From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Wed Jun 1 02:19:33 2005 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Wednesday, June 1 2005 Volume 01 : Number 2449 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: fsj: ATF in a Diesel? On the clear water pump... Re: fsj: ATF in a Diesel? On the clear water pump... Re: fsj: ATF in a Diesel? On the clear water pump... fsj: Jeep M677 Crew Cab? Re: fsj: Jeep M677 Crew Cab? Re: fsj: Jeep M677 Crew Cab? (more info) Re: fsj: Jeep M677 Crew Cab? Re: fsj: Jeep M677 Crew Cab? (History/tech) fsj: Jeep M677 Crew Cab Restoration Pics fsj: Re: Re: [db] don't look if you are a bit squeamish ;-) fsj: dang hard to find parts! fsj: administrivia: notes on using this list FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 15:53:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Karl Streich Subject: Re: fsj: ATF in a Diesel? On the clear water pump... http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=1479 This one I presume? Yay, it is a dollar off :D I have seen that one listed in veggie how to's as the "price is right" pump to use for biodiesel processing, so at the right temp it should pump fine ;) Karl john wrote:ok, I know we've talked about this on the diesel benz list before... but I did a little searching today and found some free ATF! Unused, still in the containers... Type F, Dextron II mostly, very little III because they're using that... QUESTION IS THIS: ...does it matter what type of ATF I run through my Diesel(s)? I know someone on the list has been burning it without problems, so I may even try it in my '91 300D... or use it in the 6.2L Diesel. This source isn't going to be enough to fuel my fleet for long, but it's a start. :) No one answered my other QUESTION about whether the clear water pump at harbor freight would pump veggie oil either... :) whazza matter with you people? :) Don't you understand Bohemian engineering? That pump is on sale! BTW, I fixed the injector line on shadowfax... found out that the line retaining clip had disappeared, that is about the longest line too. Now my 2.5L TD is a 5 cylinder again, and it wasn't the veggie oil. :) I found a used transmission for my GMC Jimmy... (thanx jim b.) It looks like I'm going to have the Jimmy working properly and setup for dual fuel. It'll be a test bed for SuperDawg's fuel setup. Once SuperDawg is done I'll probably pull the driveline out of the Jimmy and make a 6.2L Grand Wagoneer... if I can figure out how to get away from the tailgate setup, and provide of course that SuperDawg works with the 6.2L setup. Of course with the lack of time I seem to have, I may just use the Jimmy as a people mover and the J10 as my primary mobile. Of course there is always the dream of a Mercedes Diesel powered XJ... but after seeing Steve's complex steering setup in his MJ I'm not sure I'm up to that kind of fun. :( Although he is working on a redesigned oil pan so the sump is in the back... Been doing a little reading on the veggie oil, it's a little hard on the rotary vane type pumps, like what's in the 6.2L Diesel. Guess I should keep my eyes out for spare pumps and injectors for the 6.2L. I also found out that a 6.5L TD can use the 6.2L pumps! The 6.5L had issues with the electronic injection pump. hope y'all have a nice long weekend... and hope that someone will answer my questions on the ATF and that clear water pump. ;) john - ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new Resources site! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 19:23:30 -0400 (EDT) From: john Subject: Re: fsj: ATF in a Diesel? On the clear water pump... someone I trust said that the clear water pump would be toast pumping veggie oil... do you have the link where they say it's right? It's on sale at the store and cheap enough to give it a whirl if someone else has gone there before. :) john On Mon, 30 May 2005, Karl Streich wrote: >-->http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=1479 >--> >-->This one I presume? Yay, it is a dollar off :D I have seen that one listed in veggie how to's as the "price is right" pump to use for biodiesel processing, so at the right temp it should pump fine ;) >--> >-->Karl >--> >--> >--> >--> >-->john wrote:ok, I know we've