From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Fri Mar 18 11:06:09 2005 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Friday, March 18 2005 Volume 01 : Number 2387 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: fsj: Los Gatos (FSJ spotting) Re: fsj: Re: More FSJ spotting Re: fsj: Re: More FSJ spotting Re: fsj: Re: More FSJ spotting fsj: FS:87 Grand Wagoneer in AZ (not mine) Re: fsj: Re: More FSJ spotting Re: fsj: Re: More FSJ spotting fsj: diesel dreams continue... reality? fsj: '79 3.0L specs - mileage and power... hmmm... RE: fsj: Re: More FSJ spotting Re: fsj: Re: More FSJ spotting Re: fsj: '79 3.0L specs - mileage and power... hmmm... fsj: Re: [db] '79 3.0L specs - mileage and power... hmmm... Re: fsj: '79 3.0L specs - mileage and power... hmmm... 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Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 14:58:53 -0500 (EST) From: john Subject: Re: fsj: Los Gatos (FSJ spotting) http://www.sccfd.org/originals/jeep_67.jpg john On Thu, 17 Mar 2005, Jim Blair wrote: >-->1/2 way down the page is Fire engine 7, an FSJ! >-->http://www.sccfd.org/station_3.html >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 16:30:56 -0500 (EST) From: john Subject: Re: fsj: Re: More FSJ spotting cool. where is that, viet nam? john On Thu, 17 Mar 2005, Tom & Lisa King wrote: >-->Here mine! >--> >-->http://www.tomnlisa.com/files/M715.JPG >--> >-->Tom >-->> >-->> From: "Neal Hoover" >-->> Date: 2005/03/17 Thu AM 07:09:18 EST >-->> To: >-->> Subject: fsj: Re: More FSJ spotting >-->> >-->> now THAT rocks! >-->> >-->> Neal A. Hoover >-->> Project '76 J-10 >-->> Project '96 XJ >-->> http://community.webshots.com/user/proj96xj >-->> ----- Original Message ----- >-->> From: "Jim Blair" >-->> To: "me" >-->> Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 3:46 AM >-->> Subject: fsj: More FSJ spotting >-->> >-->> >-->> > Franklin Mass truck >-->> > http://www.franklin.ma.us/town/fire/images/Squd6.jpg >-->> > >-->> > >-->> > -- >-->> > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. >-->> > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >-->> > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.6.2 - Release Date: 3/4/05 >-->> > >-->> > >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> -- >-->> Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. >-->> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >-->> Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.6.2 - Release Date: 3/4/05 >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 20:12:51 -0500 From: "Neal Hoover" Subject: Re: fsj: Re: More FSJ spotting that's an awsome rig, Tom! what can you tell me about it? do y ou have a web info page on it? Neal A. Hoover Project '76 J-10 Project '96 XJ http://community.webshots.com/user/proj96xj - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom & Lisa King" To: ; Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 9:05 AM Subject: Re: fsj: Re: More FSJ spotting > Here mine! > > http://www.tomnlisa.com/files/M715.JPG > > Tom > > > > From: "Neal Hoover" > > Date: 2005/03/17 Thu AM 07:09:18 EST > > To: > > Subject: fsj: Re: More FSJ spotting > > > > now THAT rocks! > > > > Neal A. Hoover > > Project '76 J-10 > > Project '96 XJ > > http://community.webshots.com/user/proj96xj > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jim Blair" > > To: "me" > > Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 3:46 AM > > Subject: fsj: More FSJ spotting > > > > > > > Franklin Mass truck > > > http://www.franklin.ma.us/town/fire/images/Squd6.jpg > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > > > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > > > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.6.2 - Release Date: 3/4/05 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.6.2 - Release Date: 3/4/05 > > > > > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.6.2 - Release Date: 3/4/05 > > - -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.6.2 - Release Date: 3/4/05 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 19:46:53 -0800 From: "Jim Blair" Subject: Re: fsj: Re: More FSJ spotting Try Odessa Florida! cool. where is that, viet nam? john On Thu, 17 Mar 2005, Tom & Lisa King wrote: >-->Here mine! >--> >-->http://www.tomnlisa.com/files/M715.JPG >--> >-->Tom ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 20:08:53 -0800 From: "Jim Blair" Subject: fsj: FS:87 Grand Wagoneer in AZ (not mine) From: "Ernie" Subject: FS:87 Grand Wagoneer 87 Grand Wagoneer Located in Queen Creek,AZ $1100. Full Power,Title, Air, Leather, good tires, In need of a new owner and TLC. See pictures or email for additional information. Thanks for looking http://87grand-wagoneer.mypicgallery.