From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Tue Oct 12 12:32:50 2004 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Tuesday, October 12 2004 Volume 01 : Number 2275 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: fsj: Re: Re: failed emission test fsj: Re: Re: The Last Parts!!!! fsj: another busy day fsj: Re: another busy day RE: fsj: '89 GW - Goneskies RE: fsj: '89 GW - Goneskies fsj: OT: funny movie Re: fsj: OT: funny movie fsj: Unusual Vacuum Routing Question fsj: Re: Unusual Vacuum Routing Question Re: fsj: OT: funny movie Re: fsj: OT: funny movie Re: fsj: another busy day FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 21:54:37 -0700 From: "Jim Blair" Subject: fsj: Re: Re: failed emission test A: Speaking of powervalves, I just went to change my own (and other stuff like the bad choke in my 2100) and I find out the hard way that my carb kit is for the 2150 (after I slice the plastic! AARRGH! Anyone need a good kit for the later carbs with the vacuum line and tall power valve cheap?) Good part was my power valve was fine. I replaced the needle and seat and reset the float. Now I just need to put the manual choke on and pickup some base gaskets (I have the phenolic and the kit came with a thick hard paper gasket that I don't particularly like) I used the needle and seat and the 2 gaskets for the powervalve, but that was it from the kit. To make sure you're running lean, the power valve on the later carbs needs good vacuum to the nipple at the base of the front of the carb (not the distributor advance port). This will close the power valve. - - Landon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 11:30:04 -0700 From: "Jim Blair" Subject: fsj: Re: Re: The Last Parts!!!! A: It's going to cost less than $20 for the fittings I need to convert my AC compressor over. All I need now is to stumble across an AMC V8 with AC so I can get the brackets and pulleys and get rid of the barely charging Motorola alt I have at the same time. It always keeps the battery up, but only just. I need to go for a drive after giving a heavy jumpstart to get it charged back up. The Delco would take 2 minutes running at idle and I'll be able to run more lights (plus brighten the ones I have!) I'm thinking about replacing my J4000's front bumper with the square tube from the man-lift I scrapped. It would give me a solid front bumper that I can weld closed (the center section. Not the corners, which will be made to bend around the fenders) and make an air tank to go under my winch. (I have an old decommisioned Oxy cylinder I may just strap inside there instead) With an ARB compressor, you could pump up the tank before you got off the dirt, so your tires wouldn't take as long to fill. Currently I have one of those "Powerstation" Jumpits with light, compressor, 3 12VDC outlets and it used to do jumpstarts, but that battery croaked a week after I bought it (I took it to Ouray and we didn't have to use it but I had it on charge. After we got back, I went to jump start a car and it was dead) I yanked the battery out of it and now it just runs the other stuff off a power cord. I'm going to hollow it out and put a getcha back toolbox inside, or cut it down to mount under the hood of my Comanche. I had it with me last night, but we talked about gas tanks, motor fixes, and axle swaps instead (and bit on how to fix the flooding Rochester 2 bbl on the Buick powered J2000) From: Obi-Wan Subject: Re: Re: The Last Parts!!!! > It's still a lot faster than waiting for somebody else! That depends on what the other person has. If the other person has a belt-driven York compressor, they could easily air up several vehicles in the time it takes an ARB compressor to air up just one. In that case, waiting your turn in line may still get you aired up faster than doing it yourself with an ARB compressor. As Chuck pointed out, though, anything is better than nothing at all, and you sure can't get a belt-driven setup for the $45 he paid for the tire fill-up option on his ARB. - -- Obi-Wan '95.5 YJ, '77 Wag, '78 Wag, '87 GW ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 02:41:18 -0700 From: "Jim Blair" Subject: fsj: another busy day Sort of. I started the day lazy (mostly did email till 2PM then took the J4000 for a spin and took the pup down for a McD's burger before rolling into the backyard and rolling up my sleeves to get started) but ended up with about 1/2 done what I wanted to do. I pulled the front clip and manifolds as well as the PS, doors, rear side windows and stuff from the '80 Cherokee 2dr NT I'm parting. (still didn't get the torch out there, but there's always tomorrow!) Then I fired up the 2.5L in the '85 Cherokee 2dr XJ I recently dragged home (the blow transmission made horrible noises like it had a rod knocking till I pushed in the clutch