talked about this on the diesel benz list before... but I >-->did a little searching today and found some free ATF! Unused, still >-->in the containers... Type F, Dextron II mostly, very little III because >-->they're using that... >--> >-->QUESTION IS THIS: ...does it matter what type of ATF I run through my Diesel(s)? >-->I know someone on the list has been burning it without problems, so I may even >-->try it in my '91 300D... or use it in the 6.2L Diesel. >--> >-->This source isn't going to be enough to fuel my fleet for long, but it's a start. :) >--> >-->No one answered my other QUESTION about whether the clear water pump at harbor >-->freight would pump veggie oil either... :) whazza matter with you people? :) >-->Don't you understand Bohemian engineering? That pump is on sale! >--> >-->BTW, I fixed the injector line on shadowfax... found out that the line retaining >-->clip had disappeared, that is about the longest line too. Now my 2.5L TD is >-->a 5 cylinder again, and it wasn't the veggie oil. :) >--> >-->I found a used transmission for my GMC Jimmy... (thanx jim b.) It looks like I'm going >-->to have the Jimmy working properly and setup for dual fuel. It'll be a test bed for >-->SuperDawg's fuel setup. Once SuperDawg is done I'll probably pull the driveline >-->out of the Jimmy and make a 6.2L Grand Wagoneer... if I can figure out how >-->to get away from the tailgate setup, and provide of course that SuperDawg works >-->with the 6.2L setup. Of course with the lack of time I seem to have, I may just >-->use the Jimmy as a people mover and the J10 as my primary mobile. Of course >-->there is always the dream of a Mercedes Diesel powered XJ... but after seeing >-->Steve's complex steering setup in his MJ I'm not sure I'm up to that kind of fun. :( >-->Although he is working on a redesigned oil pan so the sump is in the back... >--> >-->Been doing a little reading on the veggie oil, it's a little hard on the rotary >-->vane type pumps, like what's in the 6.2L Diesel. Guess I should keep my eyes >-->out for spare pumps and injectors for the 6.2L. I also found out that a 6.5L >-->TD can use the 6.2L pumps! The 6.5L had issues with the electronic injection pump. >--> >-->hope y'all have a nice long weekend... and hope that someone will answer my >-->questions on the ATF and that clear water pump. ;) >--> >-->john >--> >--> >-->---- >--> >-->------------------------------------------------------------------------- >-->** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** >-->Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold >-->** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** >-->Do You Yahoo!? >--> Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new Resources site! >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 17:20:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Karl Streich Subject: Re: fsj: ATF in a Diesel? On the clear water pump... It was in a booklet that I got on making biodiesel, of course even if it does go bad I'm sure you'll get your $24 out of it :D Of course that would be heated and less viscous than cold SVO... I got the booklet from here for $15 http://www.localb100.com/ On another note- do you know of a site with specs on the MBZ diesels? I'm looking for automatic and standard gear ratios as well as final drive in the different models thanks- Karl john wrote: someone I trust said that the clear water pump would be toast pumping veggie oil... do you have the link where they say it's right? It's on sale at the store and cheap enough to give it a whirl if someone else has gone there before. :) john On Mon, 30 May 2005, Karl Streich wrote: >-->http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=1479 >--> >-->This one I presume? Yay, it is a dollar off :D I have seen that one listed in veggie how to's as the "price is right" pump to use for biodiesel processing, so at the right temp it should pump fine ;) >--> >-->Karl >--> >--> >--> >--> >-->john wrote:ok, I know we've talked about this on the diesel benz list before... but I >-->did a little searching today and found some free ATF! Unused, still >-->in the containers... Type F, Dextron II mostly, very little III because >-->they're using that... >--> >-->QUESTION IS THIS: ...does