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 00:57:05 -0500 (EST) From: john Subject: Re: fsj: Re: More FSJ spotting On Thu, 17 Mar 2005, Jim Blair wrote: >-->Try Odessa Florida! >-->cool. where is that, viet nam? >-->john I was close... ;) john >--> >-->On Thu, 17 Mar 2005, Tom & Lisa King wrote: >--> >-->>-->Here mine! >-->>--> >-->>-->http://www.tomnlisa.com/files/M715.JPG >-->>--> >-->>-->Tom >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 01:07:29 -0500 (EST) From: john Subject: Re: fsj: Re: More FSJ spotting On Thu, 17 Mar 2005, Jim Blair wrote: >-->Try Odessa Florida! similar climates... similar bugs... similar snakes... totally different population though... ain't no rednecks or old new yawkers in nam though... ;) john >--> >--> >--> >-->cool. where is that, viet nam? >--> >-->john >--> >-->On Thu, 17 Mar 2005, Tom & Lisa King wrote: >--> >-->>-->Here mine! >-->>--> >-->>-->http://www.tomnlisa.com/files/M715.JPG >-->>--> >-->>-->Tom >--> >--> >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 01:58:45 -0500 (EST) From: john Subject: fsj: diesel dreams continue... reality? well, it looks like I may have the makings of my Diesel dream... one of the guys on the diesel-benz list just had his benz rear ended... it's high mileage but it sounds like the engine/trans is tight... nice 3.0L TD. Will check it all out and pull the engine/trans and start looking for an XJ that needs "motor"vation... Next step will be figuring out a divorced xfr case setup or making an adapter. Problem is finding a nice clean XJ that actually has a bad engine... those 4.0L's are pretty incredible... I suppose I could find a mid-80's vintage that has the crappiest engine ever put in a Jeep... the chevy 2.8L V6... problem is the engine bay may not be long enough for the 5 cylinder Diesel... will have to measure it vs. the 4.0L. The 4.0L will not fit in the pre'87 xj's. I need to get rid of the '83 Jimmy with the 6.2L real soon... The '58 Willys wagon is due home soon too... this could get interesting real soon... Wait... I might be able to hide a car in the parking garage at work... I wonder if they'd notice.... ;) john ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 02:26:35 -0500 (EST) From: john Subject: fsj: '79 3.0L specs - mileage and power... hmmm... OM 617A 5 cylinder Turbo Diesel - 1979 300SD 110hp at 4,200rpm / 170ft/lb at 2400 rpm trans 1: 3.98:1 2: 2.39:1 3: 1.46:1 4: 1:1 rear axle 3.07 engine rpm at 62mph 2,580rpm max engine speed 4,350rpm - top speed 103mph the '79 300SD specs: 112.8" WB track 59.9" 73.6" wide length 205.5" weight 3,839lbs !!! 0 to 62mph (100km) 12.7 seconds. 22mpg 21.7 gal tank. ...ok, you snicker that the 110 hp... but take a look at the 0 to 60 time and the weight... those numbers tell the real story. a mid-80's XJ fully dressed tips the scale around 3,500lbs... roughly 300lbs lighter than this beast... My '83 J10 stepside with the cast iron 4.2L engine and dual tanks only weighed about 4,100lbs... only 200lbs heavier... hmmm... 4.10 gears combined with the AW4 adapted to this engine might work after all... I'll take 0 to 60 in 13 seconds with ANY Diesel with a smile on my face... especially considering that my '81 Wagoneer Limited modified could only do it in 15 seconds. This is a durable, long lived engine that should work quite well for my Jeep Diesel project. :) SuperDawg, a yet to be found XJ or the Willys? time will tell... thank you Paul... john more specs: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/tech/engine-specs.html year - engine - HP -at- rpm - torque -at- rpm - -------------------------------------- 83 - J10 4.2L - 115 hp -at- 3,200 - 210 ft lbs -at- 1,800 <-- original 97 - ZJ 4.0L - 185 hp -at- 4,600 - 220 ft lbs -at- 2,400 <-- superdawg transplant 99 - WJ 4.7L - 235 hp -at- 4,800 - 295 ft lbs -at- 3,200 <-- WJ limited 99 - WJ 4.0L - 195 hp -at- 4,600 - 230 ft lbs -at- 3,000 <-- WJ laredo 83 - J10 360V8 - 129 hp -at- 3,700 - 245 ft lbs -at- 1,600 <-- Old Blue 88 - XJ 4.0L - 177 hp -at- 4,500 - 224 ft lbs -at- 2,500 <-- little wagoneer 91 - XJ 4.0L - 190 hp -at- 4,750 - 225 ft lbs -at- 4,000 97 - ZJ 5.2L - 220 hp -at- 4,400 - 300 ft lbs -at- 3,200 78 - SJ 401V8 - 215 hp -at- 4,400 - 320 ft lbs -at- 2,800 <-- 401 V8 88 - GM 6.2L Dsl- 130 hp -at- 3,600 - 240 ft lbs -at- 2,000 GAS V8s 88 - GM 350V8-FI- 210 hp -at- 4,000 - 300 ft lbs -at- 2,800 89 - Ford 302-FI- 185 hp -at- 3,400 - 270 ft lbs -at- 2,400 Mercedes Diesels - -------------------------------- 85 - 190D 2.2L - 72 hp -at- 4,200 - 96 ft lbs -at- 2,800 (normally aspirated) <-- ludwig 83 - 240D 2.4L - 72 hp -at- 4,400 - 97 ft lbs -at- 2,400 (normally aspirated) 87 - 190D 2.5L - 123 hp -at- 4,600 - 168 ft lbs -at- 2,400 (TURBO) 81 - 300D 3.0L - 88 hp -at- 4,400 - 126.6 ft lbs -at- 2,400 (normally aspirated) <-- fritz 83 - 300SD 3.0L - 125 hp -at- 4,350 - 170 ft lbs -at- 2,400 (TURBO) - --------------------------------------------- 2.2L = 134.2522 cubic inches 2.4L = 146.457 cubic inches 3.0L = 183.0712 cubic inches 4.7L = 286.8116 cubic inches 4.0L = 244.095 cubic inches (4.0L Jeep is 242 cu in. - 3.9xxxL) 5.899343L = 360 cubic inches 6.571213L = 401 cubic inches - ------------------------- ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 02:41:31 -0500 (EST) From: john Subject: RE: fsj: Re: More FSJ spotting On Thu, 17 Mar 2005, Tom & Lisa King wrote: >-->LOL! Nope Florida. My backyard!! :) y'all be careful down there... it's not really a very safe place... with all 4 poisonous snakes, bugs bigger than some small dogs and all those retired new yorkers... shudder... scarey place... :) and pretty dang humid too. ;) john >--> >-->-----Original Message----- >-->From: owner-fsj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-fsj-at-digest.net]On Behalf Of >-->john >-->Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 4:31 PM >-->To: Tom & Lisa King >-->Cc: proj96xj-at-bellsouth.net; fsj-at-digest.net >-->Subject: Re: fsj: Re: More FSJ spotting >--> >--> >-->cool. where is that, viet nam? >--> >-->john >--> >-->On Thu, 17 Mar 2005, Tom & Lisa King wrote: >--> >-->>-->Here mine! >-->>--> >-->>-->http://www.tomnlisa.com/files/M715.JPG >-->>--> >-->>-->Tom >-->>-->> >-->>-->> From: "Neal Hoover" >-->>-->> Date: 2005/03/17 Thu AM 07:09:18 EST >-->>-->> To: >-->>-->> Subject: fsj: Re: More FSJ spotting >-->>-->> >-->>-->> now THAT rocks! >-->>-->> >-->>-->> Neal A. Hoover >-->>-->> Project '76 J-10 >-->>-->> Project '96 XJ >-->>-->> http://community.webshots.com/user/proj96xj >-->>-->> ----- Original Message ----- >-->>-->> From: "Jim Blair" >-->>-->> To: "me" >-->>-->> Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 3:46 AM >-->>-->> Subject: fsj: More FSJ spotting >-->>-->> >-->>-->> >-->>-->> > Franklin Mass truck >-->>-->> > http://www.franklin.ma.us/town/fire/images/Squd6.jpg >-->>-->> > >-->>-->> > >-->>-->> > -- >-->>-->> > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. >-->>-->> > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >-->>-->> > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.6.2 - Release Date: 3/4/05 >-->>-->> > >-->>-->> > >-->>-->> >-->>-->> >-->>-->> >-->>-->> >-->>-->> -- >-->>-->> Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. >-->>-->> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >-->>-->> Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.6.2 - Release Date: 3/4/05 >-->>--> >--> >--> ---- >--> >-->------------------------------------------------------------------------- >--> ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** >--> Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. >-->------------------------------------------------------------------------- >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 06:38:26 -0500 From: "Neal Hoover" Subject: Re: fsj: Re: More FSJ spotting that's awsome, Tom! heck yeah, go for the 5.87s! ;) every once in a while i see an M715 for sale around here. i drool and lust over them, but i'm having a large enough time trying to get my j-truck put together and on the road. i think i'd get served divorce papers if i drug home yet ANOTHER jeep! (i think my total right now is 5 1/2) Neal A. Hoover Project '76 J-10 Project '96 XJ http://community.webshots.com/user/proj96xj - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom & Lisa King" To: "Neal Hoover" ; "Tom & Lisa King" ; Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 8:22 PM Subject: RE: fsj: Re: More FSJ spotting > My website is www.tomnlisa.com but unfortunately I haven't gotten time to > put any M715 info out there yet. > > 1967 Kaiser M715 #13333 26,000+ miles > PTO driven winch > > all stock w/ the following exceptions: > . 