From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Sun May 8 19:04:09 2005 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Sunday, May 8 2005 Volume 01 : Number 2432 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: fsj: Re: [db] wagoneers.com / JohnMeister.com fsj: Re: [db] wagoneers.com / JohnMeister.com Re: fsj: I love being a packrat... fsj: jeep jeep and a benz Re: fsj: I love being a packrat... Re: fsj: I love being a packrat... fsj: 4.0L symptom fsj: Re: 4.0L symptom fsj: Re: xj: Re: 4.0L symptom FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 07 May 2005 12:39:43 -0700 From: john meister Subject: fsj: Re: [db] wagoneers.com / JohnMeister.com not working here... you must be running on cache... can't even get to the server via ip address. john Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: > looks like its working fine to me > > john meister wrote: > >> looks like my server is taking the weekend off... >> guess you get what you pay for. ;) >> >> If you need to email me you can reach me at dieseljohn-at-comcast.net >> >> john ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 18:28:10 -0400 (EDT) From: john Subject: fsj: Re: [db] wagoneers.com / JohnMeister.com it's back now... took a lunch break I guess.... out working on vehicles... found out what was wrong with the '92 4.0L XJ... the oil filter had collapsed... it was a warner. I swapped on a cheap one and added a quart of oil, will test it to make sure it's ok, then give it the full meal amsoil deal. daugther will be home within two months! putting the '86 xj back together now... have the electrical problems fixed... getting ready to clear the clogged converter and tune it up. couldn't figure out why the rear speakers wouldn't work... :) there weren't any. rofl... :) the trunk latch on the '79 300SD broke off in my hand, guess getting those replacement parts was a good plan... ...kind of like that rack kit for the '86 xj. turns out my other friend had stopped by to help, he had the same problem I did. :) kind of funny... of course curtis comes over, puts the new parts on and it goes like clockwork... :) guess curtis chased murphy off... :) john On Sat, 7 May 2005, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: > -->Oh heck, I dont know, just know I got your message. You still running your > -->stuff on Richard's servers? If so, mbz.org is up so dont know what the deal > -->is. > --> > -->john meister wrote: > --> > -->> not working here... you must be running on cache... can't > -->> even get to the server via ip address. > -->> > -->> john > -->> > -->> Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: > -->> > -->> > looks like its working fine to me > -->> > > -->> > john meister wrote: > -->> > > -->> > > looks like my server is taking the weekend off... > -->> > > guess you get what you pay for. ;) > -->> > > > -->> > > If you need to email me you can reach me at dieseljohn-at-comcast.net > -->> > > > -->> > > john > -->> > -->> > -->> > --> > -->-- > -->Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK > --> 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300D, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 83 300SD, > --> 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, > -->Okie Benz Auto parts-email for used parts > --> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 20:43:53 -0400 (EDT) From: john Subject: Re: fsj: I love being a packrat... what is it, two days to tucson from your location? john On Thu, 5 May 2005, JeepNut wrote: > -->Too bad it's so far to Tucson, I've got like three 360's sitting around > -->here, 1 still assembled was running when pulled... the others in pieces. > -->And I really need to get rid of 2 of them. (along with lots of other > -->stuff...) > --> > -->john wrote: > --> > -->> wow... and what's amazing also is that Landon's > -->> '89 is resting in pieces in Tucson right now... a few > -->> weeks ago the engine melted down for Christian, my > -->> son's friend. And, a guy on the XJ list was selling > -->> a cheap XJ and he bought it. :) > -->> small world this internet. :) > -->> > -->> john > -->> > -->> > -->> On Thu, 5 May 2005, JeepNut wrote: > -->> > -->> > -->> > -->heh, heh, heh,... look at what I found in my files > -->> > -->while doing some research for upcoming work.... > -->> > --> > -->> > -->In a post from Nov2001 ... > -->> > -->Landon Tesar was doing some front axle