From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Fri Dec 31 13:43:50 2004 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Friday, December 31 2004 Volume 01 : Number 2328 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: fsj: Re: headlight comparisson Re: fsj: Re: headlight comparisson Re: fsj: headlight comparisson Re: fsj: headlight comparisson fsj: SNORT4x4 forum - PARTING OUT 1989 GRAND WAGONEER in Edmonds, WA fsj: Info on AMC20? FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 08:46:08 -0800 From: "Jim Blair" Subject: fsj: Re: headlight comparisson The blue light is shorter wavelength than the rest and you will be fine except in the rain, snow and fog (you'll think they aren't on in the rain and be blinded in the other) NAPA has new broad spectrum lights that are H6054TV and supposedly you can see much further in all sorts of weather. I plan to put some in my Comanche soon and I'll let you know. (I could hardly see the road going to Canada and back for Christmas!) My left headlight on the '88 went out. Decided to replace both with white lights, as I had already done in the '74. Got some straight replacements at Wal-Mart; got the GE "Super Blue" or something like that. H6054 sound right? If so, it's the GE H6054SB. (Have the Sylvania equivalent in the '74, but round, of course, so completely different number.) So I took pictures after replacing the first one, shining on the garage door, for a real-world comparison. As I and others have noticed after switching, the lights are whiter and brighter, but they have more of a cut-off at the edges -- you either can see something or you can't; there isn't much fade-out along the edges. But as this picture shows, at least these have a larger spread anyway. The shape on the low beams reminds me of those military Jeeps with the headlight covers with the rectangular slits cut out. Can't find any pics right now, but they popped up occasionally in M*A*S*H. I also personally prefer the blue/white ones because I do think things are a lot clearer (visible and better-defined) than with yellow. I also find that approaching cars with white headlights are brighter, but oddly don't hurt my eyes as much as the yellows. Maybe that's because of the lack of bleeding out past the edges (technically not a function of the color of the light so much as the headlight design), so their lights go where they're aimed rather than bleeding out and shining in my eyes. Or maybe it's my eyes straining when the yellow creates more of a halo effect. Or maybe it's my imagination. I don't know and don't care; the end result is that they don't seem to hurt my eyes as much. Anyway, pictures are at http://dan.black.org/headlights/ I'll probably leave them there a week or two. Save them now if you want them. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- A ski slope in Aspen. - -- Kelly - -------------- Dan Black ------------------------- dan-at-black.org -------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 11:39:16 CST From: Dan Black Subject: Re: fsj: Re: headlight comparisson "Jim Blair" said: {- The blue light is shorter wavelength than the rest and you will be fine {- except in the rain, snow and fog (you'll think they aren't on in the {- rain and be blinded in the other) I drove the '74 with those lights all last winter (lots of snow) and in plenty of rain this summer. No problems here. {- NAPA has new broad spectrum lights {- that are H6054TV and supposedly you can see much further in all sorts of {- weather. I plan to put some in my Comanche soon and I'll let you {- know. (I could hardly see the road going to Canada and back for {- Christmas!) Sure, let us know. What color are they? I really don't like yellow light when I'm trying to see detail. They're good for soft lighting for social things, but not for driving or reading or working or whatever. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No matter what other nations may say about the United States, immigration is still the sincerest form of flattery. - -------------- Dan Black ------------------------- dan-at-black.org -------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 10:13:17 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: fsj: headlight comparisson Dan, I would suggest looking at the replacement units that hold the H4 bulbs. You have Cibie, Bosch and IPF as choices... out of those three I highly recommend the IPFs because of superior lens quality. Either way, those H4 replacements will permit you to install higher wattage bulbs and get the proper european spread. If you go with higher wattage I also recommend installing relays in the circuit so you're not toasting your headlight switch. ARB had an H4 relay harness kit, was written up in a few mags a while back. http://www.wagoneers.com/JEEPS/IPF/ I've got the pictures and details from doing SuperDawg, my son's J3000, a Diesel Benz and an XJ... If you don't want to replace the units with the H4 assemblies, or can't, like on a newer vehicle, the SilverStar replacements are quite good. I went that way on my '91 300D and am quite happy. I know the H4 types come in both Round and Rectangular... john On Wed, 29 Dec 2004, Dan Black wrote: >-->My left headlight on the '88 went out. Decided to replace both with >-->white lights, as I had already done in the '74. Got some straight >-->replacements at Wal-Mart; got the GE "Super Blue" or something like >-->that. H6054 sound right? If so, it's the GE H6054SB. (Have the >-->Sylvania equivalent in the '74, but round, of course, so completely >-->different number.) So I took pictures after replacing the first one, >-->shining on the garage door, for a real-world comparison. >--> >-->As I and others have noticed after switching, the lights are whiter and >-->brighter, but they have more of a cut-off at the edges -- you either can >-->see something or you can't; there isn't much fade-out along the edges. >-->But as this picture shows, at least these have a larger spread anyway. >--> >-->The shape on the low