fsj-digest Monday, November 15 2004 Volume 01 : Number 2305 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: fsj: '85 Grand Wagoneer $650 (not mine!) fsj: administrivia: notes on using this list Re: fsj: '85 Grand Wagoneer $650 (not mine!) fsj: ebay Jerrari look-over fsj: Re: ebay Jerrari look-over FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 21:38:09 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: fsj: '85 Grand Wagoneer $650 (not mine!) On Sun, 14 Nov 2004, Dan Black wrote: >-->When you (everybody) send something to the list that's for sale, could >-->you tell us where it's located? It makes a big difference. >--> >-->I'm guessing this is in the Pacific northwest since that seems to be >-->where all these things are, at least when John or Jim forwards it. But >-->there ARE other parts of the country. ;) really? not that we care about. ;) You do make a good point... it's also an excellent idea to post the DATE with the LOCATION. Sometimes the item will be long sold before we find it... If we knew the date we'd at least have a clue. I'm not sure where this thing is either... the 360 prefix is what I have... but it runs from the Columbia River to the Canadian border and from the Pacific Ocean to the Cascades... we've given all the liberal democrats in the state, all huddled in Seattle, their own area code, which happens to be our old code... 206 Then we came up with the "fringe" area (still contains a few liberals and microsoft types) and gave it the 425 area code... It runs from Everett over to the east side... right through the 206 and 360 area codes... it's goofy the way they have that broken up... and then to add further confusion they have the 253 area code... that's south of seattle... Note, both Curtis and I have the same area code... between us there are 100 miles including areas that have ALL of the western state area codes... So, the phone number is of little help in locating where the heck this is... And Jim, rather than telling us it's not yours, just say it's yours when it is... ;) thanx for sharing... and tempting those of us with obsessive compulsive disorders... ;) this is an oldie, but a goodie: hi, my name is john and I'm a jeepaholic. ;) it's been a while since I said that... rofl... (many on the list may not be familiar with that mid-90's statement... ;) john >--> >-->"Jim Blair" said: >-->{- twofullmoons-at-msn.com >-->{- > wrote: >-->{- >-->{- >-->{- I have 3 vehicles that need to go away: >-->{- >-->{- 1. 1985 Grand Wagoneer >-->{- 360 V8, Auto trans >-->{- power everything >-->{- CD player >-->{- Runs and drives well >-->{- New 30 inch tires installed >-->{- Tow package >-->{- $650 obo >-->{- >-->{- >-->{- 2. 1989 Jeep Cherokee Limited >-->{- 4.0l, Auto Tranny >-->{- Power Everything >-->{- A/C, tinted windows >-->{- Runs and drives well >-->{- $900 obo >-->{- >-->{- >-->{- 3. 1990 VW Golf GL >-->{- 1.8l, 5 speed, 4 door >-->{- Wolfsburg Ed. (sunroof) >-->{- Runs and drives great >-->{- 16 inch rims on 40 series tires >-->{- H&R Cup Suspension >-->{- Rally Grille w/ H3 & H4 combo >-->{- $1500 obo or $1000 on Stock wheels/tires >-->{- >-->{- Pics available! Trades considered for Full-Sized Extended Cab Pickup! >-->{- >-->{- >-->{- 360-863-8697 >-->{- >-->------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >--> I still miss my ex. But my aim is getting better! >-->-------------- Dan Black ------------------------- dan-at-black.org -------------- >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 07:15:01 +0000 From: Richard Welty Subject: fsj: administrivia: notes on using this list Digest.Net mailing list "Meta FAQ" These general notes on using Digest.Net mailing lists are posted on the 1st and 15th of each month. 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What is Krusty Motorsports, anyway? Krusty Motorsports (http:/www.krusty-motorsports.com/) is a business which is owned and operated by Richard Welty (rwelty-at-krusty-motorsports.com). Krusty is an S-Corporation in the State of New York. Krusty provides a number of Internet related services, such as mailing list, web sites, pop3/telnet accounts, and consulting on internet related issues. For more information, see the web site. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 00:43:50 -0800 From: "Jim Blair" Subject: Re: fsj: '85 Grand Wagoneer $650 (not mine!) Since people forward it all over, I guess adding the date would help. I don't know exactly where it is either, but I included both a contact number and email address. I usually include the link to the SNORT board (where most of my tips come from) but I forgot this time. I did as John suggested and cut and pasted the ad so people with slower connections could read it. As for not saying "It's not mine!" I wish to point out the 3 emails I got already asking me the particulars on MY Jeep I'm selling! (granted, these mostly come from -at-AOL addresses and newbies to boot) On Sun, 14 Nov 2004, Dan Black wrote: >-->When you (everybody) send something to the list that's for sale, could >-->you tell us where it's located? It makes a big