From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Thu Apr 1 13:15:03 2004 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Thursday, April 1 2004 Volume 01 : Number 2127 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: fsj: distributor options fsj: 79 beater in salt-lake-city (not mine) fsj: Neal's Quick rebuild fsj: Re: Neal's Quick rebuild Re: fsj: Re: Neal's Quick rebuild Re: fsj: Re: Neal's Quick rebuild fsj: administrivia: notes on using this list Re: fsj: Re: Neal's Quick rebuild Re: fsj: Re: Neal's Quick rebuild Re: fsj: Re: Neal's Quick rebuild FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 08:58:32 -0800 From: "Jim Blair" Subject: Re: fsj: distributor options A: With Zack's setup, everything is in the dist. From: "Neal Hoover" Subject: fsj: distributor options welp, i was on track to really considering Zack's HEI-type distributor for the old 360, but recently read in JP magazine about MSDs new distributor unit (P/N 8523) any comments/suggestions as to which way to go? lastly, does an HEI unit completely get rid of the coil set-up as well? i know on MSDs unit, you have to retain or upgrade the coil for it to work. thanks!!! Neal A. Hoover Project '76 J-10 Project '96 XJ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 11:11:22 -0800 From: "Faith Jeff" Subject: fsj: 79 beater in salt-lake-city (not mine) 79 wag for sale on-line http://adcache.collectorcartraderonline.com/10/5/8/40499058.htm looks like it needs 'minor repair'...text says make offer? - -jeff This electronic message transmission, including any attachments, contains information from Prescription Solutions which may be confidential or privileged. The information is intended to be for the use of the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information is prohibited. If you have received this electronic transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately by a "reply to sender only" message and destroy all electronic and hard copies of the communication, including attachments. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 15:59:21 -0700 From: Tesar Landon-r16884 Subject: fsj: Neal's Quick rebuild Hi Neal, thanks for the pictures. Really nice that you shared those with us. Any overall impressions? Looks like a pretty simple engine to deal with, how did you press the piston pins in, or did you disassemble those? That valve was bad, I'm gonna check mine, it's running pretty hot, could be the GMP water pump, which, I believe is shorter than original, too much space between fan and radiator. - - Landon '89 GW ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 18:16:02 -0500 From: "Neal Hoover" Subject: fsj: Re: Neal's Quick rebuild and thanks for the compliments! i didn't take out the wrist pins. they felt very good and not worn. hopefully it wasn't a bad decision. overall impression: no WONDER those AMC motors leak so much oil!!! i saw many places around the mating surfaces (valve cover surface on the heads, especially), that were very irregular and even had some fairly large dips in them, relatively speaking. it definitely wasn't warped or worn in those places, just manufactured that way. copious, but careful amounts of silicon should help out. another area was the intake manifold gasket. at the front and rear where the rubber seals are, there are definite gaps in the corners where the manifold meets the gasket/head/block. again, silicone. yes, that valve needed attention. ;) AFA your overheating goes, i couldn't say exactly, because i haven't had this truck out on the road. i bought it and started tearing it down. i'm sure i'll have issues i haven't considered once i get it on the road. good luck with your overheating woes. btw, are you still running a fan shroud? Neal A. Hoover Project '76 J-10 Project '96 XJ - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tesar Landon-r16884" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 5:59 PM Subject: fsj: Neal's Quick rebuild > Hi Neal, > > thanks for the pictures. Really nice that you shared those with us. Any overall impressions? Looks like a pretty simple engine to deal with, how did you press the piston pins in, or did you disassemble those? That valve was bad, I'm gonna check mine, it's running pretty hot, could be the GMP water pump, which, I believe is shorter than original, too much space between fan and radiator. > > - Landon > '89 GW ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 17:53:46 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: fsj: Re: Neal's Quick rebuild wouldn't liquid steel or another epoxy material be better to fill those gaps instead of silicon??? john On Wed, 31 Mar 2004, Neal Hoover wrote: >-->and thanks for the compliments! >-->i didn't take out the wrist pins. they felt very good and not worn. >-->hopefully it wasn't a bad decision. >-->overall impression: no WONDER those AMC motors leak so much oil!!! i saw >-->many places around the mating surfaces (valve cover surface on the heads, >-->especially), that were very irregular and even had some fairly large dips in >-->them, relatively speaking. it definitely wasn't warped or worn in those >-->places, just manufactured that way. copious, but careful amounts of silicon >-->should help out. another area was the intake manifold gasket. at the front >-->and rear where the rubber seals are, there are definite gaps in the corners >-->where the manifold meets the gasket/head/block. again, silicone. >-->yes, that valve needed attention. ;) >-->AFA your overheating goes, i couldn't say exactly, because i haven't had >-->this truck out on the road. i bought it and started tearing it down. i'm >-->sure i'll have issues i haven't considered once i get it on the road. >-->good luck with your overheating woes. btw, are you still running a fan >-->shroud? >--> >-->Neal A. Hoover >-->Project '76 J-10 >-->Project '96 XJ >-->----- Original Message ----- >-->From: "Tesar Landon-r16884" >-->To: >-->Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 5:59 PM >-->Subject: fsj: Neal's Quick rebuild >--> >--> >-->> Hi Neal, >-->> >-->> thanks for the pictures. Really nice that you shared those with us. Any >-->overall impressions? Looks like a pretty simple engine to deal with, how >-->did you press the piston pins in, or did you disassemble those? That valve >-->was bad, I'm gonna check mine, it's running pretty hot, could be the GMP >-->water pump, which, I believe is shorter than original, too much space >-->between fan and radiator. >-->> >-->> - Landon >-->> '89 GW >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 20:32:33 -0500 From: "Neal Hoover" Subject: Re: fsj: Re: Neal's Quick rebuild you could be very well right. but, we'll see if this fix works for now. have you done that in the past? Neal A. Hoover Project '76 J-10 Project '96 XJ - ----- Original Message ----- From: "john" To: "Neal Hoover" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 8:53 PM Subject: Re: fsj: Re: Neal's Quick rebuild > > wouldn't liquid steel or another epoxy material be > better to fill those gaps instead of silicon??? > > john > > On Wed, 31 Mar 2004, Neal Hoover wrote: > > >-->and thanks for the compliments! > >-->i didn't take out the wrist pins. they felt very good and not worn. > >-->hopefully it wasn't a bad decision. > >-->overall impression: no WONDER those AMC motors leak so much oil!!! i saw > >-->many places around the mating surfaces (valve cover surface on the heads, > >-->especially), that were very irregular and even had some fairly large dips in > >-->them, relatively speaking. it definitely wasn't warped or worn in those > >-->places, just manufactured that way. copious, but careful amounts of silicon > >-->should help out. another area was the intake manifold gasket. at the front > >-->and rear where the rubber seals are, there are definite gaps in the corners > >-->where the manifold meets the gasket/head/block. again, silicone. > >-->yes, that valve needed attention. ;) > >-->AFA your overheating goes, i couldn't say exactly, because i haven't had > >-->this truck out on the road. i bought it and started tearing it down. i'm > >-->sure i'll have issues i haven't considered once i get it on the road. > >-->good luck with your overheating woes. btw, are you still running a fan > >-->shroud? > >--> > >-->Neal A. Hoover > >-->Project '76 J-10 > >-->Project '96 XJ > >-->----- Original Message ----- > >-->From: "Tesar Landon-r16884" > >-->To: > >-->Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 5:59 PM > >-->Subject: fsj: Neal's Quick rebuild > >--> > >--> > >-->> Hi Neal, > >-->> > >-->> thanks for the pictures. Really nice that you shared those with us. Any > >-->overall impressions? Looks like a pretty simple engine to deal with, how > >-->did you press the piston pins in, or did you disassemble those? That valve > >-->was bad, I'm gonna check mine, it's running pretty hot, could be the GMP > >-->water pump, which, I believe is shorter than original, too much space > >-->between fan and radiator. > >-->> > >-->> - Landon > >-->> '89 GW > >--> > > ---- > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** > Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 07:15:00 +0000 From: Richard Welty Subject: fsj: administrivia: notes on using this list Digest.Net mailing list "Meta FAQ" These general notes on using Digest.Net mailing lists are posted on the 1st and 15th of each month. 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Hoover Project '76 J-10 Project '96 XJ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 06:38:36 -0500 From: "Neal Hoover" Subject: Re: fsj: Re: Neal's Quick rebuild ya know, i've always wondered just exactly what *is* the difference between all of the different colored types of silicone??? they all said "hi-temp." and teh specs were all the same. what gives? Neal A. Hoover Project '76 J-10 Project '96 XJ - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Blair" To: "Neal Hoover" ; "john" Cc: Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 3:15 AM Subject: Re: fsj: Re: Neal's Quick rebuild > A: I use black silicone rather than epoxy as it tends to break down with > heat or permanently hold things together! > > > you could be very well right. but, we'll see if this fix works for now. > have you done that in the past? > > Neal A. Hoover > Project '76 J-10 > Project '96 XJ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 12:06:45 -0800 From: "Jim Blair" Subject: Re: fsj: Re: Neal's Quick rebuild A: They have different formulations for different uses. I've used several and for oil the regular black has always worked. Ultra black has leaked a few times as has Ultra-blue. Replaced with regular black and no probs. The oil pan on my son's GF's Montero leaked even after new gaskets so we sealed it with silicone. So far, so good! ya know, i've always wondered just exactly what *is* the difference between all of the different colored types of silicone??? they all said "hi-temp." and teh specs were all the same. what gives? Neal A. Hoover Project '76 J-10 Project '96 XJ ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #2127 **************************