From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Wed Dec 8 12:31:17 2004 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Wednesday, December 8 2004 Volume 01 : Number 2320 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: fsj: RE: parts for 85 GW fsj: Re: xj: Re: Re: [WJ-Grand] which one? fsj: Re: xj: Re: Re: [WJ-Grand] which one? fsj: Re: xj: Re: Re: [WJ-Grand] which one? fsj: a wagoneer for sale in texas fsj: An FSJ Spaceship? FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 12:30:36 -0600 From: "Keith, Michael S" Subject: fsj: RE: parts for 85 GW Should be able to find this one in a junk yard. Just bring something to check continuity. I'll be making a junk yard run sometime in the next month to get a fan shroud for by bro-in-law's GW (there's 2 of them in a yard near my house). If you want, I'll touch base with you when I go to see if you still need it. Michael Keith Houston, TX 3. Still need driver's door two-prong dome light switch. NAPA part was not right one, and dealer gets $20 (!) for it. Thanks for any leads. Andrew Watry Berkeley, CA - ----------------------------------------- Confidentiality Note: The information contained in this message, and any attachments, may contain confidential and/or privileged material. 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The new WK does incorporate a couple of "FSJ" features... spare underneath and the fuel tank on driver's side center, in the "frame" rails. The front independent suspension reduces usable ground clearance and makes it nearly impossible to access under engine components. The rear suspension looks flimsey to me. Overall the Magnum 5.7L V8 did not impress me enough to buy one... the 4.7L V8 is sweet enough. I'd have to compare the numbers side by side but with the added complexity goes reduced reliability... I'd recommend sticking with the 4.7L V8. I would avoid the 3.7L V6... I don't care for that engine, it's anemic. They should have kept the 4.0L I-6. Sure, the Magnum powered WK will beat an Audi, but that can be done with a 3.8L Buick V6 built up and stuffed into an '81 Chevy Luv... BTDT. :) Since when did Jeeper's start worrying about beating Audi's??? Who cares? We don't buy Jeeps to race, we buy them to drive off road, haul stuff and to have surefootedness on road. The boys and girls in marketing have lost touch with the real Jeepers. Too much influence on the design of Jeep by all components of Daimler-Chrysler. NOT a good thing either. If I wanted a Dodge I'd buy a Dodge. If I wanted a Mercedes, I'd buy a Mercedes... oh wait, I did. ;) Jeep should be different... I believe that the WK is a decent vehicle, but it's received by me the same way the ZJ was received... with a yawn and no desire to own one... I'll keep the nicer looking WJ even though it's slower, noisier and supposedly rides harsher. :) john >--> >-->-Don >--> >-->----- Original Message ----- >-->From: "john" >-->To: >-->Cc: "xj-list" >-->Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2004 10:45 AM >-->Subject: xj: Re: [WJ-Grand] which one? >--> >--> >-->> The WJ comes with 3.73's and overdrive. 3.73s are a pretty good >-->> gear set for all around flexibility, and almost essential without an >-->> overdrive. 4.10's are also a good set of gears and what I'm installing >-->> in my '83 J10 stepside where I'm using a 4.0L with a full time (quadratrac >-->> NP219) xfr case, along with the AW4 overdrive. >-->> >-->> I've had both WJ's with the 8 and the 6. I haven't had the six out >-->> enough to see the highway mileage difference, but the 2mpg difference >-->> is realistic with the 6 from what we've seen so far and what I've >-->> heard on this list. >-->> >-->> The v8 is a sweet engine, revs quickly and smoothly and with amsoil >-->> synthetics can get 20-21mpg on the freeway. >-->> >-->> I'm not sure what the OD of the stock tires is now, it's got to be >-->> close to 30.5 or even 31" from the looks of it... going to 32" isn't >-->> that severe, and the lift has little or no bearing in the economy or >-->> gearing issues. >-->> >-->> It's expensive going to a different gear set. If you're having to >-->> repair the rear end on a v8 WJ because they didn't set it up correctly, >-->> that's a partial incentive, but not enough reason in my mind... >-->> >-->> If you're interested in economy go with the 6, 4" of lift and >-->> bigger tires. You may be surprised at the results. My '87 XJ >-->> with the 6, 31's and stock 3.55's would do 21 mpg easliy on the >-->> freeway and around 17 in town! Taller gears are not a bad thing >-->> unless you're trying to do rock crawling, burnouts or stop light >-->> drag the ricers. >-->> >-->> I've had both the 6 and the 8, I chose a 6 this time, and am >-->> putting one in my Full size Jeep. >-->> >-->> FOR THE RECORD, I do NOT like the 3.7L V6. I don't care much >-->> for any V6, but the 3.7 is anemic and a poor replacement for >-->> the venerable I-6 4.0L. I think the 4.0L is the best engine >-->> ever