From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Wed Oct 1 09:30:02 2003 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Wednesday, October 1 2003 Volume 01 : Number 2023 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: fsj: Re: Parting out Rez fsj: Re: J-10 body repair fsj: Re: Looking for electric diagram fsj: Re: Re: J-10 body repair fsj: OT: Anyone want to buy an Antique Organ? fsj: administrivia: notes on using this list FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 18:52:24 -0500 From: "Vince Orr" Subject: fsj: Re: Parting out Rez Rez is an '81 and most of the chrome is falling off the front bumper. Looks slightly tweaked on the left from what I was told was an encounter with a log truck in Montana.... I had planned to get a matching front bumper from Killer 32 but now glad I didn't. If you know anyone who wants a great engine and a spare tranny (727) and np219 transfer case, let me know. I'm seriously leaning toward parting out Rez Runner at this point. - --Vince ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard K. Means The front bumper is in bad shape? Is it whole but dented, cracked or broken? I thought the only problem was in the rear. Rich ----- Original Message ----- From: Vince Orr OK. You probably wouldn't want my bumper though, it is in pretty bad shape. --Vince ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard K. Means Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2003 11:44 AM Subject: Parting out Rez Vince, Sorry to hear about Rez. If you're parting him out, Moby Dick, my '86 Grand Waggie, sure could use a new front bumper and, no doubt, other parts. I have a new 6 cyl. engine and auto tranny so I don't need drive train. I am in Chicago, so I can come to you but I'm no mechanic. Keep me in mind. Rich ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 22:29:24 -0700 From: "Jim Rogers" Subject: fsj: Re: J-10 body repair Here are links to "Rust Destroyer" http://www.rust007.com/html/rust_destroyer_info.htm and "Extend" http://www.meyerplastics.com/adhesives_seal_tape/extend_rust.htm They essentially chemically convert rust into primer. After reading up on POR-15, it looks like "Extend" and "Rust Destroyer" are equivalent to step 2 of their 4 step process. POR-15 sounds like a good product, but I think I still like "Extend" followed by undercoating for its ease of application. Also, undercoating remains flexible, which means it's less likely to crack and let water in. Not to mention is makes for effective sound deadening. Just my two cents worth. Everyone has their preferred methods. This one has worked well for me over the past twenty years of so. Jim Rogers 67 Super Wagoneer (Restoration in progress) - -----Original Message----- From: owner-fsj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-fsj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of Neal Hoover Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 3:42 AM To: fsj-at-digest.net Subject: fsj: Re: J-10 body repair thanks for the response, Jim. what exactly is a rust "converter?" is it similar to POR-15? are you suggesting using it as a base coat behind the paint and primer or trying to use it as a rust inhibitor on the back side of the metal? thanks again! oh - any web sites about Extend or Rust Destroyer? Neal A. Hoover Project '76 J-10 (on hiatus) Project '96 XJ (revived) - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Rogers" To: "'Neal Hoover'" ; Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 12:07 AM Subject: RE: J-10 body repair > I have restored several old vehicles (but admittedly never a J-10) and > have had good luck using rust converters like "Extend" or "Rust > Destroyer". Just brush it on and let it dry at least twenty four > hours. They can then be primed and painted, or under coated. I would > also use a flexible seam sealer inside the truck bed, between the bed > and side walls, to help keep moisture out. > > Typically you will not have problems with rust attacking from behind > unless it is an area where water gets trapped. If this is the case I > suggest installing some drain holes. The larger the better, so they > are less likely to get plugged up with dirt and debris. As long as the > area can breathe it should be ok for a long time. > > Pre 1980 Chevy truck fenders are a perfect example of plugged drain > holes. I'm sure you've seen them. The lower parts of the fenders fill > up with dirt, can't dry out, and rust through in short order. They had > the same problem with their truck bed sides above the wheel wells. A > design flaw that trapped dirt and water. Of course since 1980 they > have been galvanizing the sheet metal which solved the problem. > > Keep those drain holes clear and you shouldn't have any problems. :) > > Jim Rogers > 67 Super Wagoneer (Restoration in progress) > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-fsj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-fsj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of > Neal Hoover > Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2003 7:58 AM > To: fsj-at-digest.net > Subject: fsj: J-10 body repair > > ok, all- > i'm not far from actually starting on restoring the body on my '76 > J-10. it's in pretty rough shape, which is why i also have a body from > a, '84 pickup to swap parts with. the '84 is far from perfect, but > it's still much better than the '76. i plan on using the bed and > doors from the '84 and maybe the front fenders. i'll definitely buy > new rocker panels and front > fenders if i need to. > my question is this: when doing body work on the bed especially, how in > the > heck have you guys gotten behind the sheet metal to fix internal rust > spots, > layer on some POR-15, or other preventative measures to keep the rust > from > eating its way inside out? my fear is that i fix the rust problems on > the > outer surface, but a year or so down the road, rust eats its way from > the > back side and ruins a completely fine new paint job. i'm not worried > about > the job being *perfect*, i just don't want a lot of work to be ruined a > few > years after it's done. > > any other tips/pointers on body resto work on a J pickup? thanks!!! > > Neal A. Hoover > Project '76 J-10 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 22:53:46 -0700 From: john Subject: fsj: Re: Looking for electric diagram At 05:27 PM 9/19/2003, jesus wrote: >Hi John. I'm from writing from Mexico. I have a Jeep Wagoneer ' 81 and I'm >looking for a diagram to repair the electric installation. I hope you >could help me. Blessings. > >P.D. Please answer to gitano-at-correo.unam.mx, >so I'm writing from a coffee. Thanks. http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/tech/Wiring I took pictures of the print outs that I had, but I found more schematics in this directory that might help. john - ------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... Jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 07:13:07 -0400 From: "Neal Hoover" Subject: fsj: Re: Re: J-10 body repair and thank you, Jim! good info to know. funny you should mention sound deadening. it seems my XJ and J-10 are going in two opposite directions. the XJ is getting internal and external body panels removed, metal cut out, and insulation thrown away. the J-10 on the other hand is getting the velvet glove treatent. :) thanks again. Neal A. Hoover Project '76 J-10 (on hiatus) Project '96 XJ (revived) - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Rogers" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 1:29 AM Subject: fsj: Re: J-10 body repair > Here are links to "Rust Destroyer" > http://www.rust007.com/html/rust_destroyer_info.htm and "Extend" > http://www.meyerplastics.com/adhesives_seal_tape/extend_rust.htm They > essentially chemically convert rust into primer. > > After reading up on POR-15, it looks like "Extend" and "Rust Destroyer" > are equivalent to step 2 of their 4 step process. POR-15 sounds like a > good product, but I think I still like "Extend" followed by undercoating > for its ease of application. Also, undercoating remains flexible, which > means it's less likely to crack and let water in. Not to mention is > makes for effective sound deadening. > > Just my two cents worth. Everyone has their preferred methods. This one > has worked well for me over the past twenty years of so. > > Jim Rogers > 67 Super Wagoneer (Restoration in progress) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 14:46:29 -0700 From: "Jim Blair" Subject: fsj: OT: Anyone want to buy an Antique Organ? http://www.snort4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=27954#post27954 yes, it's mine! It's so old it has tubes, but the kicker is it still works! A few of the reed valves are sticking a bit and the finish needs redoing (unless you like the "distressed" look of 3 generations of kids). I'm getting ready to sell my house and move on to where I can play with my rigs and make less money but still maintain a decent lifestyle! (currently costs me about $2,000 a month to live in Seattle) $500 obo (go ahead and make an offer! Delivery is available between Seattle and the BC border along I-5 corridor) build your truck right the first time!Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 06:15:00 +0000 From: Richard Welty Subject: fsj: administrivia: notes on using this list Digest.Net mailing list "Meta FAQ" These general notes on using Digest.Net mailing lists are posted on the 1st and 15th of each month. This file may be found on the web at http://www.digest.net/general-notes.txt [last revised 5/1/02; removed list of spam strings, as i'm not the only one filtering on them -- rpw] Additional information on Digest.Net's spam policies may be found at http://www.digest.net/email-policy.html and http://www.digest.net/blocked.html Table of Contents 1. Why don't my postings go through? 2. Why can't I unsubscribe? 3. How do I post to the list? 4. Where are the archives? 5. What other lists are on digest.net? 6. Is there a web subscription form? 7. Why not move the lists to someplace like (egroups, topica,...)? 8. 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