From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Tue Apr 26 14:21:31 2005 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Tuesday, April 26 2005 Volume 01 : Number 2423 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: fsj: Re: FSJ tailgate Re: fsj: Nosie in Park fsj: Re: snow??? fsj: 77? Cherokee for sale fsj: Re: Re: this spring is kicking my backside... Re: fsj: Re: snow??? Re: fsj: Re: snow??? Re: fsj: Re: snow??? fsj: fsjs, fuel taxes and politics fsj: RE: fsjs, fuel taxes and politics Re: fsj: RE: fsjs, fuel taxes and politics FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 19:53:45 -0700 From: "Jim Blair" Subject: Re: fsj: Re: FSJ tailgate A: They could be special ordered from the dealer for delivery vans too. we did NOT get the CJ10s... airports and the military did, but you couldn't get them a dealer... sheesh... john ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 20:06:00 -0700 From: "Jim Blair" Subject: Re: fsj: Nosie in Park A: I'd check the bellhousing bolts and torque converter bolts are all tight. A dent in the trans dust cover can make noises as things flex. When in park there is no pressure being made by the front pump, so the check valve may be opening and closing and clicking. it only does it in park? the parking pawl/lock? Does the jeep roll if in park? does it go into reverse ok? any tranny slippage? in gear or even neutral it's ok? did you check the shifter linkage to see if it's rattling around or hitting something? john On Wed, 23 Mar 2005, Jay Olive wrote: > -->Hello everyone - been away from the list for or 5 years. Daughters > drove > -->the Jeep - now I'm back to fixing it up. > --> > -->Question - after it warms up I get a ratting noise - seems like it is > -->coming from the timing cover area. In neutral or in gear it goes away. > -->Almost sounds like a loose ball bearing. > --> > -->Any ideas? It's been that way for years but seems to be getting a > little > -->louder. > --> > -->Thanks! > -->Jay > -->89 GW > --> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://wagoneers.com ** ** http://freegift.net ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 23:09:46 EDT From: Brazzadog-at-aol.com Subject: fsj: Re: snow??? John, We don't always agree, but sometimes you have interesting and accurate ideas. Unfortunately you routinely alienate people before they get a chance to find out. Your credibilty would go up substantially if you could learn not to use sweeping and prejudiced statements like this. It is a distraction from a serious and sincere discussion of ideas and implies that you'd rather bait and antagonize than risk a real debate. Ben In a message dated 4/25/2005 7:53:40 PM Pacific Daylight Time, owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net writes: >The amazing arrogance and ignorance of the liberal mind... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 21:35:14 -0700 From: "Jim Blair" Subject: fsj: 77? Cherokee for sale mock_knight-at-hotmail.com is the owner. He's asking $1500 obo. It has a 401 with 2400 miles on it and the 4 bbl quit working right (big surprise!) His parents are ragging on him and telling him to get rid of it (I think he put -at-$3,000 into it) Email him direct for pics and more info. It's in Bellevue, WA (near Seattle. Actually, closer to Redmond and Bill Gates, but you know what I mean!) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 21:46:14 -0700 From: "Jim Blair" Subject: fsj: Re: Re: this spring is kicking my backside... A: John, If it's not done yet, I may be in your neck of the woods tomorrow (after visiting 2 Docs by 1PM, I'm going to pick up the TH400 and Tcase in Everett as well as a 727 Jeep core in Mukilteo for my son's buildup and hope to get a cheap compressor from Harbor Fright while I'm at it) I just posted the non-vacuum D30/D35 with 3.55 combo (from an '87 Comanche so the rear is different from XJ) for $100 if anyone's interested. Not sure if I'll be running the J4000 or the Comanche (both get about the same fuel economy on the highway and J4000 is already dirty and full of older gas, from the Bronco my son parted, that needs burning off before it gets much older) From: john Subject: Re: Re: this spring is kicking my backside... send the pictures... at this point any size will be appreciated. :) I've got a mechanic friend dropping by this afternoon that may fix mine for me. ;) john ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 01:19:30 -0400 (EDT) From: john Subject: Re: fsj: Re: snow??? On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 Brazzadog-at-aol.com wrote: >-->John, >-->We don't always agree, but sometimes you have interesting and accurate >-->ideas. Unfortunately you routinely alienate people before they get a chance to >-->find out. Your credibilty would go up substantially if you could learn not to >-->use sweeping and prejudiced statements like this. It is a distraction from a >-->serious and sincere discussion of ideas and implies that you'd rather bait >-->and antagonize than risk a real debate. >-->Ben >-->In a message dated 4/25/2005 7:53:40 PM Pacific Daylight Time, >-->owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net writes: >-->>The amazing arrogance and ignorance of the liberal mind... The liberal mind is generally condescening and patronizing as well, especially in areas where they use circular reasoning, and assumptions as facts. They claim assumptions and theories as facts and promote junk science based on flawed paradigms using fear, uncertainty and doubt. I really don't care about my credibility, it's already well established, even listed in whos who in science and engineering, as though that really means anything. But, I'm tired of what the left has done in our schools, academia and in the