fsj-digest Saturday, November 27 2004 Volume 01 : Number 2312 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: fsj: Re: [db] Inspection pit (motorcars, for the repairs of) fsj: RE: fsj-digest V1 #2311 fsj: RE: fsj-digest V1 #2311 fsj: Re: [db] Friday fun fsj: Grand Wagoneer Article - Four Wheeler Jan '05 FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 11:26:33 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: fsj: Re: [db] Inspection pit (motorcars, for the repairs of) grease / inspection pits are wonderful... BTDT, (miss mine) http://www.wagoneers.com/.images/pitsj.jpg http://www.wagoneers.com/.images/john-pit.jpg http://www.wagoneers.com/.images/pitxj.jpg http://www.wagoneers.com/.images/xj_pit.jpg words of wisdom: - make sure you have good drainage... I was on top of a ridge and still water would collect in the bottom during heavy rains (add a catch basin where you can put a bucket to catch stray fluids. I'd set it up to hold a 5 gallon bucket that would sit at a low point... all antifreeze, oils, etc. would flow into this bucket... put a grate/screen over it so you can strain out stray parts. - measure the inside width of your narrowest vehicle... the ugly duckly or your tractor would be the limiting factors... I think I built mine around a Rabbit Diesel... 32" or so. - put a lip or edge on it to prevent tires from dropping into the pit... a piece of steel stock set in the concrete would be my recommendation... also serve as an edge to hold a recommended cover... strong enough to drive a vehicle on. - get your wiring, lights and outlets in there... - figure out good lighting... on the sides... makes a big difference. - use a ladder to get out, or have a side exit with a grate over it so you can exit out the side. getting in and out was always an effort. - build shelves or ledges built into the walls to hold tools, parts, oils, etc. If I were going to do this again I'd probably have a big enough cavity in there to hold major parts. - think about how you can place hydraulic jacks under the vehicle while it's in there... transmission jacks... - think about ventilation... when welding under there you want air flow... - you want to have anchor points near the front so you can winch vehicles that aren't running over the pit. A section of thick wall pipe embedded in the concrete at the front and back of the pit will work well. I used to drop a tire iron into the pipe, wrap a save-tree-strap around it and then use my jeep's winch to pull the jeep in if it weren't running. - oh yeah, make sure the pit is deep enough for you to stand up straight while your lowest vehicle is in there... and then make provisions in the walls to place non-slip "shelves" so you can stand up higher when working on stuff up further... you'll go from ducking to stretching depending on your projects. I've got natural springs all over my hillside here... if I were to build a garage I'd have to dig a big hole and install a french drain system to get the water to avoid the pit... I'd have to excavate a LOT of ground to make it work here. :( Would be easier for me to build a two story garage... hmmm.... the only limiting factors are property line boundaries and budget... with the latter being the show stopper. :) john On Thu, 25 Nov 2004, Renaud (Ron) Olgiati wrote: >-->I am now in the throes of buying out the next door neighbour, which will allow >-->me to get rid of the car-port and have a proper garage. >--> >-->I am planning to have a pit dug so I can work under the cars more easily. >--> >-->Any advice about dimensions, drainage, lighting, pitfalls to avoid, or >-->whatever else ? >--> >-->Pit will be used for a 300d MB, a Citroen 2CV a,d a Citroen Berlingo. >--> >-->TIA, >-->Ron, on the banks of the Paraguay River. >--> Everyone talks about apathy, >--> but no one does anything about it. >--> -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 13:42:56 -0600 From: "Keith, Michael S" Subject: fsj: RE: fsj-digest V1 #2311 & to think that you were gonna buy a Triumph. :-) Michael Keith Houston, TX - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 11:08:07 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: fsj: OT - british cars ... RE: [db] Oh brother.... (fwd) this is great... let's all be thankful our vehicles aren't british... :) http://www.brit.ca/~tboicey/comics.html Have a Happy Thanksgiving! john - ----------------------------------------- Confidentiality Note: The information contained in this message, and any attachments, may contain confidential and/or privileged material. It is intended solely for the person or entity to which it is addressed. Any review, retransmission, dissemination, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 11:43:13 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: fsj: RE: fsj-digest V1 #2311 On Fri, 26 Nov 2004, Keith, Michael S wrote: >-->& to think that you were gonna buy a Triumph. :-) :) low-budget dreams... if it's cheap enough I'll consider it... except of course for hyundais, chevettes, fiats and yugos... ;) john >--> >-->Michael Keith >-->Houston, TX >-->------------------------------ >--> >-->Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 11:08:07 -0800 (PST) >-->From: john >-->Subject: fsj: OT - british cars ... RE: [db] Oh brother.... (fwd) >--> >-->this is great... >--> >-->let's all be thankful our vehicles aren't british... :) >--> >--> >--> http://www.brit.ca/~tboicey/comics.html >--> >-->Have a Happy Thanksgiving! >--> >-->john >--> >-->----------------------------------------- >-->Confidentiality