work. > -->> > -->At the end of his post Landon says... > -->> > --> > -->> > -->- - Landon > -->> > -->'89 GW > -->> > -->Austin > -->> > -->P.S. filled up for $1.02/gal yesterday. Thought > -->> > -->I got a deal, until I saw $1.00/gal at the Exxon. > -->> > --> > -->> > --> > -->> > -->Ahh.... the good old days... > -->> > --> JeepNut > -->> > --> > -->> > -->-- -->This mail subject to change without notice. > -->> > -->Text is slightly enlarged to show detail. > -->> > -->No substitutions allowed. > -->> > -->---------------------------------------------------------- > -->> > -->'87 Street Comanche #24/100 > -->> > -->'88 Grand Wagoneer > -->> > -->'92 Cherokee Laredo > -->> > -->'87 Grand Wagoneer (parts) > -->> > -->'81 Wagoneer (parts) > -->> > -->...and they say there's only one... > -->> > -->---------------------------------------------------------- > -->> > -->Registered Linux user #287453 > -->> > --> > -->> > > -->> > -->> ---- > -->> > -->> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -->> ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** > -->> Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > -->> ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** > -->> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -->> > -->> > -->> > --> > --> > -->-- > -->This mail subject to change without notice. > -->Text is slightly enlarged to show detail. > -->No substitutions allowed. > -->---------------------------------------------------------- > -->'87 Street Comanche #24/100 > -->'88 Grand Wagoneer > -->'92 Cherokee Laredo > -->'87 Grand Wagoneer (parts) > -->'81 Wagoneer (parts) > -->...and they say there's only one... > -->---------------------------------------------------------- > -->Registered Linux user #287453 > --> > --> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 20:43:12 -0400 (EDT) From: john Subject: fsj: jeep jeep and a benz the little blue cherokee chief is running well... got the wiring issues done, stereo installed... need dome lights, a wiper blade and an air filter... was about 2 qts low in tranny fluid... turns out it has an NP228 xfr case and 4.10 gears! tuned it, but it still needs an oil change. The cat wasn't clogged, so I'm guessing the overheating at speed is the radiator, because it is clogged. :) the little white cherokee is doing much better after a tune and new vacuum lines... it's still got a little roughness to it... heading out to attempt another italian tuneup with a fresh oil filter... the warner oil filter collapsed internally! If this one holds up it'll get switched to amsoil... if it fails I may have to check the oil pump/check valve... oil pressure seems a little high to me. heading into town for some parts, when I get back I'll work on the '79 300SD. :) If murphy stays away I may have the trunk opening and closing as designed... ;) Need to get some hornet spray. :) later, john ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 May 2005 23:13:01 -0500 From: JeepNut Subject: Re: fsj: I love being a packrat... heh, heh, heh, depends on whose drivin' what. 12-1300 miles or so... 10 east to Texas, 20 up to DFW, 30 up to Little Rock, and 40 over to Memphis. I've got a 2 SJ's worth of loose parts if they've got the time... not that there is anything especially pristine here, but "one mans junk..." john wrote: >what is it, two days to tucson from your location? > >john > >On Thu, 5 May 2005, JeepNut wrote: > > > >>-->Too bad it's so far to Tucson, I've got like three 360's sitting around >>-->here, 1 still assembled was running when pulled... the others in pieces. >>-->And I really need to get rid of 2 of them. (along with lots of other >>-->stuff...) >>--> >>-->john wrote: >>--> >>-->> wow... and what's amazing also is that Landon's >>-->> '89 is resting in pieces in Tucson right now... a few >>-->> weeks ago the engine melted down for Christian, my >>-->> son's friend. And, a guy on the XJ list was selling >>-->> a cheap XJ and he bought it. :) >>-->> small world this internet> -->> >>-->> john >>-->> >>-->> >>-->> On Thu, 5 May 2005, JeepNut wrote: >>-->> >>-->> >>-->> > -->heh, heh, heh,... look at what I found in my files >>-->> > -->while doing some research for upcoming work.... >>-->> > --> >>-->> > -->In a post from Nov2001 ... >>-->> > -->Landon Tesar was doing some front axle work. >>-->> > -->At the end of his post Landon says... >>-->> > --> >>-->> > -->- - Landon >>-->> > -->'89 