5:87 swapped out for 4:63(?) don't remember off hand > . locking front hubs > . civi-fuel pump > . Buckshot Mudders > > I also have the stock fording kit and pipes yet to install. Has rare stock > driveshaft movement kit installed. This moves the driveshaft from the > secondary transfercase output to the primary drive via a yoke mounted to the > e-brake disk. This cuts down on heat at higher speeds. > > Engine and tranny all rebuilt. brakes rebuilt. Runs like a champ! Used it > during the hurricanes this past year to clear roads and property of 80-90 > felled trees! Couple of logging chains and off we go!! Thing is a brute! > Low 1 is brutal even with the higher diff gears. Can you imagine if I put > the 5:87s back in? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Neal Hoover [mailto:proj96xj-at-bellsouth.net] > Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 8:13 PM > To: Tom & Lisa King; fsj-at-digest.net > Subject: Re: fsj: Re: More FSJ spotting > > > that's an awsome rig, Tom! > what can you tell me about it? > do y ou have a web info page on it? > > Neal A. Hoover > Project '76 J-10 > Project '96 XJ > http://community.webshots.com/user/proj96xj > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tom & Lisa King" > To: ; > Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 9:05 AM > Subject: Re: fsj: Re: More FSJ spotting > > > > Here mine! > > > > http://www.tomnlisa.com/files/M715.JPG > > > > Tom > > > > > > From: "Neal Hoover" > > > Date: 2005/03/17 Thu AM 07:09:18 EST > > > To: > > > Subject: fsj: Re: More FSJ spotting > > > > > > now THAT rocks! > > > > > > Neal A. Hoover > > > Project '76 J-10 > > > Project '96 XJ > > > http://community.webshots.com/user/proj96xj > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Jim Blair" > > > To: "me" > > > Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 3:46 AM > > > Subject: fsj: More FSJ spotting > > > > > > > > > > Franklin Mass truck > > > > http://www.franklin.ma.us/town/fire/images/Squd6.jpg > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > > > > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > > > > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.6.2 - Release Date: 3/4/05 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > > > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > > > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.6.2 - Release Date: 3/4/05 > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.6.2 - Release Date: 3/4/05 > > > > > > > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.6.2 - Release Date: 3/4/05 > > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.6.2 - Release Date: 3/4/05 > > - -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.6.2 - Release Date: 3/4/05 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 07:44:40 CST From: Dan Black Subject: Re: fsj: '79 3.0L specs - mileage and power... hmmm... john said: {- weight 3,839lbs !!! {- 0 to 62mph (100km) 12.7 seconds. 22mpg {- {- ...ok, you snicker that the 110 hp... but {- take a look at the 0 to 60 time and the weight... {- those numbers tell the real story. {- I'll take 0 to 60 in 13 seconds with ANY Diesel with {- a smile on my face... especially considering that my {- '81 Wagoneer Limited modified could only do it in 15 seconds. Heh, my '88 with the 401 (4600lbs empty and dry, give or take) did 0-60 consistently in under 10sec, very close to 9 a couple times. I still need to try it with the different gear ratio -- 3.54s instead of 2.72s, but bigger tires, overall something in the 3.25 range. And _hopefully_ the fuel injection's a bit smoother now, though we're still working on it. Mileage is a different story entirely. :( Though with the 360 (and smooth fuel injection), I hit 