Note: The information contained in this message, and any >-->attachments, may contain confidential and/or privileged material. It is >-->intended solely for the person or entity to which it is addressed. Any >-->review, retransmission, dissemination, or taking of any action in reliance >-->upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended >-->recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the >-->sender and delete the material from any computer. >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 11:56:25 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: fsj: Re: [db] Friday fun so, was the tow truck operator partaking of the funny weed as well? :) john On Fri, 26 Nov 2004, Stephen Rigley wrote: >-->The story, try reading it in an Irish accent ;-) >-->http://www.roundstone-connemara.com/newssept704.htm >--> >-->and here's a local lad with his comment on a forum : >-->" OMG cant believe theres pics of this online! >-->I was there when this incident happened... infact I would have been >-->right beside the camera-man... goes to show how observant I am! >--> >-->To clarify, it happened at Roundstone Pier, Conemmara, Galway. >-->What happened was... >-->Fella who owns the car is a right eejit. He was parked facing the >-->pier, parked right up against the edge. He was rolling a joint in the >-->car, etc, etc... Not realising he hadnt put on the handbrake. He got >-->out to smoke his doobie away leaning against the car happy out then >-->*splash* in goes the car... >-->Tow truck comes along to try and take the car out, that goes *splash* >--> >-->It was quite a funny scene I must admit and the fella who owns the car >-->felt the right eejit because theres only a population of about 100 >-->people in the village... you can imagine the talk! " >--> >-->Funny story alright! >-->Steve >--> >-->On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 11:03:56 -0800 (PST), john wrote: >-->> On Fri, 26 Nov 2004, Stephen Rigley wrote: >-->> >-->> >-->heheh the first one happened just down the road from me here about 3 weeks ago! >-->> >-->> water didn't appear very deep... was anyone hurt? :) >-->> >-->> http://tinyurl.com/3ohqg >-->> >-->> that must have been one heavy little white vehicle... :) >-->> john >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 11:13:10 -0500, Mike Frank wrote: >-->> >-->> ---- >-->> >-->> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >-->> ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** >-->> Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. >-->> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >-->> >-->> >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 14:34:30 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: fsj: Grand Wagoneer Article - Four Wheeler Jan '05 Just finished reading the article "Grand Wagoneer Reborn" in the January 2005 issue of Four Wheeler. Nicely done Jim. (I'm about halfway through your article "Axles 101") Question though, you said, "The Grand Wagoneer is often heralded as the prototypical SUV. That's an accurate portrayal, though it certainly cannot be said it was the first SUV." You didn't mention what the first "SUV" was. What would that be? :) Looking back at 4x4 history the only other production 4x4 that I can recall was the Suburban, hardly a "SUV" at the time. Unless you're thinking the Willys Wagons were... The IH Scout, the Chevy Blazer, Ford Bronco and all the other 4x4s all seemed to come out after the November 1962 launch of the Jeep Wagoneers and Gladiators. The Super Wagoneers would qualify as luxury vehicles... I guess I have trouble with the term "SUV", as do many FSJ owners (full size jeep) dislike the term "SUV" because it invokes images of poorly designed and executed 4x4s that are basically cars tossed on chassis, or worse, pickups with the beds replaced with an enclose. A friend who has run several GM dealerships brought home a new Blazer 4 door and I was checking it out and he readily admitted that it wasn't a Jeep. Designed more for heading up skiing than doing anything in the way of serious offroading. Anyway, I like your comment about the Grand Wagoneer being like John Wayne in a tux with a six shooter in his belt. I like it. In fact, the next Wagoneer I have may just acquire the name "the Duke". :) I also like the ZJ comment. Never liked those things... although the WJ is a winner... I'm on my 2nd now... the WK just doesn't do it for me at all, even though it's picked up some of the Wagoneer's (SJ) features... spare tire under the back, fuel tank on the side... that's about where the similarity ends... it does NOT have the visibility, nor does it have the substance. The WK does ride nice, is quiet, but it just doesn't feel right. :) FWIW, my '83 J10 Stepside is still in many pieces, awaiting the 4.0L transplant. After reading your article I'm partially inspired to track down an '89 to '91 Grand Wagoneer and drop my 6.2L V8 Diesel into it so I can have the visibility and ride AND economy. :) Of course a 4.0L might be sufficient for the economy and keep it Jeep. :) Of course, the question will be, and still is, whether or not a 4.0L in an FSJ will pull my J10 trailer: http://www.wagoneers.com/FSJ/J10-trailer/ as it weighs close to 2,000 lbs in present form... :) ttyl, john meister ***fwiw, I used BCC for Jim Allen's email address... so if you reply it'll be going to the FSJ list only...*** ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #2312 **************************