GW >>-->> > -->Austin >>-->> > -->P.S. filled up for $1.02/gal yesterday. Thought >>-->> > -->I got a deal, until I saw $1.00/gal at the Exxon. >>-->> > --> >>-->> > --> >>-->> > -->Ahh.... the good old days... >>-->> > --> JeepNut >>-->> > --> >>-->> > -->-- -->This mail subject to change without notice. >>-->> > -->Text is slightly enlarged to show detail. >>-->> > -->No substitutions allowed. >>-->> > -->---------------------------------------------------------- >>-->> > -->'87 Street Comanche #24/100 >>-->> > -->'88 Grand Wagoneer >>-->> > -->'92 Cherokee Laredo >>-->> > -->'87 Grand Wagoneer (parts) >>-->> > -->'81 Wagoneer (parts) >>-->> > -->...and they say there's only one... >>-->> > -->---------------------------------------------------------- >>-->> > -->Registered Linux user #287453 >>-->> > --> >>-->> > >>-->> >>-->> ---- >>-->> >>-->> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>-->> ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** >>-->> Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold >>-->> ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** >>-->> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>-->> >>-->> >>-->> >>--> >>--> >>-->-- >>-->This mail subject to change without notice. >>-->Text is slightly enlarged to show detail. >>-->No substitutions allowed. >>-->---------------------------------------------------------- >>-->'87 Street Comanche #24/100 >>-->'88 Grand Wagoneer >>-->'92 Cherokee Laredo >>-->'87 Grand Wagoneer (parts) >>-->'81 Wagoneer (parts) >>-->...and they say there's only one... >>-->---------------------------------------------------------- >>-->Registered Linux user #287453 >>--> >>--> >> >> > > ---- > >------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** > Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** >------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > - -- This mail subject to change without notice. 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No substitutions allowed. - ---------------------------------------------------------- '87 Street Comanche #24/100 '88 Grand Wagoneer '92 Cherokee Laredo '87 Grand Wagoneer (parts) '81 Wagoneer (parts) ...and they say there's only one... - ---------------------------------------------------------- Registered Linux user #287453 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 00:43:07 -0400 (EDT) From: john Subject: Re: fsj: I love being a packrat... don't think he'll have time, I put out bait for him to come home and he took it. ;) he's coming home to get this '79 300SD. ;) john On Sat, 7 May 2005, JeepNut wrote: > -->heh, heh, heh, depends on whose drivin' what. > -->12-1300 miles or so... 10 east to Texas, 20 up to DFW, 30 up to Little Rock, > -->and 40 over to Memphis. > -->I've got a 2 SJ's worth of loose parts if they've got the time... not that > -->there is anything especially pristine here, but "one mans junk..." > --> > --> > -->john wrote: > --> > -->> what is it, two days to tucson from your location? > -->> john > -->> > -->> On Thu, 5 May 2005, JeepNut wrote: > -->> > -->> > -->> > -->Too bad it's so far to Tucson, I've got like three 360's sitting > -->> > around > -->> > -->here, 1 still assembled was running when pulled... the others in > -->> > pieces. > -->> > -->And I really need to get rid of 2 of them. (along with lots of other > -->> > -->stuff...) > -->> > --> > -->> > -->john wrote: > -->> > --> > -->> > -->> wow... and what's amazing also is that Landon's > -->> > -->> '89 is resting in pieces in Tucson right now... a few > -->> > -->> weeks ago the engine melted down for Christian, my > -->> > -->> son's friend. And, a guy on the XJ list was selling > -->> > -->> a cheap XJ and he bought it. :) -->> small world this internet> > -->> > -->> -->> john > -->> > -->> -->> -->> On Thu, 5 May 2005, JeepNut wrote: > -->> > -->> -->> -->> > -->heh, heh, heh,... look at what I found in my files > -->> > -->> > -->while doing some research for upcoming work.... > -->> > -->> > --> > -->> > -->> > -->In a post from Nov2001 ... > -->> > -->> > -->Landon Tesar was doing some front axle work. > -->> > -->> > -->At the end of his post Landon says... > -->> > -->> > --> > -->> > -->> > -->- - Landon > -->> > -->> > -->'89 GW > -->> > -->> > -->Austin > -->> > -->> > -->P.S. filled up for $1.02/gal yesterday. Thought > -->> > -->> > -->I got a deal, until I saw $1.00/gal at the