difference. >--> >-->I'm guessing this is in the Pacific northwest since that seems to be >-->where all these things are, at least when John or Jim forwards it. But >-->there ARE other parts of the country. ;) really? not that we care about. ;) You do make a good point... it's also an excellent idea to post the DATE with the LOCATION. Sometimes the item will be long sold before we find it... If we knew the date we'd at least have a clue. I'm not sure where this thing is either... the 360 prefix is what I have... but it runs from the Columbia River to the Canadian border and from the Pacific Ocean to the Cascades... we've given all the liberal democrats in the state, all huddled in Seattle, their own area code, which happens to be our old code... 206 Then we came up with the "fringe" area (still contains a few liberals and microsoft types) and gave it the 425 area code... It runs from Everett over to the east side... right through the 206 and 360 area codes... it's goofy the way they have that broken up... and then to add further confusion they have the 253 area code... that's south of seattle... Note, both Curtis and I have the same area code... between us there are 100 miles including areas that have ALL of the western state area codes... So, the phone number is of little help in locating where the heck this is... And Jim, rather than telling us it's not yours, just say it's yours when it is... ;) thanx for sharing... and tempting those of us with obsessive compulsive disorders... ;) this is an oldie, but a goodie: hi, my name is john and I'm a jeepaholic. ;) it's been a while since I said that... rofl... (many on the list may not be familiar with that mid-90's statement... ;) john >--> >-->"Jim Blair" said: >-->{- twofullmoons-at-msn.com >-->{- > wrote: >-->{- >-->{- >-->{- I have 3 vehicles that need to go away: >-->{- >-->{- 1. 1985 Grand Wagoneer >-->{- 360 V8, Auto trans >-->{- power everything >-->{- CD player >-->{- Runs and drives well >-->{- New 30 inch tires installed >-->{- Tow package >-->{- $650 obo >-->{- >-->{- >-->{- 2. 1989 Jeep Cherokee Limited >-->{- 4.0l, Auto Tranny >-->{- Power Everything >-->{- A/C, tinted windows >-->{- Runs and drives well >-->{- $900 obo >-->{- >-->{- >-->{- 3. 1990 VW Golf GL >-->{- 1.8l, 5 speed, 4 door >-->{- Wolfsburg Ed. (sunroof) >-->{- Runs and drives great >-->{- 16 inch rims on 40 series tires >-->{- H&R Cup Suspension >-->{- Rally Grille w/ H3 & H4 combo >-->{- $1500 obo or $1000 on Stock wheels/tires >-->{- >-->{- Pics available! Trades considered for Full-Sized Extended Cab Pickup! >-->{- >-->{- >-->{- 360-863-8697 >-->{- >-->------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >--> I still miss my ex. But my aim is getting better! >-->-------------- Dan Black ------------------------- >dan-at-black.org -------------- >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 10:11:52 -0500 From: "Watry, Andrew (LNG-SFR)" Subject: fsj: ebay Jerrari look-over I checked out the Harrah ebay Jerrari in LA on Saturday. It was not a very thorough look-over, because it was parked in a confined space, and the seller's friend, not the seller, showed it to me, didn't know much about it or have keys for it, and was in a hurry. So I literally looked at it, didn't drive it or fire it up. Body: the body is as revised by Harrah's shop, with the Ferrari 365 nose and revised side and rear profiles to match the Ferrari shape. Quality of original revision looks to match period Italian body work: good, not great. It's very convincing and factory looking, though. Does not look like a bodge-job. Body is generally still good, with one or two small dings. No rust I could see, though undercarriage was recently painted with heavy black paint. Doors and tailgate function as original. Electric rear window, manual side windows. Has a sunroof in the vinyl top. Hood is from Ferrari. Recently repainted from original white to dark green. Very poor job, with lots of fisheye and other weirdness under the paint. Looks OK from 50 ft. Interior: mostly Jeep, though seats are done in Ferrari style in a cream leather, very well. Harrah's console and real Ferrari steering wheel gone and redone, presumably when Ferrari engine/trans were removed, said to be in late 70s. AC looks complete, but couldn't check function. Some small detail changes in various places Mechanicals: seller said it's a Buick 350 V8, and appears to be whatever the standard Buick 3-speed auto trans from the period would be. I don't know Buick stuff at all. Installation looked fine. Dual exhaust new with Ferrari tips are rear. Lots of room in engine bay. Appeared to be small 2BBL carb, though I didn't check what type. Saginaw power steering box. Axles I would say were original Jeep axles. Still has leaf springs, with coil-over shock helper springs. Front axle has large "ball" swivel connection at hub, with Warn locking hubs. I'd guess axles have not been changed. I couldn't get at the right side, but that's where the transfer case is, with the range selector coming up on the right side of the trans hump. Driveshafts, etc., all look basically