put in a Jeep. The powertech I-6 put in the WJ's has >-->> significant refinements that make it even more simple and more >-->> efficient. >-->> >-->> So, my vote is the 6, full time four wheel drive, stock 3.73's >-->> (although some of the 6's might have 4.10's... isn't that an >-->> option if I remember correctly?), the 4" of lift and the slightly >-->> bigger tires... It won't be a rocket ship, but it will sail >-->> past fuel stops with a smile. >-->> >-->> john >-->> >-->> On Tue, 7 Dec 2004, scott blue wrote: >-->> >-->> >-->Hey John, or anybody with knowledge on the subject, I have a question >-->for >-->> you. If you were going to buy a WJ to lift 4 inches and put 32 inch tires >-->on >-->> it, would you buy the V8 or the 6? The shop I have been talking to tells >-->me >-->> that no matter which one I buy, I should put 4:11 gears in it. I don't >-->think >-->> that is a good idea. If I wanted to go for 0 to 60 in about 100 yards, it >-->> would be good. I want to keep stock gas mileage as close as possible. I >-->would >-->> also like to keep stock power if I can. what would you suggest? I do plan >-->on >-->> putting a catback and an Airaid intake on it, so I know these will help >-->with >-->> power. I'm confused on the gearing. I would like the V8, because I thought >-->I >-->> might get away without gearing it, and I have been told that the stock gas >-->> mileage is close between the 6 and the 8, about 2 mile to the gallon >-->> difference. Then you also have to think about the full time 4 wheel drive >-->> verses the 2WD in the 6. what are your thoughts on this? One guy told me >-->he >-->> never met a guy >-->> >--> that said he wished he had the 6, after he bought the 8. can you >-->help? >-->> >-->Scott >-->> >--> >-->> >--> >-->> >--> Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. >-->> >-->> ---- >-->> >-->> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >-->> ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** >-->> Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. >-->> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 12:36:29 -0800 From: "Jim Blair" Subject: fsj: Re: xj: Re: Re: [WJ-Grand] which one? A: I concurr on using 3.73. I even have 33" tires on my Comanche with 3.08 that will gain top speed and power in 5th when I complete the swap (which was planned for today, but I awoke with the mother of all nosebleeds!) Raising the newer Jeeps is tougher unless you also swap out the speed sensors or match the tire height/gear ratio. Otherwise you have major driveability issues. I would sooner stick with the 4.0L 6, because if it's not quite powerful enough, you can always stroke it to 4.6L (or bigger) >--> >-->----- Original Message ----- >-->From: "john" >-->To: >-->Cc: "xj-list" >-->Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2004 10:45 AM >-->Subject: xj: Re: [WJ-Grand] which one? >--> >--> >-->> The WJ comes with 3.73's and overdrive. 3.73s are a pretty good >-->> gear set for all around flexibility, and almost essential without an >-->> overdrive. 4.10's are also a good set of gears and what I'm >installing >-->> in my '83 J10 stepside where I'm using a 4.0L with a full time >(quadratrac >-->> NP219) xfr case, along with the AW4 overdrive. >-->> >-->> I've had both WJ's with the 8 and the 6. I haven't had the six out >-->> enough to see the highway mileage difference, but the 2mpg difference >-->> is realistic with the 6 from what we've seen so far and what I've >-->> heard on this list. >-->> >-->> The v8 is a sweet engine, revs quickly and smoothly and with amsoil >-->> synthetics can get 20-21mpg on the freeway. >-->> >-->> I'm not sure what the OD of the stock tires is now, it's got to be >-->> close to 30.5 or even 31" from the looks of it... going to 32" isn't >-->> that severe, and the lift has little or no bearing in the economy or >-->> gearing issues. >-->> >-->> It's expensive going to a different gear set. If you're having to >-->> repair the rear end on a v8 WJ because they didn't set it up >correctly, >-->> that's a partial incentive, but not enough reason in my mind... >-->> >-->> If you're interested in economy go with the 6, 4" of lift and >-->> bigger tires. You may be surprised at the results. My '87 XJ >-->> with the 6, 31's and stock 3.55's would do 21 mpg easliy on the >-->> freeway and around 17 in town! Taller gears are not a bad thing >-->> unless you're trying to do rock crawling, burnouts or stop light >-->> drag the ricers. >-->> >-->> I've had both the 6 and the 8, I chose a 6 this time, and am >-->> putting one in my Full size Jeep. >-->> >-->> FOR THE RECORD, I do NOT like the 3.7L V6. I don't care much >-->> for any V6, but the 3.7 is anemic and a poor replacement for >-->> the venerable I-6 4.0L. I think the 4.0L is the best engine >-->> ever put in a Jeep. The powertech I-6 put in the WJ's has >-->> significant refinements that make it even more simple and more >-->> efficient. >-->> >-->> So, my vote is the 