Exxon. > -->> > -->> > --> > -->> > -->> > --> > -->> > -->> > -->Ahh.... the good old days... > -->> > -->> > --> JeepNut > -->> > -->> > --> > -->> > -->> > -->-- -->This mail subject to change without notice. > -->> > -->> > -->Text is slightly enlarged to show detail. > -->> > -->> > -->No substitutions allowed. > -->> > -->> > -->---------------------------------------------------------- > -->> > -->> > -->'87 Street Comanche #24/100 > -->> > -->> > -->'88 Grand Wagoneer > -->> > -->> > -->'92 Cherokee Laredo > -->> > -->> > -->'87 Grand Wagoneer (parts) > -->> > -->> > -->'81 Wagoneer (parts) > -->> > -->> > -->...and they say there's only one... > -->> > -->> > -->---------------------------------------------------------- > -->> > -->> > -->Registered Linux user #287453 > -->> > -->> > --> > -->> > -->> > -->> -->> ---- > -->> > -->> -->> > -->> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -->> > -->> ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** > -->> > -->> Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > -->> > -->> ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html > -->> > ** > -->> > -->> > -->> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -->> > -->> -->> -->> --> > -->> > --> > -->> > -->-- -->This mail subject to change without notice. > -->> > -->Text is slightly enlarged to show detail. > -->> > -->No substitutions allowed. > -->> > -->---------------------------------------------------------- > -->> > -->'87 Street Comanche #24/100 > -->> > -->'88 Grand Wagoneer > -->> > -->'92 Cherokee Laredo > -->> > -->'87 Grand Wagoneer (parts) > -->> > -->'81 Wagoneer (parts) > -->> > -->...and they say there's only one... > -->> > -->---------------------------------------------------------- > -->> > -->Registered Linux user #287453 > -->> > --> > -->> > --> > -->> > > -->> > -->> ---- > -->> > -->> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -->> ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** > -->> Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > -->> ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** > -->> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -->> > -->> > -->> > --> > --> > -->-- > -->This mail subject to change without notice. > -->Text is slightly enlarged to show detail. > -->No substitutions allowed. > -->---------------------------------------------------------- > -->'87 Street Comanche #24/100 > -->'88 Grand Wagoneer > -->'92 Cherokee Laredo > -->'87 Grand Wagoneer (parts) > -->'81 Wagoneer (parts) > -->...and they say there's only one... > -->---------------------------------------------------------- > -->Registered Linux user #287453 > --> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 00:54:27 -0400 (EDT) From: john Subject: fsj: 4.0L symptom the '92 sport is doing much, much better... drove up to get an ice cream cone... temperature was stable, oil pressure stable.... would easily accelerate to the limit and then some... but when it's not under full throttle or heavy load it has a shudder or roughness... it's there from idle all the way up, except under full throttle... then it winds up like a hoover vacuum cleaner. When I got it couldn't do over 40mph without loosening fillings... now it'll wind up just fine... I've replaced all the vacuum lines, cleaned all the fittings and throttle body, it was gross, new NGK plugs, cap and rotor. Starts right up... revs up sweetly... The PO had a new cat installed, it has a good air cleaner and decent oil... replaced the damaged filter with a temporary fram and topped it off with some synthetic. At this point it's a toss up between just doing a shotgun approach and replacing any sensors that could do this, or take it to a shop with a computer and figure it out. BTW, the check engine light it not on any more, but the "Needs Maintenance" light is... where's that goofy timer thing on the '92? :) My close up vision in low light ain't very good. When I wore bifocals I could still see up close without glasses, blind from 5 feet out... now I can see 20/15 but up close is a bit of a challenge... a worthwile trade off for sure... look ma, no glasses!!! :) rain doesn't bother me any more... but I digress... There's not that many sensors on this '92... anyone have any suggestions, ideas? thanx, john ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 08:42:55 -0700 From: "Jim Blair" Subject: fsj: Re: 4.0L symptom A: Your converter