isn't overheating at idle, when you can see the hoses aren't collapsed. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - --- Raising kids is like being pecked to death by a duck. - -------------- Dan Black ------------------------- dan-at-black.org - -------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 10:14:51 -0700 (PDT) From: charles calire Subject: RE: fsj: overheating problems James, I have heard it said there are two sides to every story. I guess this is one of those instances. I have heard several different reasons for taking out or leaving in the thermostat. What to do...What to do(sigh) - --- James Isennock wrote: > Put a thermostat in. > The cooling system needs a bit of restriction to > slow down the water as it > passes through the radiator so it has time to shed > some heat. > > James Isennock > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dan Black [mailto:dan-at-black.org] > Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2003 9:58 AM > To: Full Size Jeeps > Subject: Re: fsj: overheating problems > > > charles calire said: > {- The water pump is new. Fresh off the shelf > from > {- Napa. > > I'm baffled, then. I had a problem once in an XJ > where it kept slowly > overheating (summer in Iowa didn't help). At the > time, I was a student, > and my dad was paying the mechanic's bills, so he > kept deciding what to > do, and they replaced the water pump and thermostat > at least two or > three times, but never the radiator. I kept telling > him to have them > check the radiator, but they always said water was > flowing through it > just fine. The trick was, they didn't have any way > to see if it was > actually cooling the water. It was actually > somewhat plugged or had > gunk built up on the sides or something, so the > water wasn't really > contacting much metal, and so it _wasn't_ > distributing heat, despite > flowing water through it. So when he finally had > them core the radiator > (after it was passed on to my sister), it fixed > everything. Kinda > frustrating incident, and with a newish radiator > that shouldn't be the > problem, but it did teach me there are only so many > things that could > possibly be wrong with the cooling system. > > Talking to a friend (whose dad went through two bad > new water pumps on a > '68 'Vette) suggested a collapsing hose or a shot > head gasket. > > He says if the head gasket is making it leak inside > the engine, check > the oil to see if it measures too high (leaking into > the oil), or watch > for white smoke (leaking into the cylinder). He > also says there would > be quite a bit of it in the oil if that's where it's > leaking, and points > out water is heavier than oil, so if that's the > case, if you let it sit > a bit and pull the drain plug, the water will flow > out first. (Still > want to replace the oil after fixing the head > gasket, I'm sure, maybe a > couple times withing a few hundred miles, but you > could at least tell > if that's what's happening with the oil level and > drain trick.) > > About collapsing hoses, he says: > > And the hose collapsing could happen only at > higher speeds, > especially since there's no thermostat so as he > speeds up there is no > restrictor to slow the water down. If the > radiator can't match the > flow, then it will suck the hose shut like a > straw. That's part of > the reason for the springs in some hoses. > > So one way to check that is see if it isn't > overheating at idle, when > you can see the hoses aren't collapsed. > > - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > --- > Raising kids is like being pecked to death by > a duck. > -------------- Dan Black ------------------------- > dan-at-black.org > -------------- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #2014 **************************