From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Wed Jan 12 07:49:52 2005 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Wednesday, January 12 2005 Volume 01 : Number 2339 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: fsj: Re: [db] Diesel Article in Mechanical Engineering Magazine fsj: boston trip fsj: seek help? :) fsj: Re: boston trip fsj: Re: Re: fsj - adapter/clocking ring AW4 fsj: Re: [db] boston trip fsj: Re: [db] 75 Cherokee Re: fsj: Re: [db] 75 Cherokee Re: fsj: Re: [db] 75 Cherokee fsj: Re: Re: [db] 75 Cherokee fsj: Re: Re: [db] boston trip fsj: boston - sat/sun road trip FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 21:34:42 -0800 From: john meister Subject: fsj: Re: [db] Diesel Article in Mechanical Engineering Magazine Black, Waylon wrote: Good read. indeed... john http://www.memagazine.org/contents/current/features/newdawn/newdawn.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 21:33:07 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: fsj: boston trip it was looking like I'd fly out thursday (from seattle), work Friday and then fly home late Saturday... about the time we're printing out the trip plan for approval the head guy comes out and says we changed everything... you can't get it all done friday so you'll have to stay over the weekend and leave late monday... so... my objective is to hit as many states as possible on Saturday. :) I figure I'll get a rental car drive down to Rhode Island, over to CT, then up to VT, over to NH, into Maine and back down to Boston... just need to cross the borders... plan on doing real sight seeing in boston, maybe meet up with as many list folks as I can along the way and maybe have dinner or lunch along the way. How long will that all take? :) The maps don't make sense to me... It doesn't look like any of that is very far... out west the same plan would take about four days... :) I remember when I was back in Pennsylvannia to teach a class... I drove down to DC and back in one day! Couldn't believe it... dang near takes longer to get to Portland from Seattle... :) With these states "visited", the only two states left for me to see will be Alaska and Louisana. :) The former sounds like a good Jeep trip! Hmmm... 6.2L Diesel into a '75 Cherokee might work... :) http://www.wagoneers.com/FSJ/rigs/75-NT-Cherokee/ got to see if we can fix the body enough so we don't fall through the floorboards. ;) john ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 07:55:00 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: fsj: seek help? :) oh, you can't see all of them there... :) that's curtis's collection, only part of mine is showing in that picture. ;) two of mine are there, and a third one that I just gave him... :) john On Tue, 11 Jan 2005, Jim Hoffman wrote: >--> http://www.wagoneers.com/FSJ/rigs/75-NT-Cherokee/ got to see if we >-->> can fix the body enough so we don't fall through the floorboards. ;) >-->> >-->> john >--> >-->Hmmm... A Jeep being pulled by a Jeep being followed by yet another >-->Jeep... >--> >-->Seek help! >--> >-->;) >--> >-->Jim/ >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 12:02:59 -0800 From: "Jim Blair" Subject: fsj: Re: boston trip A: It won't take long to visit all those places. I don't know how they get traffic to sit still long enough to get shots of "rush hour" backups, but when I drove around there it seemed like the posted limit was for the slow lane and offramps only! Average speed was an Autobahnish 120 mph (and STILL people were passing me!) from Boston to Cape Cod and over to Tennessee. it was looking like I'd fly out thursday (from seattle), work Friday and then fly home late Saturday... about the time we're printing out the trip plan for approval the head guy comes out and says we changed everything... you can't get it all done friday so you'll have to stay over the weekend and leave late monday... so... my objective is to hit as many states as possible on Saturday. :) I figure I'll get a rental car drive down to Rhode Island, over to CT, then up to VT, over to NH, into Maine and back down to Boston... just need to cross the borders... plan on doing real sight seeing in boston, maybe meet up with as many list folks as I can along the way and maybe have dinner or lunch along the way. How long will that all take? :) The maps don't make sense to me... It doesn't look like any of that is very far... out west the same plan would take about four days... :) I remember when I was back in Pennsylvannia to teach a class... I drove down to DC and back in one day! Couldn't believe it... dang near takes longer to get to Portland from Seattle... :) With these states "visited", the only two states left for me to see will be Alaska and Louisana. :) The