may be prematurely locking up. The maintenance light only goes off with a OBD machine with code erasing capabilities. I'd give it a compression test, then do a injector drop test to see if one isn't working. the '92 sport is doing much, much better... drove up to get an ice cream cone... temperature was stable, oil pressure stable.... would easily accelerate to the limit and then some... but when it's not under full throttle or heavy load it has a shudder or roughness... it's there from idle all the way up, except under full throttle... then it winds up like a hoover vacuum cleaner. When I got it couldn't do over 40mph without loosening fillings... now it'll wind up just fine... I've replaced all the vacuum lines, cleaned all the fittings and throttle body, it was gross, new NGK plugs, cap and rotor. Starts right up... revs up sweetly... The PO had a new cat installed, it has a good air cleaner and decent oil... replaced the damaged filter with a temporary fram and topped it off with some synthetic. At this point it's a toss up between just doing a shotgun approach and replacing any sensors that could do this, or take it to a shop with a computer and figure it out. BTW, the check engine light it not on any more, but the "Needs Maintenance" light is... where's that goofy timer thing on the '92? :) My close up vision in low light ain't very good. When I wore bifocals I could still see up close without glasses, blind from 5 feet out... now I can see 20/15 but up close is a bit of a challenge... a worthwile trade off for sure... look ma, no glasses!!! :) rain doesn't bother me any more... but I digress... There's not that many sensors on this '92... anyone have any suggestions, ideas? thanx, john ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 18:58:59 -0400 (EDT) From: john Subject: fsj: Re: xj: Re: 4.0L symptom On Sun, 8 May 2005, Jim Blair wrote: >-->A: Your converter may be prematurely locking up. The maintenance light only >-->goes off with a OBD machine with code erasing capabilities. I'd give it a >-->compression test, then do a injector drop test to see if one isn't working. hey, there's a thought... it could indeed be an injector! Diesels have these same symptoms... didn't even think about that... :) good call jim. john >--> >--> >--> >--> the '92 sport is doing much, much better... drove >-->up to get an ice cream cone... temperature was stable, >-->oil pressure stable.... would easily accelerate to >-->the limit and then some... >--> >-->but when it's not under full throttle or heavy load >-->it has a shudder or roughness... it's there from >-->idle all the way up, except under full throttle... >-->then it winds up like a hoover vacuum cleaner. >--> >-->When I got it couldn't do over 40mph without loosening >-->fillings... now it'll wind up just fine... >--> >-->I've replaced all the vacuum lines, cleaned all >-->the fittings and throttle body, it was gross, new >-->NGK plugs, cap and rotor. Starts right up... revs >-->up sweetly... >--> >-->The PO had a new cat installed, it has a good air cleaner >-->and decent oil... replaced the damaged filter with >-->a temporary fram and topped it off with some synthetic. >--> >-->At this point it's a toss up between just doing a >-->shotgun approach and replacing any sensors that could >-->do this, or take it to a shop with a computer and figure >-->it out. >--> >-->BTW, the check engine light it not on any more, >-->but the "Needs Maintenance" light is... where's that goofy >-->timer thing on the '92? :) >--> >-->My close up vision in low light ain't very good. >-->When I wore bifocals I could still see up close >-->without glasses, blind from 5 feet out... >-->now I can see 20/15 but up close is a bit of a >-->challenge... a worthwile trade off for sure... look >-->ma, no glasses!!! :) rain doesn't bother me any more... >-->but I digress... >--> >-->There's not that many sensors on this '92... anyone >-->have any suggestions, ideas? >--> >-->thanx, >-->john >--> >--> ---- >--> >-->------------------------------------------------------------------------- >--> ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** >--> Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold >--> ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** >-->------------------------------------------------------------------------- >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #2432 **************************