scientific community. It's flawed assumptions are based on a view that man is a virus on the earth, that we're less valued than bacteria. These views promote barbaric thoughts, ideas and concepts that result in extensive cruetly to man and a breakdown of civilized society. There is little chance of a serious debate on the issues when the political correctness crowd has gone so far as to outlaw challenging the theories of evolution within schools in California and Georgia. The liberal, left leaning mind is incapable of being objective, open minded or rational. I'm not going to apologize for stating that the majority of left wing liberals are not only arrogant but also ignorant and condescending toward those that don't hold their views. They are unable to win with logic so they resort to other means. They've steam rolled their way along creating excessive costs, restrictions and regulations that affect each and every one of us. It affects are ability to access beautiful areas of our country, it costs us more in every area of our lives, it has outlawed technology that is not been proven to be harmful, all based on the extremists use of FUD and the political process. A vocal minority that have hijacked the process. Remember that I have studied at a number of universities across this country and in Europe, and taught in many of them. I've engaged many scholars, scientists and educators over the years. I'm not making a wide sweeping generalization. I'm being quite specific. Quite frankly I'm tired. I'm tired of the nonsense. I really don't care if I ruffle a few feathers, maybe, just maybe someone on the left will think a bit and realize the line of unfounded, unsubstantiated nonsense that they've bought in to. There is a middle ground, a balance, but we're unable to reach that because the left has hijacked the process and excluded logic and replaced it with emotion. I see it every day... e.g. the car pool lane that isn't used, the half filled buses and the fact that the government of King County forces my employer to charge me for parking in order to force me into public transportation, yet there is no public transportation where I live. The excessive taxes we pay for misspent monies on social programs that don't work, and the waste of bureaucracy... Just remember how well R12 worked in our air conditioning units... remember that it's heavier than air... remember also that one volcanic eruption emits more chlorinated gasses than man has created since the beginning of the industrial revolution... I've yet to have one PhD physist explain to me how freon from a car or refrigerator could get into the stratosphere... I've heard some real doozies... but while NOT ONE LOGICAL FACT exists that supports the idea that R12 is damaging the ozone over Antartica, we've outlawed it... creating a lot of expense and hassles for each of us... And what's really sad is the substitute, while less effective, is also toxic to us! I've come to learn that the left is not interested in dialogue, discussion or any view but their own. When students get upset because you say that evolution is not a fact, but a theory (actually it's a model), and threaten to drop out of your science class, then you realize just how far we've slid down the slipperly slope... Objectivity doesn't matter any more. Truth is relative and non-absolute in our postmodern society. Current thought is flawed logically on so many levels... I could go on, but it's time for Red Green. ;) john ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 22:58:55 -0700 From: "Jim Blair" Subject: Re: fsj: Re: snow??? I have to add some bullet holes of my own here: Who said lead in fuel was bad? Do you think the brain damage it caused inner urban youths was a myth? R12 was banned largely in part due to the FACT that the patent had run out on it (by DuPont) and scientists (in DuPont's payroll) made the claims about health effects so that R134A (a newly developed DuPont product) was the savior of us all! R12 was also toxic, even in small quantities. Just ask the old Freon service guys that are still alive about that!(there is another R12 replacement that is all but unknown due to efforts to keep it under wraps because it costs less and is non-toxic, along with the non-toxic antifreeze substitute that is now available that withstands higher heat with non-pressurized systems) How about the states that are NOT allowing evolutionism to be taught at all? (like God wouldn't allow us to evolve at all?) As for the highways, if they made sensible changes to them, backups would become less and less. (see my post on how to fix the roads and you'll understand it's strictly political that it's not being addressed, even in blue counties) The polluted haze that hangs over many cities is NOT pseudo-science and it's effects are debilitating too! (I suffer near asthma-like attacks frequently here, but not in the outlying areas or closer to where I grew up. Seattle STINKS!) Doc said my frequent nose bleeds are likely due to breathing in so much crud in the air here all the time (we are close to a fuel delivery depot. In fact, I work less than 100 feet from it!) Can't tell me breathing that gunk all day is good for you? If it weren't for some "bleeding hearts" we'd all still be doing 80 hour work weeks for less than what we need to live on. Some people aren't just after the almighty buck, but the heads of the companies with the worst records seem to have something in common and it's not Liberalism! I agree on the rampant government, but it's not just 1 party. Have any REALLY cut the payrolls? Ever? One thing remains constant "Truth is in the eye of the beerholder" On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 Brazzadog-at-aol.com wrote: >-->John, >-->We don't