former sounds like a good Jeep trip! Hmmm... 6.2L Diesel into a '75 Cherokee might work... :) http://www.wagoneers.com/FSJ/rigs/75-NT-Cherokee/ got to see if we can fix the body enough so we don't fall through the floorboards. ;) john ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 13:26:25 -0800 From: "Jim Blair" Subject: fsj: Re: Re: fsj - adapter/clocking ring AW4 I got it for $85 and some used parts swap. (-at-$100) John wrote: what did it cost? put it on my server: http://www.wagoneers.com/FSJ/tech/jims-adapter-ring.JPG On Sun, 9 Jan 2005, Jim Blair wrote: >-->One adapter ring. Roughly 3/4" thick. Bought used, so I'm not sure what >the >-->part number is. (now I can bolt up a NP208J to my 23 spline AW4 for my >-->Comanche, IF I don't go with the NV242 instead. My wife is still hemming >and >-->hawing over dumping her '01 Subaru and keeping the Comanche for herself) >--> >--> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 13:49:45 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: fsj: Re: [db] boston trip On Tue, 11 Jan 2005, Kevin Pekarek wrote: >-->On Mon, Jan 10, 2005 at 09:33:07PM -0800, john wrote: >-->> it was looking like I'd fly out thursday (from seattle), work Friday >-->> and then fly home late Saturday... about the time we're printing out >-->> the trip plan for approval the head guy comes out and says we changed >-->> everything... you can't get it all done friday so you'll have >-->> to stay over the weekend and leave late monday... so... my objective >-->> is to hit as many states as possible on Saturday. :) >--> >-->States are smaller on the east coast, so you don't need as much saddle time >-->to pass through them. yeah, weird... almost like Europe. :) >--> >-->> I figure I'll get a rental car drive down to Rhode Island, over to >-->> CT, then up to VT, over to NH, into Maine and back down to Boston... >-->Make sure it's through a rental car company that doesn't care if you cross >-->state lines. Some do, some don't, and often, the ones that do like to jack the >-->rate when the tracking beacon in the car shows that you crossed a border. hey, by the time they track me down I'll have completed my journey. ;) >-->I hate rental cars, and I hate flying, so I drive. And your 300D gets better >-->mileage than mine. hey, I offered to drive... would save them a lot of money considering my tickets on such short notice cost $750+... but it seems they want me in both places at the same time... ;) I could probably make it there in 4 days drivin' hard, but they want it done before I could get there. ;) Hey, Kev, you do anything with disksuite? catch ya off line if you do... (you're an HP-UX guy, right? I miss my hp's... ;) >-->> The maps don't make sense to me... >-->Turn them over :) cool, there's squiggly lines on it! wonder what those are.. :0 actually, I think I need a newer map... mine is the USA from 1977 edition... that corner of the country is really small... need a magnifying glass. ;) when I get some time I'll load my GPS maps/sw... :) Maybe I'll do that on the plane... will they let me turn on my GPS??? >-->> With these states "visited", the only two states left for me to >-->> see will be Alaska and Louisana. :) The former sounds like a good >-->> Jeep trip! Hmmm... 6.2L Diesel into a '75 Cherokee might work... :) >-->> http://www.wagoneers.com/FSJ/rigs/75-NT-Cherokee/ got to see if we >-->> can fix the body enough so we don't fall through the floorboards. ;) >--> >-->A friend of mine dealt with a rust hole on his chevy by welding a "wrong >-->way" sign he had gotten somewhere into the hole. He put it writing down, >-->under the theory that if he ever rolled it, it would show "wrong way". :) >-->K now that's cool. I'm thinking a mid-70's Wagoneer loaded with a 6.2L Diesel, luxury appointments from a later GW and a few other serious mods will be a good AlCan highway cruiser... :) The 75 NT looks nice, but 2drs is a bit impractical, I think that's why my wife disklikes superdawg... :) john ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 15:21:12 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: fsj: Re: [db] 75 Cherokee On Tue, 11 Jan 2005, Black, Waylon wrote: >-->Oh keeper of FSJ... >--> >-->What year(s) Cherokee is that body style available? started out in '74, went through '83... (actually the NT may have ended earlier... will have to look.) >-->http://www.wagoneers.com/FSJ/rigs/75-NT-Cherokee/ >--> >-->Were they available in 2WD? A Wagoneer with only 2 doors and pop out yes. they had 2dr wagoneers up until '70 I think. >-->windows looks pretty good. I think that is the first one I've seen. I >-->don't see much mold but I do see some rust. ;) >--> >-->I'd trade a 1979 Wag for a 2 door 2WD Cherokee - if such a creature >-->exists. I