it matter what type of ATF I run through my Diesel(s)? >-->I know someone on the list has been burning it without problems, so I may even >-->try it in my '91 300D... or use it in the 6.2L Diesel. >--> >-->This source isn't going to be enough to fuel my fleet for long, but it's a start. :) >--> >-->No one answered my other QUESTION about whether the clear water pump at harbor >-->freight would pump veggie oil either... :) whazza matter with you people? :) >-->Don't you understand Bohemian engineering? That pump is on sale! >--> >-->BTW, I fixed the injector line on shadowfax... found out that the line retaining >-->clip had disappeared, that is about the longest line too. Now my 2.5L TD is >-->a 5 cylinder again, and it wasn't the veggie oil. :) >--> >-->I found a used transmission for my GMC Jimmy... (thanx jim b.) It looks like I'm going >-->to have the Jimmy working properly and setup for dual fuel. It'll be a test bed for >-->SuperDawg's fuel setup. Once SuperDawg is done I'll probably pull the driveline >-->out of the Jimmy and make a 6.2L Grand Wagoneer... if I can figure out how >-->to get away from the tailgate setup, and provide of course that SuperDawg works >-->with the 6.2L setup. Of course with the lack of time I seem to have, I may just >-->use the Jimmy as a people mover and the J10 as my primary mobile. Of course >-->there is always the dream of a Mercedes Diesel powered XJ... but after seeing >-->Steve's complex steering setup in his MJ I'm not sure I'm up to that kind of fun. :( >-->Although he is working on a redesigned oil pan so the sump is in the back... >--> >-->Been doing a little reading on the veggie oil, it's a little hard on the rotary >-->vane type pumps, like what's in the 6.2L Diesel. Guess I should keep my eyes >-->out for spare pumps and injectors for the 6.2L. I also found out that a 6.5L >-->TD can use the 6.2L pumps! The 6.5L had issues with the electronic injection pump. >--> >-->hope y'all have a nice long weekend... and hope that someone will answer my >-->questions on the ATF and that clear water pump. ;) >--> >-->john >--> >--> >-->---- >--> >-->------------------------------------------------------------------------- >-->** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** >-->Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold >-->** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** >-->Do You Yahoo!? >--> Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new Resources site! >--> - ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 18:56:24 -0700 (PDT) From: elliott sydnam Subject: fsj: Jeep M677 Crew Cab? Does anyone know where to find one of these four door rigs (for sale)? http://thefcconnection.com/Jesse%20Ybarra%20M-677.jpg Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 22:08:12 -0400 (EDT) From: john Subject: Re: fsj: Jeep M677 Crew Cab? On Mon, 30 May 2005, elliott sydnam wrote: >-->Does anyone know where to find one of these four door >-->rigs (for sale)? >-->http://thefcconnection.com/Jesse%20Ybarra%20M-677.jpg that is NOT a factory setup. notice the middle window... that and I looked up the FC info, no listing of a 4dr whatsoever. :) so, the only one, possibly, in existence, is that one. john ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 19:16:55 -0700 (PDT) From: elliott sydnam Subject: Re: fsj: Jeep M677 Crew Cab? (more info) - --- elliott sydnam wrote: > Does anyone know where to find one of these four > door > rigs (for sale)? > http://thefcconnection.com/Jesse%20Ybarra%20M-677.jpg > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > There were several hundred made for the military in different configurations. The M677 had a 3cyl diesel in it also. Here is more info on the military versions: Crew cab restoration: http://www.newcotech.com/fcjeep/rou...a_m677_gray.htm http://www.film.queensu.ca/CJ3B/Siblings/FC.html Bunch of diesel tech: http://m-678.com/index.htm And then a gallery over here: www.thefcconnection.com Elliott ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 22:28:33 -0400 (EDT) From: john Subject: Re: fsj: Jeep M677 Crew Cab? ok, but they weren't factory stock... no surprise that custom ones were built... ;) would like to see one... perhaps even own one since it's a DIESEL!!! :) although 