From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Fri Mar 25 16:14:59 2005 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Friday, March 25 2005 Volume 01 : Number 2396 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: fsj: Re: xj: Am I reading something you guys aren't ?? fsj: time trials - slight problems... fsj: found a $500 '86 XJ fsj: '86 Cherokee Chief - 4 cyl/AT FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 13:44:58 CST From: Dan Black Subject: Re: fsj: Re: xj: Am I reading something you guys aren't ?? john said: {- On Thu, 24 Mar 2005, Daugherty, Walter W. (Laser) wrote: {- >-->I went to the quoted website: {- >-->http://xkjeeps.com/ {- >--> {- >-->And this is what I read----> {- >--> {- >-->The Commander is built on the same platform as the Grand Cherokee, but u {- ses {- >-->very different sheet metal . Perhaps in some respects, an evolutionary u {- pgrade {- >-->to the Jeep "Wagoneer". The Commander is estimated to be 4-5" taller and {- 10" {- >-->longer (?) than the 2005 Grand Cherokee. The GVW Rating (Gross Vehicle W {- eight) {- >-->will be around 6210 lbs. for the base model and 6410 lbs. for the Limite {- d. {- >--> {- >-->4 to 5 inches TALLER than 2005 GC {- >-->10 inches LONGER than 2005 GC (note the author's question mark...) {- >--> {- >-->It isn't very clear, but it is there in black and white............. {- >-->(it looks Land Roverish to me....but enough like an XJ to make me smile) Well, it's there in black and white (grey, actually), but it's on an unofficial site. I can make a web page that says it's 3' (yes, feet) taller and 5' longer and has six wheel drive, but that doesn't make it fact. One of the links I sent earlier today, from the _official_ Jeep site, says: "About two inches longer and nearly four inches taller than the Jeep Grand Cherokee" -- http://www.jeep.com/autoshow/news/commander_design.html And: "And since they have the same wheelbase (109.5 inches), Commander is as maneuverable and off-road capable as the Grand Cherokee." -- http://www.jeep.com/autoshow/news/commander_overview.html And, again: "Commander is the first Jeep vehicle with three rows of seats, yet is only two inches longer than the 2005 Jeep Grand Cherokee. The two vehicles share the same wheelbase - 109.5 inches - meaning Commander is as maneuverable and as off-road capable as the Grand Cherokee. -- http://www.jeep.com/autoshow/news/commander_engineering.html You'd think if they bothered to steal Jeep's own pictures, shamelessly slap their own name on them like the pictures are their own, and post them on their website, they'd at least bother to read the text with it to see the stats before just making up things based on nothing but guesses. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Life would be easier if I had the source code. - -------------- Dan Black ------------------------- dan-at-black.org -------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 00:08:01 -0500 (EST) From: john Subject: fsj: time trials - slight problems... well, the time trials have run into a little snag. (0 to 60 testing an OM617 engine towing my '75 J10 trailer before transplanting said engine into an XJ. ) 1) the battery was dead on the 300SD (couldn't find my jumper cables, so it's on the charger) 2) the hitch on the 300SD is not a stnd 2" :( The course I've selected is brutal. Steep hill... it really troubled the vehicles tested so far. :) The Jimmy scored 43 seconds with the trailer, and 28 seconds without the trailer... I tested it on more level ground and it scored 18 seconds. I think that it's transmission is slipping a bit or not shifting properly though. And of course it's a serious hill... I ran my daughter's '91 grand am up the hill, 18 seconds up, 13 seconds downhill. Then I ran my '91 300D up, 17.5 seconds, 17 seconds down. It didn't feel as fast as usual, might not have been warmed up or this "downhill" part is really uphill... hard to tell sometimes. :) Will test it on more level ground tomorrow. I have to find a plug in hitch for the '79 300SD so I can test it's pulling capability... or I'll just chain one of my bumper hitches on and tie it up with a tow strap... only need to go about a block. :) (I'm not sure I have a really good feeling about going out onto a busy highway with a 2,000lb trailer that isn't fully connected... gonna sleep on that idea... ;) Anyone have a hitch insert that will work? The external part is the same size as what usually slides in... could it be metric???? Only need it for about 15 minutes. later, john ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 13:08:01 -0500 (EST) From: john Subject: fsj: found a $500 '86 XJ just looked at a cheap jeep... 86 xj 2.5L at selectrac... needs tlc, but looks decent. more later, hope to buy it... john ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 16:09:49 -0500 (EST) From: john Subject: fsj: '86 Cherokee Chief - 4 cyl/AT Just bought the '86 Cherokee Chief, 4dr, 2.5L TBI, AT, Selectrac, needs some TLC, but it's got a lot of potential... and it runs! (that's always a bonus. ;) The gal calls "her" "Blue". My XP box at work won't let me download pix off my digital camera, and I have two servers down hard, waiting for field support. I'm gonna do some serious thinking here about the Diesel idea. This vehicle will work fine for it... but I'm looking at 22-26 mpg with the Diesel... and 20-22 mpg (maybe more) with the 2.5L gas. If gas is $2.15/gallon and Diesel is $2.65 (which it is right now) assuming 1,600 miles per month, then: gas rig at 20 mpg costs $172/mo Diesel at 24 mpg costs $177/mo uh... for $5/month I think I'll fix the 300SD and sell it as a runner, it'll cost me about $500 to make it right. let's say the XJ gets 18mpg, same fuel prices: $191/mo and with a Diesel, 26mpg: $163/mo if fuel was the same then it'd be: $191 gas/ $132 Diesel - now it starts becoming important, or at least interesting. :) I'm expecting to see 20mpg out of the 2.5L Gas XJ on my commute, any 2.5L owners out there? What are you getting? Anyone interested in buying a '58 Willys Wagon, '83 GMC Jimmy or a '79 300SD? :) My '91 300d was tanked up last night, 31.5mpg... est. $141/mo... hard to imagine that for $31 more a month I could drive a Jeep... dang overpriced overtaxed fuel. BTW, anyone know what BioDiesel is selling for in the Seattle area, and where to get it? Talking to Fred in Rhode Island, it's heading under $2/gal there because they pulled the road taxes off of it!!! john ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #2396 **************************