beams reminds me of those military Jeeps with the >-->headlight covers with the rectangular slits cut out. Can't find any >-->pics right now, but they popped up occasionally in M*A*S*H. >--> >-->I also personally prefer the blue/white ones because I do think things >-->are a lot clearer (visible and better-defined) than with yellow. I also >-->find that approaching cars with white headlights are brighter, but oddly >-->don't hurt my eyes as much as the yellows. Maybe that's because of the >-->lack of bleeding out past the edges (technically not a function of the >-->color of the light so much as the headlight design), so their lights go >-->where they're aimed rather than bleeding out and shining in my eyes. Or >-->maybe it's my eyes straining when the yellow creates more of a halo >-->effect. Or maybe it's my imagination. I don't know and don't care; the >-->end result is that they don't seem to hurt my eyes as much. >--> >-->Anyway, pictures are at >--> http://dan.black.org/headlights/ >-->I'll probably leave them there a week or two. Save them now if you want >-->them. >--> >-->------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >--> A ski slope in Aspen. >--> -- Kelly >-->-------------- Dan Black ------------------------- dan-at-black.org -------------- >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 19:08:26 -0800 From: "Jim Blair" Subject: Re: fsj: headlight comparisson A: Hella has a new replacement where the lens is focused from the back of the headlight bucket rather than the front glass. Dan, I would suggest looking at the replacement units that hold the H4 bulbs. You have Cibie, Bosch and IPF as choices... out of those three I highly recommend the IPFs because of superior lens quality. Either way, those H4 replacements will permit you to install higher wattage bulbs and get the proper european spread. If you go with higher wattage I also recommend installing relays in the circuit so you're not toasting your headlight switch. ARB had an H4 relay harness kit, was written up in a few mags a while back. http://www.wagoneers.com/JEEPS/IPF/ I've got the pictures and details from doing SuperDawg, my son's J3000, a Diesel Benz and an XJ... If you don't want to replace the units with the H4 assemblies, or can't, like on a newer vehicle, the SilverStar replacements are quite good. I went that way on my '91 300D and am quite happy. I know the H4 types come in both Round and Rectangular... john ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 20:29:36 -0800 From: "Jim Blair" Subject: fsj: SNORT4x4 forum - PARTING OUT 1989 GRAND WAGONEER in Edmonds, WA http://www.snort4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=17187 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 15:10:46 -0600 From: JeepNut Subject: fsj: Info on AMC20? Hi guys, Well the holidays have been wonderful here in West TN. On the way to work Wednesday before Christmas I got about 1 mile from the office and that grinding noise I've been worried about finally stopped. Oh, it was because the LR axle/wheel assembly departed the vehicle as I was running about 50mph. WHEE! I was watching in the mirrors while steering the sled, now spewing sparks as the backing plate started grinding itself flat on the roadbed, to the side of the road. The thing careened across the road behind me to the right side of the road, off an embankment, POGO'ED airborne off the axle then wobbled, bounced, rolled, and otherwise made it across 7 lanes of traffic to the opposite shoulder where it stopped without hitting ANY other vehicles. This in itself was flat out amazing. So I got to spend the coldest days of the year so far out on the carport concrete floor, in a 20-30mph wind for 3 or 4 days, with temps in the single digits overnight, and teens/20s during the day taking the rear end out of the RezRunner (bless you Vince, where ever you are!) and taking the rear out of the '88 and swapping them. Now assembled and running again, it seems like a strong rear. No grinding in this puppy. But I know the '81 carried the venerable AMC20 but I have no idea if this pup has a trac-loc or whatever in it. Vince's comcast mail account is closed so not sure how to reach him to ask... The pumpkin has some numbers raised in the steel but I doubt that those tell me things like gear ratio and whether it is trac-loc or not. There is a large N then below that 428 below that 826 then 1 A 3235428 with the A circled. Also 2 designs, one like a clock face with one hand pointing at "3". The other design is just a 123 symbol with the pointer at 2. I plan to change the gear oil so I'll know if there's a trac-loc when I pull the cover, but I am not sure how to tell what the gears are so I'm afraid to use my 4x4 full mode in the NP229. I know there's something about rotating the wheel and watching the driveshaft. What's the formula? I rotated the tire one full turn and the drive shaft rotated only about 1.7 times. Any ideas? Also if anyone knows the part number for the gasket that would be cool. NAPA's books do not show the AMC 20 at all. Only lists a variety of Dana rears for J10, J20, GW, Wagoneers, etc. since '63. oh, p.s. I KNEW the bearing was bad... that's what came apart. It has been grinding for several weeks, but I had no more vacation days. I was GOING to fix it over the holiday on my 4 day weekend, but the weather turned ugly quick on us that week and as cold as it was, I can guarantee you there is no way I would have done it... so all in all I guess it was a good thing.... no one got hurt and I got the rear end dealt with, cold though it was. - -- Apparently common sense is a finite resource. Unfortunately the population continues to expand. - ---------------------------------------------------------- '87 Street Comanche #24/100 '88 Grand Wagoneer ...and they say there's only one... '92 Cherokee Laredo - ---------------------------------------------------------- Registered Linux user #287453 ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #2328 **************************