From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Fri Apr 15 12:33:52 2005 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Friday, April 15 2005 Volume 01 : Number 2415 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: fsj: Re: [db] another speed bump... fsj: taxes done... what to fix first... fsj: '85 Wagoneer SJ FS... Re: fsj: '85 Wagoneer SJ FS... fsj: Re: [db] 300sD repairs, xj and sjs... all waiting... :) fsj: administrivia: notes on using this list fsj: Re: XJ tranny info FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 02:22:41 -0400 (EDT) From: john Subject: fsj: Re: [db] another speed bump... On Wed, 13 Apr 2005, Kevin Pekarek wrote: >-->I'd talk to the other two shops and feel the guy out to see if he's >-->stuck on small blocks, or is actually interested in building something >-->to suit your application. the cost is also an issue... I still have to pay for paint supplies if curtis finishes superdawg... or pay maaco to paint him... limited funds... >-->> If I can't resolve the transmission issue I'm thinking about >-->> doing the 3.0L TD in the '86 chief... it'll be a bit involved >-->> since I'll have to get a different front core support. >-->Well, you *HAVE* wanted a diesel XJ for a long time... true... and this little '86 is pretty nice... although the '92 would be easier to do the transplant... for crying out loud I have seven vehicles here now... :) and if curtis can't get superdawg done by the end of june then I'll have two more here... rambo and superdawg, probably in a bazillion pieces too. :( I'll have more engine options though, a 232, 258 and 242... :) along with the 2.5L and 3.0L TD. >-->> I need to figure out an inexpensive way of making it work... and >-->> also do determine if my '91 2.5L Turbo Diesel OM 602.962 will tolerate >-->> veggie oil... if it does then I could get an aux tank for it and do >-->> the conversion on it... thoughts? >-->As long as your ambient temperatures stay up, you can get away with cutting >-->#2 50/50 in your 300D. The 602 has a fuel preheater - fuel is warmed before >-->it reaches the injector pump. There are two catches, though: >--> - if the engine is cold, it doesn't help much >--> - if the fuel gels in the line before the heater, you're taking the bus do you think the veggie oil will be ok in this high pressure system? I ran amsoil diesel fuel modifier in it and it started leaking out the seals! never had that happen before... makes me nervous to run anything but pump diesel. >-->My idea of a warm day and yours differ, but I'd imagine if you're at least hey, any thing about 40 degrees is fine... when it gets over 70 degrees I start worrying about overheating... (not the car, me ;) >-->in the fifties, you should be able to get away with it. Start small, though, >-->and see what your engine is happy with - two gallons in twenty is not >-->going to make a big difference, and five in twenty probably won't either. >-->K The savings associated with the 300D aren't that great at 31 mpg... using the veggie oil in the Jimmy makes more sense... but if I do a 50/50 mix there what does that work out to... effectively 36mpg? figuring 18mpg... I wonder if I can sell the '79 300SD without the engine/trans... might be a good rod project for someone with a spare v8 laying around. :) problem is that engine really could use a timing chain and valve adjustment... minor thing I guess... almost done with taxes... might be able to do some quality wrenching this weekend if the Sun V40 shows up tomorrow... have to get it set up asap for a critical project... if I can get it done then i can go to the SUSE conference in Portland on Tuesday... taking Monday off and swapping some FSJ parts for computer chips. ;) will stop by and see how curtis is doing, haven't heard from him in days... need to figure out if he can finish this project, if not I'll start packing stuff back up here. four years is plenty of time... my carport is getting turned into a three bay carport/garage so I'll be able to spread out under cover pretty soon. I'm wondering if the 3.0L would work attached to the AW4 using 4.10 gears... at least I have options... and a lot of junk... I guess I may have to fix the '86 and sell it and get an '87 and up if I go the 3.0L TD route... or keep the white '92 XJ for myself and keep looking for my daughter... :) or trade Rambo to my son for the '87 XJ and set that one up... hmmm... that sounds like a good plan... I could rebuild my 4.2L out of Superdawg and drop it into Rambo... a friend at work is interested in the 4.0L setup... oops, there goes the AW4... rats... torn between parts and cash flow... :) I want to finish these projects but keep running into issues... :) john ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 03:03:22 -0400 (EDT) From: john Subject: fsj: taxes