tho!). Then I yanked the carb off the J4000 just as it was getting dark (and right after I opened the {insert string of 4 letter words here} carb kit, I found out it was for a 2150 and not 2100!) I found out it was the float knocked awry (all the hard pounding of the roughest stretches of Seattle's highways took their toll) and not the power valve (which was good because the kit has the wrong powervalve.) I adjusted the float level and cleaned the carb out, then reassembled as much as I could with the old gaskets. I need a pair of 2100 base gaskets now to finish the job tomorrow and test my overhaul (since the power valve was still good, I don't need to take it back off again anyways) Tomorrow, I'll roll out the torch and make short work of the front frame of the '80. I plan to lift the whole truck front with my engine hoist and a chain wrapped around the motor, then reblock the body higher off the ground and undo the trans crossbar and torch the front frame loose at the firewall, undo the motor mounts and drop the frame front, then the motor trans and pull the body back before hacking it up. Oh yeah! I have to drop the gas tank while it's up in the air too! Once that is done, I'll be pulling the motor from the XJ and possibly the rear axle, then catch the store just before it closes and pick up the base gaskets I need and finish assembling the carb on the J4000. So much for my relaxing "weekend"! LOL! There just never seems to be enough time to do all the things you want to do... (name that tune! ) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 07:24:38 -0400 From: "Neal Hoover" Subject: fsj: Re: another busy day man, your story and mine are starting to sound much alike! except i don't have a road worthy FSJ.... yet. i just got my "new" cab in from J&W. the cab looks great with only minor repair work to do. i also got some really nice inner and outer front fenders in the deal, too!. time to start stripping the cab of what's left on it in prep for sanding and painting. but, BEFORE all of that, i'm doing a completely custom HD steering linkage conversion on my XJ. along with building a new front bumper to house my new winch that should be coming in today!!! and the XJ needs to get done before a scheduled wheeling event in early november. fun times! Neal A. Hoover Project '76 J-10 Project '96 XJ - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Blair" To: "me" Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 5:41 AM Subject: fsj: another busy day > Sort of. I started the day lazy (mostly did email till 2PM then took the > J4000 for a spin and took the pup down for a McD's burger before rolling > into the backyard and rolling up my sleeves to get started) but ended up > with about 1/2 done what I wanted to do. I pulled the front clip and > manifolds as well as the PS, doors, rear side windows and stuff from the '80 > Cherokee 2dr NT I'm parting. (still didn't get the torch out there, but > there's always tomorrow!) Then I fired up the 2.5L in the '85 Cherokee 2dr > XJ I recently dragged home (the blow transmission made horrible noises like > it had a rod knocking till I pushed in the clutch tho!). > Then I yanked the carb off the J4000 just as it was getting dark (and > right after I opened the {insert string of 4 letter words here} carb kit, I > found out it was for a 2150 and not 2100!) I found out it was the float > knocked awry (all the hard pounding of the roughest stretches of Seattle's > highways took their toll) and not the power valve (which was good because > the kit has the wrong powervalve.) I adjusted the float level and cleaned > the carb out, then reassembled as much as I could with the old gaskets. I > need a pair of 2100 base gaskets now to finish the job tomorrow and test my > overhaul (since the power valve was still good, I don't need to take it back > off again anyways) > Tomorrow, I'll roll out the torch and make short work of the front frame > of the '80. I plan to lift the whole truck front with my engine hoist and a > chain wrapped around the motor, then reblock the body higher off the ground > and undo the trans crossbar and torch the front frame loose at the firewall, > undo the motor mounts and drop the frame front, then the motor trans and > pull the body back before hacking it up. Oh yeah! I have to drop the gas > tank while it's up in the air too! > Once that is done, I'll be pulling the motor from the XJ and possibly the > rear axle, then catch the store just before it closes and pick up the base > gaskets I need and finish assembling the carb on the J4000. So much for my > relaxing "weekend"! LOL! > There just never seems to be enough time to do all the things you want to > do... (name that tune! ) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 06:32:15 -0700 From: Tesar Landon-r16884 Subject: RE: fsj: '89 GW - Goneskies Uh-huh. No news is good news, I hope. - - L - -----Original Message----- From: john [mailto:john-at-wagoneers.com] Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 4:59 PM To: Tesar Landon-r16884 Cc: FSJ-at-digest.net Subject: Re: fsj: '89 GW - Goneskies is this my son's friend in Tucson? I know nothing... :) and I'm 1,600 miles away... :) john On Mon, 11 Oct 2004, Tesar Landon-r16884 wrote: >-->Hi all, >--> >-->Christian and crew picked up the GW at the Austin airport and took off for home (Tuscon) I haven't heard a word and am a bit worried. If there are any accounts of how well/poorly the beast took the trip....It would help me feel better or worse. >--> >-->Things that could've gone wrong: >--> >-->* Overheated due to misbehaving thermostat/missing fan shroud >-->* Alternator belt goes(is new, but slightly off line) >-->* Alternator overheats and undercharges >-->* Bad gas mileage due to missing cap, and various other vacuum issues. >-->* Stopped by cops for missing taillight lens, harrassed for no insurance (still valid) >-->* Ran out of gas, happens on a descent with tank at 1/4 full. >-->* Transfer case blows out (remember Paul's trip back to Washington) >-->* Inner wheel bearings seize >-->* Engine just decides to give out. >--> >-->I can't stop worrying about them. >--> >-->They had a wonderful sense of journey and adventure about them, and it was a pleasure to see them take off. I hope they keep their sense of humor through it all. >-->John, you get to help them diagnose the rear window, it lost juice when I crunched the fender. >--> >-->- Landon >--> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 07:54:09 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: RE: fsj: '89 GW - Goneskies chances are my kid will deal with it... he's a pretty decent wrench if you keep certain tools out of his hands... :) john On Tue, 12 Oct 2004, Tesar Landon-r16884 wrote: >-->Uh-huh. No news is good news, I hope. >--> >-->- L >--> >-->-----Original Message----- >-->From: john [mailto:john-at-wagoneers.com] >-->Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 4:59 PM >-->To: Tesar Landon-r16884 >-->Cc: FSJ-at-digest.net >-->Subject: Re: fsj: '89 GW - Goneskies >--> >--> >--> >-->is this my son's friend in Tucson? >--> >-->I know nothing... :) and I'm 1,600 miles away... :) >--> >-->john >--> >-->On Mon, 11 Oct 2004, Tesar Landon-r16884 wrote: >--> >-->>-->Hi all, >-->>--> >-->>-->Christian and crew picked up the GW at the Austin airport and took off for home (Tuscon) I haven't heard a word and am a bit worried. If there are any accounts of how well/poorly the beast took the trip....It would help me feel better or worse. >-->>--> >-->>-->Things that could've gone wrong: >-->>--> >-->>-->* Overheated due to misbehaving thermostat/missing fan shroud >-->>-->* Alternator belt goes(is new, but slightly off line) >-->>-->* Alternator overheats and undercharges >-->>-->* Bad gas mileage due to missing cap, and various other vacuum issues. >-->>-->* Stopped by cops for missing taillight lens, harrassed for no insurance (still valid) >-->>-->* Ran out of gas, happens on a descent with tank at 1/4 full. >-->>-->* Transfer case blows out (remember Paul's trip back to Washington) >-->>-->* Inner wheel bearings seize >-->>-->* Engine just decides to give out. >-->>--> >-->>-->I can't stop worrying about them. >-->>--> >-->>-->They had a wonderful sense of journey and adventure about them, and it was a pleasure to see them take off. I hope they keep their sense of humor through it all. >-->>-->John, you get to help them diagnose the rear window, it lost juice when I crunched the fender. >-->>--> >-->>-->- Landon >-->>--> >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 11:21:57 CDT From: Dan Black Subject: fsj: OT: funny movie A local friend sent this to me. He found it somewhere on the net. http://129.186.79.84/car%20trailer.wmv (NOT a permanent location. Save it if you want to keep it.) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I think she took it... rather well! -- Jafar - -------------- Dan Black ------------------------- dan-at-black.org -------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 09:47:10 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: fsj: OT: funny movie I'm in windows... tried to launch in mozilla, it opened it with windows media player... I saw some stupid swirly thing, no picture... heard a sound track... ok, maybe it's an internet explorer thing: Windows Media Player Error Message Help You've encountered error message C00D1197 while using Windows Media Player. The following information might help you troubleshoot the issue. Cannot play the specified file Windows Media Player cannot play the specified file. This error message may occur for one of the following reasons: The path to