19mpg for a 100mi stretch after the FSJ fest in Ouray. And always over 16mpg above 5000' (well, except on the trail, which was still better than I'm getting at the moment at 1000'). Anyway, torque is what gets you off the line, and Diesels are obviously good at that. Anybody try the Liberty Diesel yet? Is it even out? - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hickory dickory dock The mice ran up the clock The clock struck one And the others escaped with minor injuries... - -------------- Dan Black ------------------------- dan-at-black.org -------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 11:03:02 -0500 (EST) From: john Subject: fsj: Re: [db] '79 3.0L specs - mileage and power... hmmm... I'm putting 4.10's in the J10... If I adapt the AW4 to the 3.0L I'll have a .75 overdrive... I have to do the math... an XJ would be easier, but it'll require about 4" of lift to clear the oil pan/axle, unless I can flip the oil pan around on the engine... thoughts? The J10 would be perfect for this as it's got dual tanks... I could run svo in the aux tank and Diesel in the other... easy to reach engine bay, etc. On the other hand, pass me some popcorn, the XJ would be more practical, lighter and I could lift it easily and still fit it in the parking garage. :) john On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 acordova-at-texas.net wrote: >-->Woohoo! John scored an OM617! >--> >-->After looking at the torque ratings of the domestic engines, I would say >-->stick >-->with the XJ. The extra 600 pounds of the J10 over the XJ are probably >-->significant. Granted, you're not expecting a race car, but you do want to be >-->able to quickly get out of your own way some times. >--> >-->This should be good. I think it's time to break out the premium popcorn now. >--> >-->Alec >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 10:59:59 -0500 (EST) From: john Subject: Re: fsj: '79 3.0L specs - mileage and power... hmmm... one of the guys on the WJ list has a KJ in Chicago... he likes it... gets great mileage... cost him $25k out the door... I can convert/rebuild and drive an older SJ or XJ for a long time with that much change. ;) I'm wondering if I shouldn't use the Mercedes Diesel in Superdawg. If I put it in an XJ and start driving it, my wife will win the argument that superdawg is impractical and that I should keep the XJ and sell the J10. It's been so long since I drove SuperDawg I can't remember what it was like... dang, I may not like it any more it's been so blasted long... can't do anything with it either, it's in a million pieces... :( john On Fri, 18 Mar 2005, Dan Black wrote: >-->john said: >-->{- weight 3,839lbs !!! >-->{- 0 to 62mph (100km) 12.7 seconds. 22mpg >-->{- >-->{- ...ok, you snicker that the 110 hp... but >-->{- take a look at the 0 to 60 time and the weight... >-->{- those numbers tell the real story. >--> >-->{- I'll take 0 to 60 in 13 seconds with ANY Diesel with >-->{- a smile on my face... especially considering that my >-->{- '81 Wagoneer Limited modified could only do it in 15 seconds. >--> >-->Heh, my '88 with the 401 (4600lbs empty and dry, give or take) did 0-60 >-->consistently in under 10sec, very close to 9 a couple times. I still >-->need to try it with the different gear ratio -- 3.54s instead of 2.72s, >-->but bigger tires, overall something in the 3.25 range. And _hopefully_ >-->the fuel injection's a bit smoother now, though we're still working on >-->it. >--> >-->Mileage is a different story entirely. :( Though with the 360 (and >-->smooth fuel injection), I hit 19mpg for a 100mi stretch after the FSJ >-->fest in Ouray. And always over 16mpg above 5000' (well, except on the >-->trail, which was still better than I'm getting at the moment at 1000'). >--> >-->Anyway, torque is what gets you off the line, and Diesels are obviously >-->good at that. Anybody try the Liberty Diesel yet? Is it even out? >--> >-->------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >--> Hickory dickory dock >--> The mice ran up the clock >--> The clock struck one >--> And the others escaped with minor injuries... >-->-------------- Dan Black ------------------------- dan-at-black.org -------------- >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #2387 **************************