3 cylinders wouldn't exactly be an autobahn cruiser... john On Mon, 30 May 2005, elliott sydnam wrote: >--> >-->--- john wrote: >-->> On Mon, 30 May 2005, elliott sydnam wrote: >-->> >-->> >-->Does anyone know where to find one of these four >-->> door >-->> >-->rigs (for sale)? >-->> >-->>-->http://thefcconnection.com/Jesse%20Ybarra%20M-677.jpg >-->> >-->> that is NOT a factory setup. notice the middle >-->> window... >-->> that and I looked up the FC info, no listing of a >-->> 4dr whatsoever. :) >-->> >-->> so, the only one, possibly, in existence, is that >-->> one. >-->> >-->> john >--> >--> >-->John, >-->There were several hundred made for the military in >-->different configurations. The M677 had a 3cyl diesel >-->in it also. Here is more info on the military >-->versions: >-->Crew cab restoration: >-->http://www.newcotech.com/fcjeep/rou...a_m677_gray.htm >-->http://www.film.queensu.ca/CJ3B/Siblings/FC.html >-->Bunch of diesel tech: http://m-678.com/index.htm >-->And then a gallery over here: www.thefcconnection.com >-->Elliott ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 19:48:32 -0700 (PDT) From: elliott sydnam Subject: Re: fsj: Jeep M677 Crew Cab? (History/tech) It appears they were factory, but built under military contract specifically for the military. http://m-678.com/milFC/mil_main/milPlate.jpg History: http://m-678.com/milFC/mil_main/heritage.htm Cerlist Diesel: http://m-678.com/milFC/Cerlist/Cerlist_Main.htm Elliott - --- john wrote: > ok, but they weren't factory stock... no surprise > that custom > ones were built... ;) would like to see one... > perhaps even > own one since it's a DIESEL!!! :) > > although 3 cylinders wouldn't exactly be an autobahn > cruiser... > > john > > On Mon, 30 May 2005, elliott sydnam wrote: > > >--> > >-->--- john wrote: > >-->> On Mon, 30 May 2005, elliott sydnam wrote: > >-->> > >-->> >-->Does anyone know where to find one of > these four > >-->> door > >-->> >-->rigs (for sale)? > >-->> > >-->>-->http://thefcconnection.com/Jesse%20Ybarra%20M-677.jpg > >-->> > >-->> that is NOT a factory setup. notice the middle > >-->> window... > >-->> that and I looked up the FC info, no listing > of a > >-->> 4dr whatsoever. :) > >-->> > >-->> so, the only one, possibly, in existence, is > that > >-->> one. > >-->> > >-->> john > >--> > >--> > >-->John, > >-->There were several hundred made for the military > in > >-->different configurations. The M677 had a 3cyl > diesel > >-->in it also. Here is more info on the military > >-->versions: > >-->Crew cab restoration: > >-->http://www.newcotech.com/fcjeep/rou...a_m677_gray.htm > >-->http://www.film.queensu.ca/CJ3B/Siblings/FC.html > >-->Bunch of diesel tech: http://m-678.com/index.htm > >-->And then a gallery over here: > www.thefcconnection.com > >-->Elliott > > ---- > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ** http://JohnMeister.com **** > http://wagoneers.com ** > Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't > rust, they mold > ** http://freegift.net *** > http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 19:51:22 -0700 (PDT) From: elliott sydnam Subject: fsj: Jeep M677 Crew Cab Restoration Pics The other link was no good: http://www.newcotech.com/fcjeep/roundup/2005/ybarra_m677_gray.htm Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 12:03:07 -0700 From: "Jim Blair" Subject: fsj: Re: Re: [db] don't look if you are a bit squeamish ;-) A: I know what you mean! If I hadn't tripped across a deal on another 2.5L, I may have put the AMC 360 I have under the hood of the '84 XJ I picked up! I copied and adjusted that pic to try to see what Tcase (Probably NP203 or 206, but it could be a NP208C) On Mon, 30 May 2005, Stephen Rigley wrote: >-->http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=6154&item=4552440151&rd=1 >--> >-->bruuutal! >--> It looks pretty good to me... at least in concept... ;) (remember this sort of thing ALMOST happened here to a certain '77 300CD and an '83 GMC Jimmy with a 6.2L Diesel... instead the 6.2L idea ended up in my '83 J10. But wait, I still have the '83 Jimmy... ;) My '83 K15 is way wider than my 124 Benz, and it sure shows, look at how far the wheels stick out. You can't tell if they modified the front suspension or just