always agree, but sometimes you have interesting and accurate >-->ideas. Unfortunately you routinely alienate people before they get a >chance to >-->find out. Your credibilty would go up substantially if you could learn >not to >-->use sweeping and prejudiced statements like this. It is a distraction >from a >-->serious and sincere discussion of ideas and implies that you'd rather >bait >-->and antagonize than risk a real debate. >-->Ben >-->In a message dated 4/25/2005 7:53:40 PM Pacific Daylight Time, >-->owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net writes: >-->>The amazing arrogance and ignorance of the liberal mind... The liberal mind is generally condescening and patronizing as well, especially in areas where they use circular reasoning, and assumptions as facts. They claim assumptions and theories as facts and promote junk science based on flawed paradigms using fear, uncertainty and doubt. I really don't care about my credibility, it's already well established, even listed in whos who in science and engineering, as though that really means anything. But, I'm tired of what the left has done in our schools, academia and in the scientific community. It's flawed assumptions are based on a view that man is a virus on the earth, that we're less valued than bacteria. These views promote barbaric thoughts, ideas and concepts that result in extensive cruetly to man and a breakdown of civilized society. There is little chance of a serious debate on the issues when the political correctness crowd has gone so far as to outlaw challenging the theories of evolution within schools in California and Georgia. The liberal, left leaning mind is incapable of being objective, open minded or rational. I'm not going to apologize for stating that the majority of left wing liberals are not only arrogant but also ignorant and condescending toward those that don't hold their views. They are unable to win with logic so they resort to other means. They've steam rolled their way along creating excessive costs, restrictions and regulations that affect each and every one of us. It affects are ability to access beautiful areas of our country, it costs us more in every area of our lives, it has outlawed technology that is not been proven to be harmful, all based on the extremists use of FUD and the political process. A vocal minority that have hijacked the process. (snip) I see it every day... e.g. the car pool lane that isn't used, the half filled buses and the fact that the government of King County forces my employer to charge me for parking in order to force me into public transportation, yet there is no public transportation where I live. The excessive taxes we pay for misspent monies on social programs that don't work, and the waste of bureaucracy... Just remember how well R12 worked in our air conditioning units... remember that it's heavier than air... remember also that one volcanic eruption emits more chlorinated gasses than man has created since the beginning of the industrial revolution... I've yet to have one PhD physist explain to me how freon from a car or refrigerator could get into the stratosphere... I've heard some real doozies... but while NOT ONE LOGICAL FACT exists that supports the idea that R12 is damaging the ozone over Antartica, we've outlawed it... creating a lot of expense and hassles for each of us... And what's really sad is the substitute, while less effective, is also toxic to us! I've come to learn that the left is not interested in dialogue, discussion or any view but their own. When students get upset because you say that evolution is not a fact, but a theory (actually it's a model), and threaten to drop out of your science class, then you realize just how far we've slid down the slipperly slope... Objectivity doesn't matter any more. Truth is relative and non-absolute in our postmodern society. Current thought is flawed logically on so many levels... I could go on, but it's time for Red Green. ;) john ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 04:07:11 -0400 (EDT) From: john Subject: Re: fsj: Re: snow??? On Mon, 25 Apr 2005, Jim Blair wrote: >-->I have to add some bullet holes of my own here: >-->One thing remains constant "Truth is in the eye of the beerholder" now that is funny... :) john ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 12:43:09 -0400 (EDT) From: john Subject: fsj: fsjs, fuel taxes and politics Just want to make a point that Ben and I are friends, the recent political rant was not aimed at him in any way. We are both facing higher fuel taxes in the state of Washington because of some ugly politics here... a governor that is not duly elected and ramming through all kinds of excessive liberal agenda items like stricter emissions, after we've already improved our air quality significantly enough to the point of not requiring winterized fuel, and excessive gas taxes to pay for mass transit systems that don't work and don't go near major centers of activity! For me to ride a bus it would take me an hour and a half to get to work... I'd have to drive 6 miles to a park and ride, then walk a mile to work... in the inevitable rain... and repeat the process to get home... versus driving 30 to 45 minutes and going from covered carport to parking garage... I drive a Diesel, getting 30mpg and will be driving on waste vegetable oil in my FSJ by this summer... ecologically sound, fiscally wise, yet I'm being penalized along with my friend in Eastern Washington who will be paying for roads and bridges he may never see, use or care about... It's not right. It's unfair. It's unethical. I'm sure he didn't want the sports stadiums either... nor did the majority of us, but are "elected" officials, mostly democrats, voted it in anyway, despite