From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Fri Feb 13 08:22:46 2004 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Friday, February 13 2004 Volume 01 : Number 2101 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: fsj: Opening Engine fsj: RE: Opening Engine fsj: Re: test FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 15:41:48 -0700 From: Tesar Landon-r16884 Subject: fsj: Opening Engine Hi Dalan, this is by no means comprehensive, but the access gives opportunity.... Valve cover gaskets Timing chain would be great Intake manifold, but may get a lot of dirt in the engine... Exhaust manifold gaskets, and probably new bolts for these The vacuum lines that lead to the gas tank with those crimp connectors between the firewall and the passenger side head Look for bent pushrods, at least rotate them in place, if you can pull them and roll them on a flat surface, that's a better check, sure would like to do that to mine... Don't need to tell you about new motor mounts New freeze plugs and a chance to really flush the coolant through the block I wouldn't worry too much about the oil pump gears. This can be done with a little more trouble with the engine in place. If you do work on the front cover, this is the key, to look at the wear in the front cover where the oil pump gears work. Also, don't use a thick gasket on the oil pump end plate cover. This will make the pump inefficient, as oil pools there. A few thousandths thickness in gasket thickness makes a difference. I think I used a .005" thick gasket, made from plastic sheet. Ooh! front timing chain seal, and rear main seal. Yes, that would be good. And I would say a transmission front seal, and shifter shaft seal, and dipstick seal.(not sure how realistic these are as a result of the engine removal...) - - Landon '89 GW Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 22:23:25 -0800 From: "Dalan Hawker" Subject: fsj: Opening Engine - What should I do? I have pulled the engine out of my '87 Grand Wagoneer to paint the firewall, engine and engine bay. The engine has about 255k kilometers (Canada eh!) running on propane since approx. 1991. I have no history or papers on the engine or anything that has been done on it, but after removing it I would say it has never been out of the vehicle. The bolts (exterior) were all rusted and the motor mount bolts were rusted right through. Soon as I began lifting the engine the motor mount bolts broke off. It was running fine before removing it (no knocks, puffs of smoke, oil in water, etc). It had oil and grime all over the engine and undercarriage so I don't know what is leaking from where. It would smoke after about 2 minutes running from oil running onto the exhaust manifold. I am assuming that this was from the valve cover but I am not sure (too much oil around engine). Barring the fact that I may need a complete rebuild, I would like to do what I can (or should) while the engine is out. The problem is I am not sure what I should replace or check while it is out. I have ordered a new set of oil pump gears and high pressure spring and mid-plate from bulltear. I assume a new double-roller timing chain and gears as well as complete gasket set for the engine. Any other obvious things I should be replacing or looking out for? Seals, lifters, valve springs? I am new to all this mechanics stuff, but I am enjoying taking things apart :-) Hopefully I will still remember how to put them all back together. At least I am buying lots of cool tools, and that is always a plus, even if I never get the rig back together. Thanks for any help. Dalan Hawker - ------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 19:52:01 -0800 From: "Dalan Hawker" Subject: fsj: RE: Opening Engine Thanks for your input. I will definitely add your suggestions to my list. Dalan - -----Original Message----- From: Tesar Landon-r16884 [mailto:landon.tesar-at-motorola.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2004 2:42 PM To: Dalan Hawker; 'fsj-at-digest.net' Subject: fsj: Opening Engine Hi Dalan, this is by no means comprehensive, but the access gives opportunity.... Valve cover gaskets Timing chain would be great Intake manifold, but may get a lot of dirt in the engine... Exhaust manifold gaskets, and probably new bolts for these The vacuum lines that lead to the gas tank with those crimp connectors between the firewall and the passenger side head Look for bent pushrods, at least rotate them in place, if you can pull them and roll them on a flat surface, that's a better check, sure would like to do that to mine... Don't need to tell you about new motor mounts New freeze plugs and a chance to really flush the coolant through the block I wouldn't worry too much about the oil pump gears. This can be done with a little more trouble with the engine in place. If you do work on the front cover, this is the key, to look at the wear in the front cover where the oil pump gears work. Also, don't use a thick gasket on the oil pump end plate cover. This will make the pump inefficient, as oil pools there. A few thousandths thickness in gasket thickness makes a difference. I think I used a .005" thick gasket, made from plastic sheet. Ooh! front timing chain seal, and rear main seal. Yes, that would be good. And I would say a transmission front seal, and shifter shaft seal, and dipstick seal.(not sure how realistic these are as a result of the engine removal...) - - Landon '89 GW Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 22:23:25 -0800 From: "Dalan Hawker" Subject: fsj: Opening Engine - What should I do? I have pulled the engine out of my '87 Grand Wagoneer to paint the firewall, engine and engine bay. The engine has about 255k kilometers (Canada eh!) running on propane since approx. 1991. I have no history or papers on the engine or anything that has been done on it, but after removing it I would say it has never been out of the vehicle. The bolts (exterior) were all rusted and the motor mount bolts were rusted right through. Soon as I began lifting the engine the motor mount bolts broke off. It was running fine before removing it (no knocks, puffs of smoke, oil in water, etc). It had oil and grime all over the engine and undercarriage so I don't know what is leaking from where. It would smoke after about 2 minutes running from oil running onto the exhaust manifold. I am assuming that this was from the valve cover but I am not sure (too much oil around engine). Barring the fact that I may need a complete rebuild, I would like to do what I can (or should) while the engine is out. The problem is I am not sure what I should replace or check while it is out. I have ordered a new set of oil pump gears and high pressure spring and mid-plate from bulltear. I assume a new double-roller timing chain and gears as well as complete gasket set for the engine. Any other obvious things I should be replacing or looking out for? Seals, lifters, valve springs? I am new to all this mechanics stuff, but I am enjoying taking things apart :-) Hopefully I will still remember how to put them all back together. At least I am buying lots of cool tools, and that is always a plus, even if I never get the rig back together. Thanks for any help. Dalan Hawker - ------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 22:30:52 -0800 From: john meister Subject: fsj: Re: test from wagoneers.com to comcast.net no problem... no response from digest.net though... john wrote: > test > ---- > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** > Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > - -- ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- * john-at-wagoneers.com * Snohomish, WA USA - http://wagoneers.com where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. ** trust Jesus ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- win, mac & linux: http://www.mozilla.org/ the new alternatives - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #2101 **************************