stock, as well as I could see them, which was not a lot. Lots of apparent trans fluid under the Jerrari on the ground. The car is currently registered in California. I haven't contacted the seller for further info since looking at it. If anyone has specific questions, I can try to answer, but I didn't get a lot of time, or access, to look at it. Andrew Watry - -----Original Message----- From: owner-fsj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-fsj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of john Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2004 6:48 PM To: full size jeep list Subject: fsj: the '77 Jerrari is still at the National Auto Museum my friend in Reno called yesterday to report that the bright orange '77 Jerrari is still there where we left it. :) john ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 07:40:24 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: fsj: Re: ebay Jerrari look-over sounds like the buick 350/t400/d20 combination. the article mentioned disk brakes... but you mentioned the closed knuckle setup on the front. ditching the ferrari engine is not a bad thing. I looked at buying a used ferrari when I was in Germany... affordable, that is until you got to the part about the engine rebuild, which unfortunately occurs more often than I change tires... thanx for checking it out... too bad you couldn't test it out... with the fluids underneath and the dated driveline this may be an expensive acquisition... john On Mon, 15 Nov 2004, Watry, Andrew (LNG-SFR) wrote: >-->I checked out the Harrah ebay Jerrari in LA on Saturday. It was not a very >-->thorough look-over, because it was parked in a confined space, and the >-->seller's friend, not the seller, showed it to me, didn't know much about it >-->or have keys for it, and was in a hurry. So I literally looked at it, >-->didn't drive it or fire it up. >--> >-->Body: the body is as revised by Harrah's shop, with the Ferrari 365 nose and >-->revised side and rear profiles to match the Ferrari shape. Quality of >-->original revision looks to match period Italian body work: good, not great. >-->It's very convincing and factory looking, though. Does not look like a >-->bodge-job. Body is generally still good, with one or two small dings. No >-->rust I could see, though undercarriage was recently painted with heavy black >-->paint. Doors and tailgate function as original. Electric rear window, >-->manual side windows. Has a sunroof in the vinyl top. Hood is from Ferrari. >-->Recently repainted from original white to dark green. Very poor job, with >-->lots of fisheye and other weirdness under the paint. Looks OK from 50 ft. >--> >-->Interior: mostly Jeep, though seats are done in Ferrari style in a cream >-->leather, very well. Harrah's console and real Ferrari steering wheel gone >-->and redone, presumably when Ferrari engine/trans were removed, said to be in >-->late 70s. AC looks complete, but couldn't check function. Some small >-->detail changes in various places >--> >-->Mechanicals: seller said it's a Buick 350 V8, and appears to be whatever the >-->standard Buick 3-speed auto trans from the period would be. I don't know >-->Buick stuff at all. Installation looked fine. Dual exhaust new with >-->Ferrari tips are rear. Lots of room in engine bay. Appeared to be small >-->2BBL carb, though I didn't check what type. Saginaw power steering box. >-->Axles I would say were original Jeep axles. Still has leaf springs, with >-->coil-over shock helper springs. Front axle has large "ball" swivel >-->connection at hub, with Warn locking hubs. I'd guess axles have not been >-->changed. I couldn't get at the right side, but that's where the transfer >-->case is, with the range selector coming up on the right side of the trans >-->hump. Driveshafts, etc., all look basically stock, as well as I could see >-->them, which was not a lot. Lots of apparent trans fluid under the Jerrari >-->on the ground. >--> >-->The car is currently registered in California. I haven't contacted the >-->seller for further info since looking at it. If anyone has specific >-->questions, I can try to answer, but I didn't get a lot of time, or access, >-->to look at it. >--> >-->Andrew Watry >--> >--> >--> >-->-----Original Message----- >-->From: owner-fsj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-fsj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of john >-->Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2004 6:48 PM >-->To: full size jeep list >-->Subject: fsj: the '77 Jerrari is still at the National Auto Museum >--> >--> >-->my friend in Reno called yesterday to report that the >-->bright orange '77 Jerrari is still there where we left it. :) >--> >-->john >--> >--> ---- >--> >-->------------------------------------------------------------------------- >--> ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** >--> Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. >-->------------------------------------------------------------------------- >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #2305 **************************