referendums to the contrary... So from my knothole on the "green" side of the mountains I see liberal democrats as the main problem in this state, and in our counrty as a whole... When the head of organizations like the Sierra Club promote the idea of removing the Hoover Dam, you know that their thinking is different than the vast majority of us. the fool has said in his heart there is no God... they are corrupt and have committed abominable injustice... john ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 10:39:03 -0700 From: Tesar Landon-r16884 Subject: fsj: RE: fsjs, fuel taxes and politics Please offer a solution. I hear very little complaining that corporate tax rates are too low. What would the federal budget look like if it was balanced? I doubt there'd be funding for highway infrastructure, support for mass transit, socialized healthcare, and homeland security (include the war) at our current tax rates. If mass transit worked, would the gas taxes be justified to initiate it? Here in Austin, the imposed solution is tolls on some existing roads and all new roads to pay for the new roads (and line developers pockets as less expensive land becomes accessible) Manifest Destiny is alive and well. A new regional taxing authority (not state, county, federal, or city, and primarily conservative) was set up to manage the distribution. Representatives are not directly aligned to the authority, so it is in a sense taxation without representation. (...lessee, Republican = representative gov't...hmm...never mind) So I favor the gas tax and a balanced federal budget, and a master plan for growth/mass transit/highways. I got a letter from our governor saying gas taxes weren't a feasible 'vehicle' for funding, as cars are so efficient now, and, application of gas taxes is done at a state level, so I'm at a loss for this kind of logic. If it was said, old roads are paid for, new roads are not, tolls directly pay for the roads...maybe I could at least pay attention. If toll roads were a public, grass roots driven decision and accepted strategy, that is one thing, but the public isn't screaming for this stuff, complaining yes, screaming with wallets? No. Are people in/around Seattle screaming for mass transit? Doesn't sound like it. I heard a monorail line was passed a few years ago, but the project was much smaller than proposed. Two cases of government not by the people. Vote them out. - - Landon - -----Original Message----- From: owner-fsj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-fsj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of john Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 11:43 AM To: full size jeep list Subject: fsj: fsjs, fuel taxes and politics Just want to make a point that Ben and I are friends, the recent political rant was not aimed at him in any way. We are both facing higher fuel taxes in the state of Washington because of some ugly politics here... a governor that is not duly elected and ramming through all kinds of excessive liberal agenda items like stricter emissions, after we've already improved our air quality significantly enough to the point of not requiring winterized fuel, and excessive gas taxes to pay for mass transit systems that don't work and don't go near major centers of activity! For me to ride a bus it would take me an hour and a half to get to work... I'd have to drive 6 miles to a park and ride, then walk a mile to work... in the inevitable rain... and repeat the process to get home... versus driving 30 to 45 minutes and going from covered carport to parking garage... I drive a Diesel, getting 30mpg and will be driving on waste vegetable oil in my FSJ by this summer... ecologically sound, fiscally wise, yet I'm being penalized along with my friend in Eastern Washington who will be paying for roads and bridges he may never see, use or care about... It's not right. It's unfair. It's unethical. I'm sure he didn't want the sports stadiums either... nor did the majority of us, but are "elected" officials, mostly democrats, voted it in anyway, despite referendums to the contrary... So from my knothole on the "green" side of the mountains I see liberal democrats as the main problem in this state, and in our counrty as a whole... When the head of organizations like the Sierra Club promote the idea of removing the Hoover Dam, you know that their thinking is different than the vast majority of us. the fool has said in his heart there is no God... they are corrupt and have committed abominable injustice... john ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 14:17:07 -0400 (EDT) From: john Subject: Re: fsj: RE: fsjs, fuel taxes and politics On Tue, 26 Apr 2005, Tesar Landon-r16884 wrote: >-->Please offer a solution. I hear very little complaining that corporate tax rates are too low. What would the federal budget look like if it was balanced? I doubt there'd be funding for highway infrastructure, support for mass transit, socialized healthcare, and homeland security (include the war) at our current tax rates. >-->If mass transit worked, would the gas taxes be justified to initiate it? the solution MAY be as simple as not spending unnecessarily, taxing the services that cost money and make sure that those taxes are routed to those services and not the general fund. If we only spend money coming in for a particular service on that service then we can budget things. What happens is the money comes in and gets routed to the general fund where it becomes funny money. About 20 years ago here they promoted the lottery to fund schools... the money goes almost exclusively into the general fund and our schools are forced to have levies... john ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #2423 **************************