6, full time four wheel drive, stock 3.73's >-->> (although some of the 6's might have 4.10's... isn't that an >-->> option if I remember correctly?), the 4" of lift and the slightly >-->> bigger tires... It won't be a rocket ship, but it will sail >-->> past fuel stops with a smile. >-->> >-->> john >-->> >-->> On Tue, 7 Dec 2004, scott blue wrote: >-->> >-->> >-->Hey John, or anybody with knowledge on the subject, I have a >question >-->for >-->> you. If you were going to buy a WJ to lift 4 inches and put 32 inch >tires >-->on >-->> it, would you buy the V8 or the 6? The shop I have been talking to >tells >-->me >-->> that no matter which one I buy, I should put 4:11 gears in it. I don't >-->think >-->> that is a good idea. If I wanted to go for 0 to 60 in about 100 yards, >it >-->> would be good. I want to keep stock gas mileage as close as possible. >I >-->would >-->> also like to keep stock power if I can. what would you suggest? I do >plan >-->on >-->> putting a catback and an Airaid intake on it, so I know these will >help >-->with >-->> power. I'm confused on the gearing. I would like the V8, because I >thought >-->I >-->> might get away without gearing it, and I have been told that the stock >gas >-->> mileage is close between the 6 and the 8, about 2 mile to the gallon >-->> difference. Then you also have to think about the full time 4 wheel >drive >-->> verses the 2WD in the 6. what are your thoughts on this? One guy told >me >-->he >-->> never met a guy >-->> >--> that said he wished he had the 6, after he bought the 8. can you >-->help? >-->> >-->Scott >-->> >--> >-->> >--> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 12:38:06 -0800 From: "Jim Blair" Subject: fsj: Re: xj: Re: Re: [WJ-Grand] which one? A: The all new WK (which stands for whimpy krap!) From: "Don Hansen" Subject: xj: Re: Re: [WJ-Grand] which one? John, What's the deal with the new Grand? Is there a new ?J designation? Is it as different as the ads purport??? "Beats an Audi..."?! - - -Don ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 22:39:47 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: fsj: a wagoneer for sale in texas REF: John, can you post these for the FSJ list to view? done: http://www.wagoneers.com/FSJ/rigs/WaylonBlack-FSJ/ :) john - ------------------------- As you can see, it needs a bath and a good cleaning. ;) I had to replace the right rear tire with the spare from the other Wag, but I have the original. I took the pics this AM but they didn't come out so hot. As you can see in the background - I have enough to keep me busy. John, can you post these for the FSJ list to view? Thanks, Waylon - -----Original Message----- From: Damian Shaver Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 3:03 PM To: Black, Waylon Subject: Re: RE: [db] ANOTHER MB for me - liquidating some of the fleet Yeah, if you have pictures that would help. I am having some of the same problems with the Cherokee, won't run far without gas poured into the carb. Ours is tan too, so that might help. Is the Wag power rear window? Thanks, Damian On Mon, 6 Dec 2004 12:04:18 -0500, Black, Waylon wrote: >> Wife always wanted one and found this one by the house. It's in pretty >> good shape but then found the 84 which is much nicer. If your interested >> in it you can have it for what I paid for it - $500. It will move under >> it's own power but I need to fix the fuel lines(rotted). It only runs >> until the carb runs out of gas - about 30-45 seconds. I got the 84 and >> quickly lost interest in the 79 as the 84 only needs a trans overhaul(no >> 3rd gear). >> >> It's too nice for parts and would need very little to be driving. Has >> the 360 2 bbl/TH400. >> >> I can send some pics if you are interested in it. It is light tan with >> the factory aluminum slots. >> >> Waylon Black >> Little Elm, Texas >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Damian Shaver [mailto:damianshaver-at-gmail.com] >> Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2004 12:04 PM >> To: Black, Waylon >> Subject: fsj: RE: [db] ANOTHER MB for me - liquidating some of the fleet >> >> What is the story on the '79 Wag? Got any pics? >> >> I live in Carrollton and am about to start restoring my '76 Cherokee. >> I am going to start collecting parts soon, I really need a donor >> truck..a Wagoneer would do for most parts, but not everything. >> >> Where do you go to find good vintage FSJ parts? Know of any good >> salvage yards in the north metroplex? >> >> Thanks, >> Damian >> - -- Later, Damian ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 14:23:26 -0600 From: Damian Shaver Subject: fsj: An FSJ Spaceship? Can anyone positively ID this as an FSJ? It looks a lot like a Wagoneer of some year to me. Just strap a jet engine in the back and let'er rip! [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/bmp which had a name of Redneck Space Shuttle.bmp] ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #2320 **************************