the file is not valid. If you typed a Uniform Resource Locator (URL) address in the Open URL dialog box, be sure the file name is spelled correctly and the path to the file is correct, and then try again. If you clicked a link on a Web page, clicking the link again may fix the problem. The server is down or busy. Try to connect to the server at a later time. Some network protocols in the Player are not enabled. Enable all network protocols, and then try again. The proxy server settings for Windows Media Player are not configured properly. Verify that your proxy settings are correct, and then oh well.. john On Tue, 12 Oct 2004, Dan Black wrote: >-->A local friend sent this to me. He found it somewhere on the net. >--> >--> http://129.186.79.84/car%20trailer.wmv >--> >-->(NOT a permanent location. Save it if you want to keep it.) >--> >-->------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >--> I think she took it... rather well! >--> -- Jafar >-->-------------- Dan Black ------------------------- dan-at-black.org -------------- >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 11:39:37 -0700 From: "Dalan Hawker" Subject: fsj: Unusual Vacuum Routing Question I have a '87 Grand Wagoneer that is converted to run solely on propane. The air-pump, egr valve, air-tubes, catalytic converter and charcoal canister have all been removed as well as the stock carb (throttle body is still there). No need to run them with clean emissions propane. I am wonder how to route my vacuum lines now that half of the equipment that they are supposed to be connected to is gone? I am also considering installing either electric or hydro boost braking which will also remove the power booster from the equation. Any thoughts? Dalan Hawker ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 12:06:53 -0700 From: "Jim Blair" Subject: fsj: Re: Unusual Vacuum Routing Question A: Are you planning to pass Aircare in BC? If so, you will need to keep the EGR valve to reduce NOx. Did you have your dist recurved? I can't think of the name of the shop in Chilliwack that does the conversions, but they can tell you what it needs to be restricted to for propane. IIRC, it was 21 degrees total vac/mechanical advance for best power/economy. Found that out the hard way with a slant 6. I used a regular dist and couldn't get power right w/o ping unless I had the vacuum advance disconnected, and then I had a lag off the line. For vacuum, all you will need is a basic setup like a '68 Jtruck (but with a simple temp controlled EGR setup, or only adding the EGR hose to ported vacuum for testing! ) You will need the line and vacuum ball for the heater/AC controls. Electric brakes SUCK! Hydroboost is better, and even if your motor stalls, it's easy to stop and hold the brakes than with a vacuum booster (no spring to fight against) Put plugs in where all the thermo junk was on the intake (except the EGR one) Was the motor rebuilt? If so, hopefully they pumped up the compression to take advantage of LPG's 120 octane equivalent rating. (Canadian LPG has less Butane blended into it than 90% of the rest of the world) I was really tempted to build a 401 with 13:1 compression, but I think I would've had starter troubles! I have a '87 Grand Wagoneer that is converted to run solely on propane. The air-pump, egr valve, air-tubes, catalytic converter and charcoal canister have all been removed as well as the stock carb (throttle body is still there). No need to run them with clean emissions propane. I am wonder how to route my vacuum lines now that half of the equipment that they are supposed to be connected to is gone? I am also considering installing either electric or hydro boost braking which will also remove the power booster from the equation. Any thoughts? Dalan Hawker ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 12:14:27 -0700 From: "Jim Blair" Subject: Re: fsj: OT: funny movie A: You need to update your player to cure the problem. I just played it and it IS hilarious! (I felt sorry for the driver of the tiny clown car trying to haul that up the hill though. It was running WAAAAY too hot to try that hill!) John wrote: I'm in windows... tried to launch in mozilla, it opened it with windows media player... I saw some stupid swirly thing, no picture... heard a sound track... ok, maybe it's an internet explorer thing: Windows Media Player Error Message Help You've encountered error message C00D1197 while using Windows Media Player. The following information might help you troubleshoot the issue. Cannot play the specified file Windows Media Player cannot play the specified file. This error message may occur for one of the following reasons: The path to the file is not valid. If you typed a Uniform Resource Locator (URL) address in the Open URL dialog box, be sure the file name is spelled correctly