done... what to fix first... what do I fix first? the '86 cherokee chief with the 2.5L / AT, - clogged cat, exhaust manifold issue, loose steering column, electrical problems, bad trans? the '92 cherokee sport with the 4.0L - bad egr, bad lockup/computer torque (shudders at 40+...) or the '79 300SD? - install the trunk/taillight... and sell or should I just sell the hulk and use the 3.0L TD???? :) of course the '83 jimmy 6.2L Diesel needs some AT attention and/or modification to run some of this veggie oil... or do I setup a still and start brewing biodiesel??? right now I need sleep... :) btw, heading down to Portland, OR this weekend for a SUSE conference on Tuesday... looks like Saturday will be my only wrench day, unless I don't have that server setup at work... :) john ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 12:20:07 -0500 From: Subject: fsj: '85 Wagoneer SJ FS... A buddy of mine is selling his SJ in eastern Iowa. Forwarding to this list hoping someone may be interested. Contact him at dave-at-kampnet.net if you're interested in more info... Thanks, Jeremy http://www.iowa4wd.com/ - -----Original Message----- From: Dave Kamp [mailto:dave-at-kampnet.net] Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 11:06 PM To: madxj-at-yahoogroups.com Subject: [MADXJ] '85 Wagoneer SJ FS... Anybody interested?- Fahrtwagen- my '85 Wagoneer SJ is FS... 360/TF727, FT/PT t-case, 31x10.50's on wagon wheels, D44 front, AMC20 rear... Starts-runs, doesn't stop (needs a brake line, possibly a caliper or two). Engine's alright, but does tend to lose a little coolant somewhere. Body is getting rough, but it's still intact... Without plow, $500. With plow- negotiate... can deliver within reason... need driveway space for the new 'company car'. DK :-) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 13:51:45 -0400 (EDT) From: john Subject: Re: fsj: '85 Wagoneer SJ FS... at 10mpg (optimistic), let's see... $550 in fuel, air fare, hotel... repairs... yes, this $500 SJ would probably cost me about $2,500 to get to Seattle. :) a bargain at 10% of the cost... john On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 keej-at-machlink.com wrote: >-->A buddy of mine is selling his SJ in eastern Iowa. Forwarding to this list >-->hoping someone may be interested. Contact him at dave-at-kampnet.net if you're >-->interested in more info... >--> >-->Thanks, >--> >-->Jeremy >-->http://www.iowa4wd.com/ >--> >-->-----Original Message----- >-->From: Dave Kamp [mailto:dave-at-kampnet.net] >-->Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 11:06 PM >-->To: madxj-at-yahoogroups.com >-->Subject: [MADXJ] '85 Wagoneer SJ FS... >--> >--> >--> >-->Anybody interested?- Fahrtwagen- my '85 Wagoneer SJ is FS... 360/TF727, >-->FT/PT t-case, 31x10.50's on wagon wheels, D44 front, AMC20 rear... >-->Starts-runs, doesn't stop (needs a brake line, possibly a caliper or two). >-->Engine's alright, but does tend to lose a little coolant somewhere. Body >-->is getting rough, but it's still intact... Without plow, $500. With plow- >-->negotiate... can deliver within reason... need driveway space for the new >-->'company car'. >--> >-->DK :-) >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 00:28:04 -0400 (EDT) From: john Subject: fsj: Re: [db] 300sD repairs, xj and sjs... all waiting... :) On Thu, 14 Apr 2005, Jerome Kaidor wrote: >-->john wrote: >-->> jerry, if you run out of things to do... just head up >-->*** Wait a second... _You_, John Meister, are insinuating that >-->I am doing a lot of car repair?!? >--> >--> - Jerry Kaidor ( jerry-at-tr2.com ) no, no, not at all sir... quite frankly, not enough... I still have vehicles up here that need your attention. :) I put the trunk lid on the '79 300SD for you. then ran it for a bit... it's doing well. :) Still need to push the taillight section back a bit further to get everything lined up on the 300SD. Should have the 300SD ready for the road this weekend. It needs a home... driveway isn't full, but it ain't going to be either. seven vehicles, well, six and a half, is about the limit... oh wait... I forgot one, seven and a half. ;) Found a loose vacuum line on the '92 Cherokee.. :) Drove it around the yard, 4x4 works, has a stumble off idle now... kind of like a bad coil... will check that out waiting for you to come over. ;) Decided to go for the 6.2L in the J10 despite the bad TH700r4. Dang the speedbumps, full speed ahead. :) Doing the 3.0L in the '86 XJ requires way too much modification, besides the 2.5L in the Cherokee Chief should deliver in the 20's. A friend of mine has one like this and he's getting 22 in town and 28 on the road! Need to fix the tilt column. You know, the 4 bolts Kevin referred to. Curtis sent me a nice tool to help with that for Christmas! I had been using a home made rig that