can make one 2wd... ;) >-->And you want to blame the Honduh crowd for the 'wing on the back' thing? naw, that keeps the rear window clear... that's a good thing... :) they did that on wagons way back in the '60's... :) try to put them on all my units like this... my jimmy doesn't have one, rear window is a mess right now. :) john >-->LOL >--> >-->Waylon Black >-->Little Elm, Texas >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 18:59:58 CST From: Dan Black Subject: Re: fsj: Re: [db] 75 Cherokee john said: {- >-->And you want to blame the Honduh crowd for the 'wing on the back' thing? {- naw, that keeps the rear window clear... that's a good thing... :) No, it doesn't. Don't spread rumors. ;) {- they did that on wagons way back in the '60's... :) try to put them {- on all my units like this... my jimmy doesn't have one, rear window is {- a mess right now. :) I've had FSJs with and without them. There's no difference. Seriously. Your back window _will_ get messy, and no faster or slower with or without the back wing. I just took the one off my '74 a month or two ago. Had it for, what, over four years with the wing; it got just as dirty, just as fast. Your only hope is a rear wiper (with washer, of course), which wasn't added 'til the '89 model year for the Grand Wagoneers. You might be able to add one yourself; I don't know. If you think it makes a difference, I've got one sitting in the garage I'll happily sell you. I don't think it was from the factory, but you will NOT convince me that was the difference between a clean and a messy window. Or that "the angle wasn't quite right", or any other excuse. http://dan.black.org/74Wag/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. -- Hanlon's Razor - -------------- Dan Black ------------------------- dan-at-black.org -------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 20:32:52 -0800 From: "Jim Blair" Subject: Re: fsj: Re: [db] 75 Cherokee The difference seems to be if your Jeep with the wing is lifted and/or it has oil leaks. When Elmo wasn't leaking oil (like it was towards the end of the 282 6 cyl's life) my back window was fine all year round. Afterwards (and especially after the Y2K lifting) it was horrible to keep clean. About every 100 miles it needed de-greasing! john said: {- >-->And you want to blame the Honduh crowd for the 'wing on the back' thing? {- naw, that keeps the rear window clear... that's a good thing... :) No, it doesn't. Don't spread rumors. ;) {- they did that on wagons way back in the '60's... :) try to put them {- on all my units like this... my jimmy doesn't have one, rear window is {- a mess right now. :) I've had FSJs with and without them. There's no difference. Seriously. Your back window _will_ get messy, and no faster or slower with or without the back wing. I just took the one off my '74 a month or two ago. Had it for, what, over four years with the wing; it got just as dirty, just as fast. Your only hope is a rear wiper (with washer, of course), which wasn't added 'til the '89 model year for the Grand Wagoneers. You might be able to add one yourself; I don't know. If you think it makes a difference, I've got one sitting in the garage I'll happily sell you. I don't think it was from the factory, but you will NOT convince me that was the difference between a clean and a messy window. Or that "the angle wasn't quite right", or any other excuse. http://dan.black.org/74Wag/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. - -- Hanlon's Razor - -------------- Dan Black ------------------------- dan-at-black.org -------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 20:39:42 -0800 From: "Jim Blair" Subject: fsj: Re: Re: [db] 75 Cherokee A: Same basic body style as the Wagoneer back to '63 except the tail lights. NT was still available in '83 (remember Elmo?) in 4 dr and 2 dr NT (Kevin from FLa's rig) as well as WT (my son's '83 choptop buggy is one of the last of the WT rigs) My son may end up selling his 7" lifted 360 Mopar/727/NP208J powered project soon to move back to BC. His mother and step-dad aren't doing well health-wise. On Tue, 11 Jan 2005, Black, Waylon wrote: >-->Oh keeper of FSJ... >--> >-->What year(s) Cherokee is that body style available? started out in '74, went through '83... (actually the NT may have ended earlier... will have to look.) >-->http://www.wagoneers.com/FSJ/rigs/75-NT-Cherokee/ >--> >-->Were they available in 2WD? A Wagoneer with only 2 doors and pop out yes. they had 2dr wagoneers up until '70 I think. >-->windows looks pretty good. I think that is the first one I've seen. I >-->don't see much mold but I do see some rust. ;) >--> >-->I'd trade a 1979 Wag for a 2 door 2WD Cherokee - if such a creature >-->exists. I can make one 2wd... ;) >-->And