and the path to the file is correct, and then try again. If you clicked a link on a Web page, clicking the link again may fix the problem. The server is down or busy. Try to connect to the server at a later time. Some network protocols in the Player are not enabled. Enable all network protocols, and then try again. The proxy server settings for Windows Media Player are not configured properly. Verify that your proxy settings are correct, and then oh well.. john ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 14:24:44 CDT From: Dan Black Subject: Re: fsj: OT: funny movie I agree with Jim; try updating your WiMP. Mozilla also asks me if I want to save the file or open it, though I chose "open" and it still worked fine. Can use wget or something to download it directly, too. john said: {- {- I'm in windows... tried to launch in mozilla, {- it opened it with windows media player... I saw some stupid {- swirly thing, no picture... heard a sound track... ok, maybe {- it's an internet explorer thing: {- {- Windows Media Player Error Message Help {- You've encountered error message C00D1197 while using Windows Media Player. {- The following information might help you troubleshoot the issue. {- {- Cannot play the specified file {- Windows Media Player cannot play the specified file. This error message may {- occur for one of the following reasons: {- {- The path to the file is not valid. If you typed a Uniform Resource Locator ( {- URL) address in the Open URL dialog box, be sure the file name is spelled co {- rrectly and the path to the file is correct, and then try again. If you clic {- ked a link on a Web page, clicking the link again may fix the problem. {- The server is down or busy. Try to connect to the server at a later time. {- Some network protocols in the Player are not enabled. Enable all network pro {- tocols, and then try again. {- The proxy server settings for Windows Media Player are not configured proper {- ly. Verify that your proxy settings are correct, and then {- {- {- oh well.. {- john {- {- {- On Tue, 12 Oct 2004, Dan Black wrote: {- {- >-->A local friend sent this to me. He found it somewhere on the net. {- >--> {- >--> http://129.186.79.84/car%20trailer.wmv {- >--> {- >-->(NOT a permanent location. Save it if you want to keep it.) {- >--> {- >-->------------------------------------------------------------------------ {- ------- {- >--> I think she took it... rather well! {- >--> -- Jafar {- >-->-------------- Dan Black ------------------------- dan-at-black.org ------- {- ------- {- >--> {- {- ---- {- {- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- {- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** {- Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. {- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- {- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I leave you to draw your own conclusions. With crayons, no doubt. -- Marc Wolfe - -------------- Dan Black ------------------------- dan-at-black.org -------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 12:33:12 -0700 From: "Jim Blair" Subject: Re: fsj: another busy day A: I have the chain wrapped through the motor mounts to keep it from slipping (forgot to mention that) or bolt it in at least 1 spot. Chain under the oilpan hasn't dented any motor I have pulled over the years unless the motor has slipped or bounced (or dropped the one time I had a "rented" engine hoist collapse) I bought a hoist with the purposes I use it for in mind. 5 ton rated (I can lift a whole FSJ with it if need be. I lifted the bus body onto the trailer frame with it) Of course it helps I've had lots of practice with it. (only drawback is using it on softground which can be tricky) I'm pulling a 4.2L 6 cyl right now, which is different from pulling a V8 anyways. (I already pulled the manifolds off) balancing a 6 with the chain wrapped around it is easier because your life isn't depending on a couple threads or the sheer strength of an old bolt. On Tue, 12 Oct 2004, Jim Blair wrote: >-->of the '80. I plan to lift the whole truck front with my engine hoist >and a >-->chain wrapped around the motor, then reblock the body higher off the >ground the chain wrapped around the motor presents a few issues. - - it's not secure unless you bolt it up top anyway - - having the chain under the oil pan can cause dents - - having the chain under the engine could cause it to hang up especially when coming over the rad support seems to me the chains to the intake/exhaust bolts makes the most sense, keeps the bottom clear, allows you to even drop the oil pan when it's hoisted, or lay the engine on it's side with the chain still attached to the lift and drop the oil pan... better thought... john ---- ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #2275 **************************