he's probably still snickering at. see the pix at: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/tech/Tilt-Column-Repair/P1010004.JPG and http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/tech/Tilt-Column-Repair/steering-column-pix.jpg I mean what's wrong with the way I've been doing it? ;) Hey, it beats what the PO did on my '83 Jimmy... he just replaced it with a straight column... of course he eliminated the cruise control in the process... :( Speaking of the Jimmy, I am looking forward to that 6.2L in the J10, especially those hydraboost brakes! :) Been surfing ebay looking at spare parts for the 6.2L fuel system. Need to measure the 31 gallon tank to see if it'll fit in the rails of the J10 frame (trailer is here, oh wait, that's different than my stepside, I think... anyway, if it works I'll move the current flat aux steel tank up to the bed and use that to filter and store the raw WVO, then pump it down to the 31 gallon tank... that means with all three tanks filled I'll have about 71 gallons. :) At 20 mpg I should be able to drive to LA without stopping, if I don't drink any coffee... ;) Still haven't had time to research whether I want to make my own biodiesel or deal with the tank heaters and such... Thankfully we don't have to deal with that now. We can just get the 6.2L in SuperDawg as is and deal with the 700r4 later too. Never enough time to do it the way we really want... been waiting four years for my J10, I'm really looking forward to it finally happening... later, john ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 06:15:00 +0000 From: Richard Welty Subject: fsj: administrivia: notes on using this list Digest.Net mailing list "Meta FAQ" These general notes on using Digest.Net mailing lists are posted on the 1st and 15th of each month. 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What is Krusty Motorsports, anyway? Krusty Motorsports (http:/www.krusty-motorsports.com/) is a business which is owned and operated by Richard Welty (rwelty-at-krusty-motorsports.com). Krusty is an S-Corporation in the State of New York. Krusty provides a number of Internet related services, such as mailing list, web sites, pop3/telnet accounts, and consulting on internet related issues. For more information, see the web site. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 09:28:54 -0700 From: "Jim Blair" Subject: fsj: Re: XJ tranny info A: The bellhousing won't fit and the V6 trans isn't strong enough for a V8. The auto is a 904 (V8s barely get by with a 999) with Chev 60 degree pattern (not same as V8 Chev or AMC. We just had this discussion on John's list) and the std trans '84 to '86 would have been either light duty T5 or AX-5 (some even got the pukeout 5 speed in '86 and I hear rumours of basic models with an SR4!) The tcase is the same, but the front yoke is different (easy swap from the old one) A better deal would be to get a 2.8L (or similar) from an S10 that has EFI and put it in the XJ. Front axle is indeed the D30, but those CV joint axle shafts are weak. Rear most likely is D35 but some came with D44 (which the XJ and MJ guys are searching for to upgrade their rigs up to '91) I have an Eagle 998 trans core if you want to do a rebuild (torque converter kept engaging off idle so the valve body is likely clogged open) which is more fuel efficient that the 727, plus it's lockup. (1st and 2nd gear are lower than 727 for better takeoff power) Best part is that it is a direct swap for the AMC 727. From: Ray Subject: XJ tranny info I have an '84 Jeep Cherokee XJ with one of those crappy 2.8 liter carbureted V6 engines. I just crawled under it today and found out a few things. The front diff says 30-7AF in big letters and 380 in small letters under it. I'm assuming it's a Dana 30. It has CV joints at the wheels, and on the t-case end of the front drive shaft. The T-case says 229 AM. Yippee! It's an NP-229 -- same thing as in my '89 GW. Now I have a spare :-) The tranny has no data plate, so I don't know what it is. Since it bolts right up to an NP-229, I'm thinking about using it as a replacement for that inefficient TF 727 that seems to be going out on my GW. I don't know what kind of tranny it is, though. Let's see... The starter is on the driver's side. The coolant lines run up the driver's side. There is some kind of a bracket bolted to the passenger side using one of the bolts that attaches it to the engine. It has an aluminum case (with a piece broken out at the front so I can see the gear teeth on the flywheel. bummer.) The oil pan is kind of rectangular, but the corner at the rear on the passenger side is angled off. Any clues? Where would they put the data plate if such a thing exists, anyhow? Ray Drouillard ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #2415 **************************