From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Mon Feb 9 14:53:36 2004 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Monday, February 9 2004 Volume 01 : Number 2099 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: fsj: Speaking of disk brakes - how about the front? fsj: Any idea what Jeep these springs fit? fsj: Re: Speaking of disk brakes - how about the front? Re: fsj: Re: Speaking of disk brakes - how about the front? fsj: Re: Speaking of disk brakes - how about the front? fsj: who was looking for a propane powered big-block ? FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 13:31:24 -0800 From: "Jim Blair" Subject: Re: fsj: Speaking of disk brakes - how about the front? A: You want Ford 1/2 ton disc brakes (or the CJ conversion kit for Dana 44), BUT trying to find a closed knuckle with discs may be an issue. I was going to upgrade my front drums to disc as well, but since I don't like the closed knuckle turning radius, I'm changing the whole axle. Since Ford used driver's drop, that's not an option for yours. Maybe '80 or newer Dodge? (supposed to be 5 on 5.5 pattern) From: Subject: fsj: Speaking of disk brakes - how about the front? While everyone is on the subject of disk brake conversions... Anyone have a good resource for info on converting *front* drums to disks? I have a Wagoneer Dana 44 front axle with disks that I am planning to swap into my '69 Wagoneer but I want to keep the original bolt pattern so I can use the original wheels and hub caps (I have plain flanges and full hubcaps on the front - no locking hubs - and I want to keep it that way). I have seen a couple of pages showing conversions using GM disks and hubs, but anyone have a definitive guide? Everything I've seen seems to be aimed at Scouts and Broncos... Thanks, Chris Stevens '69 Wagoneer. Completely original and stock, never seen dirt. (I know - heresy!) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 15:50:39 -0800 From: "Jim Blair" Subject: fsj: Any idea what Jeep these springs fit? I have a pair of near new springs with #3754 painted on them and "Made in Canada". They are 2 1/2" wide, 56 1/2" eye to eye, 6" of free arch, A =30",(center pin) B =26 1/2", 5 leafs plus an overload with neoprene bushings. I need to dig up some springs for my son's '83 Cherokee WT buggy we are going to build (sold the old ones and forgot to measure them) and I need a pair of old J4000 main leaves (I may buy a pair of new mains and just open the ends of my old ones to look like military wrap). Neither of my Jtrucks have that length front or rear (even the too short 6" rear lift springs on my '84 J10 are longer than that) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 20:18:03 EST From: Brazzadog-at-aol.com Subject: fsj: Re: Speaking of disk brakes - how about the front? One of the reasons you see so much information for Scouts and Bronco's is because they have the same problem you and I do. Drum brakes and a 5 x 5.5 wheel bolt pattern. This same bolt pattern was used on 2 and 4 wheel drive Ford 1/2 ton/Bronco from about '73 to '95. Those are the years you need parts from. Ford spindles from those years used the same wheel bearings as Chevy until about mid-year '74 and Jeep until about '76. After that Chevy and Jeep went to a larger bearing and spindle. If you can get an axle from an early Chevy/Jeep with the smaller bearing/spindle then you can just slide the Ford hub/rotor over the spindle and you're there. Or you can find an early spindle to put on a later Chevy/Jeep axle. You can't easily swap on a Ford spindle cause it uses 5 bolts rather than 6. Once you get that done you pull the check valve out of the front side of the master cylinder and you should be home free. Don't be fooled into thinking I'm an expert because I did all the research about 5 years ago and probably forgotten a few things. I've since lost all my really good documentation, but I got it all off the internet. I've had all the parts laying around here for 3 or 4 years and haven't gotten around to installing them yet. At this point I doubt I ever will. It sure would be nice to have disc brakes and a better turning radius though. Ben Williams '71 Wagoneer Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 08:58:18 -0800 From: cstevens-at-flyingmachinedevelopment.com >While everyone is on the subject of disk brake conversions... Anyone >have a good resource for info on converting *front* drums to disks? I >have a Wagoneer Dana 44 front axle with disks that I am planning to swap >into my '69 Wagoneer but I want to keep the original bolt pattern so I >can use the original wheels and hub caps (I have plain flanges and full >hubcaps on the front - no locking hubs - and I want to keep it that >way). I have seen a couple of pages showing conversions using GM disks >and hubs, but anyone have a definitive guide? Everything I've seen seems >to be aimed at Scouts and Broncos... > >Thanks, > >Chris Stevens >'69 Wagoneer. Completely original and stock, never seen dirt. (I know - >heresy!) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2004 21:11:56 -0500 From: Robert Brooks Subject: Re: fsj: Re: Speaking of disk brakes - how about the front? Ben Ford used 5 on 5.5 from 1940 till 1995. Bob At 08:18 PM 2/7/04 -0500, Brazzadog-at-aol.com wrote: >One of the reasons you see so much information for Scouts and Bronco's is >because they have the same problem you and I do. Drum brakes and a 5 x >5.5 wheel >bolt pattern. This same bolt pattern was used on 2 and 4 wheel drive Ford >1/2 ton/Bronco from about '73 to '95. Those are the years you need parts >from. >Ford spindles from those years used the same wheel bearings as Chevy until >about mid-year '74 and Jeep until about '76. After that Chevy and Jeep >went to >a larger bearing and spindle. If you can get an axle from an early >Chevy/Jeep >with the smaller bearing/spindle then you can just slide the Ford hub/rotor >over the spindle and you're there. Or you can find an early spindle to >put on >a later Chevy/Jeep axle. You can't easily swap on a Ford spindle cause it >uses 5 bolts rather than 6. Once you get that done you pull the check >valve out >of the front side of the master cylinder and you should be home free. > >Don't be fooled into thinking I'm an expert because I did all the research >about 5 years ago and probably forgotten a few things. I've since lost >all my >really good documentation, but I got it all off the internet. I've had >all the >parts laying around here for 3 or 4 years and haven't gotten around to >installing them yet. At this point I doubt I ever will. It sure would >be nice to >have disc brakes and a better turning radius though. > >Ben Williams >'71 Wagoneer > > >Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 08:58:18 -0800 >From: cstevens-at-flyingmachinedevelopment.com > >While everyone is on the subject of disk brake conversions... Anyone > >have a good resource for info on converting *front* drums to disks? I > >have a Wagoneer Dana 44 front axle with disks that I am planning to swap > >into my '69 Wagoneer but I want to keep the original bolt pattern so I > >can use the original wheels and hub caps (I have plain flanges and full > >hubcaps on the front - no locking hubs - and I want to keep it that > >way). I have seen a couple of pages showing conversions using GM disks > >and hubs, but anyone have a definitive guide? Everything I've seen seems > >to be aimed at Scouts and Broncos... > > > >Thanks, > > > >Chris Stevens > >'69 Wagoneer. Completely original and stock, never seen dirt. (I know - > >heresy!) Bob Brooks rbrooks-at-hvc.rr.com "It takes courage to grow up and turn out to be who you really are." - - ee cummings ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 22:54:55 EST From: Brazzadog-at-aol.com Subject: fsj: Re: Speaking of disk brakes - how about the front? Could be. What's really relevant, in this case, is when they used them on 4x4s. I'm surprised they used that pattern on pickups so far back. Seems like most of the older trucks I've seen, regardless of make, had a bolt pattern that we'd consider goofy today. Maybe I've just been around too many old Dodges and Studebakers. Ben Williams '71 Wagoneer In a message dated 2/7/2004 6:12:25 PM Pacific Standard Time, rbrooks-at-hvc.rr.com writes: >Ben > >Ford used 5 on 5.5 from 1940 till 1995. > >Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 12:01:02 -0800 From: "Faith Jeff" Subject: fsj: who was looking for a propane powered big-block ? http://www.recycler.com/asp/AdDetails.asp?iID=34908&sBAC=818&bSQ=0 This electronic message transmission, including any attachments, contains information from Prescription Solutions which may be confidential or privileged. The information is intended to be for the use of the individual or entity named above. 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