you want to blame the Honduh crowd for the 'wing on the back' thing? naw, that keeps the rear window clear... that's a good thing... :) they did that on wagons way back in the '60's... :) try to put them on all my units like this... my jimmy doesn't have one, rear window is a mess right now. :) john >-->LOL >--> >-->Waylon Black >-->Little Elm, Texas >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 20:42:23 -0800 From: "Jim Blair" Subject: fsj: Re: Re: [db] boston trip A: Check the list of things you can't take as carry on anymore. I'm pretty sure GPS is one of them because they are reverse engineerable (is that a word?) to allow missiles to lock in. On Tue, 11 Jan 2005, Kevin Pekarek wrote: >-->On Mon, Jan 10, 2005 at 09:33:07PM -0800, john wrote: >-->> it was looking like I'd fly out thursday (from seattle), work Friday >-->> and then fly home late Saturday... about the time we're printing out >-->> the trip plan for approval the head guy comes out and says we changed >-->> everything... you can't get it all done friday so you'll have >-->> to stay over the weekend and leave late monday... so... my >objective >-->> is to hit as many states as possible on Saturday. :) >--> >-->States are smaller on the east coast, so you don't need as much saddle >time >-->to pass through them. yeah, weird... almost like Europe. :) >--> >-->> I figure I'll get a rental car drive down to Rhode Island, over to >-->> CT, then up to VT, over to NH, into Maine and back down to Boston... >-->Make sure it's through a rental car company that doesn't care if you >cross >-->state lines. Some do, some don't, and often, the ones that do like to >jack the >-->rate when the tracking beacon in the car shows that you crossed a >border. hey, by the time they track me down I'll have completed my journey. ;) >-->I hate rental cars, and I hate flying, so I drive. And your 300D gets >better >-->mileage than mine. hey, I offered to drive... would save them a lot of money considering my tickets on such short notice cost $750+... but it seems they want me in both places at the same time... ;) I could probably make it there in 4 days drivin' hard, but they want it done before I could get there. ;) Hey, Kev, you do anything with disksuite? catch ya off line if you do... (you're an HP-UX guy, right? I miss my hp's... ;) >-->> The maps don't make sense to me... >-->Turn them over :) cool, there's squiggly lines on it! wonder what those are.. :0 actually, I think I need a newer map... mine is the USA from 1977 edition... that corner of the country is really small... need a magnifying glass. ;) when I get some time I'll load my GPS maps/sw... :) Maybe I'll do that on the plane... will they let me turn on my GPS??? >-->> With these states "visited", the only two states left for me to >-->> see will be Alaska and Louisana. :) The former sounds like a good >-->> Jeep trip! Hmmm... 6.2L Diesel into a '75 Cherokee might work... >:) >-->> http://www.wagoneers.com/FSJ/rigs/75-NT-Cherokee/ got to see if we >-->> can fix the body enough so we don't fall through the floorboards. ;) >--> >-->A friend of mine dealt with a rust hole on his chevy by welding a "wrong >-->way" sign he had gotten somewhere into the hole. He put it writing down, >-->under the theory that if he ever rolled it, it would show "wrong way". >:) >-->K now that's cool. I'm thinking a mid-70's Wagoneer loaded with a 6.2L Diesel, luxury appointments from a later GW and a few other serious mods will be a good AlCan highway cruiser... :) The 75 NT looks nice, but 2drs is a bit impractical, I think that's why my wife disklikes superdawg... :) john ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 00:11:58 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: fsj: boston - sat/sun road trip heading out noon thursday, arrive midnight... work all day friday... plans are to drive to/through VT, CT, RI, NH, ME and MA. on Saturday... or Sunday... more work on Monday, fly home late... back to the day job on Tues. :) (worked out fine, teaching a class on Wed nights!) JB and Bob email a phone & address off list... going to try and meet up with fred from the dieselbenz list, he's down toward RI. If he's free Saturday, I'll swing south and west, if he's not, but free Sunday, I'll probably head north to Maine, cut over to NH/VT, and back down to Boston... if possible we can meet up for a cup of coffee and check out your rig. :) Have camera, do travel. :) I'll have both a verizon and a cingular cell with me... only bringing one laptop... I can check this account on my verizon cell... (can't reply to the list though, yeah, yeah, I know... y'all will have a quiet weekend. ;) later, john ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #2339 **************************