welded a bunch of stuff to hold the benz up. However, I suppose this is a good use for a GAS Mercedes anyway. :) However, there are a number of weak spots in this design, besides the Chevy part: 1) 305 - some journalist refer to it as 3 oh why? 2) Turbo 350 - rather lightweight version of the TH400 3) Holley CARB??? yuck. 4) no title for the Benz, that could be an issue, must have come from NJ late at night maybe? ;) The driveline in this conversion is, shall we say, pathetic. There isn't a single component, except maybe the transfer case, which isn't mentioned, that is worthy of any 4x4. My '83 Jimmy popped a hub in the back yard moving my J10 trailer around. GM stuff is not exactly durable. The 3/4T GMC truck that got tagged by that TJ in a 20mph zone sure showed that to me. Anyway, if my '91 300D 2.5L Turbo Diesel ever gets wrecked or vandalized or otherwise totalled and the motor is still good I would like to put it into an XJ. :) But if the motor were to go away in the 124 I don't think I'd put the body onto a 4x4... seats aren't comfortable enough and Rube Goldberg was part of the design team for the climate control, door locks, windows, etc. etc. ;) One of the reasons I usually don't read the want ads or wander around unsupervised in wrecking yards is that I get too many ideas, and there is so little time, so little space. :) Someone needs to come to my house and rescue the '79 300SD, the '86 Cherokee Chief and the '92 Cherokee Sport and maybe the '83 GMC Jimmy before something strange and unusual happens there... :) 6.2L into the '79 300SD, the 3.0L into the '92 XJ... then the 4.0L into the '83 Jimmy???? no, just can't make it work... ;) FWIW, Here's some of the details from the overpriced ebay ad: (thankfully. ;) if this was priced around $1,500 or so and on the west coast this thing might find it's way on top of the aforementioned '83 GMC Jimmy 6.2L Diesel chassis... ;) later, john 1977 Chevrolet : Blazer Chevrolet Item number: 4552440151 Vehicle Description Here's your chance to own a one of a kind "Monster Mercedes" that I bet not everyone has.I have for auction a 87 Mercedes 260E on a 77 Chevy blazer drive train.The body is in good shape with a few small ding's.The interior is in good shape tan in color,The seats are manual adjustment,electric windows ,sunroof, power locks . The rear seat is from a 400E so it is bucket type seats with a wood roll top arm rest .I have the air bag disconnected but it can be plugged back if you prefer.The engine is a 305, 8 cylinder with a Holley 650 carb .vac .mod. manual choke,Dynomax headers custom dual 2 1/2 "exaust with Thrush mufflers and chrome tips.All of the suspention is stock 77 chevy.It has new 31x10.5 Liberator AT radial tires with less than 50 miles on them.I have a title for the blazer but not the Mercedes.Due to the fact that it is a custom built vehicle the actual mileage may be more or less than stated.There is no warranty on this vehicle.but I would drive it any where with confidence.The four wheel drive works fine,the transmission is a turbo 350. automatic.I had it tagged on street rod tags,drove it it a few times a month ,I have turned many heads with this truck,lots of smiles and thumbs up from other drivers.People stop in my drive way to ask questions.Every one wants to know ,how the? what the? I have never seen anything that looks like that in my life! Here's your chance to own a one of a kind vehicle whether you think its a truck or a car ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 13:27:54 -0700 From: "Jim Blair" Subject: fsj: dang hard to find parts! I spent a big chunk of yesterday looking for a pilot bearing and finally found one today. '84 Cherokee with 4 cyl and 5 speed takes a FC65446 pilot bearing and NO-ONE had one yesterday! Sea-Tac trans has it (under a different part number) but apparently it's an obsoleted item! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 06:15:00 +0000 From: Richard Welty Subject: fsj: administrivia: notes on using this list Digest.Net mailing list "Meta FAQ" These general notes on using Digest.Net mailing lists are posted on the 1st and 15th of each month. This file may be found on the web at http://www.digest.net/general-notes.txt [last revised 5/1/02; removed list of spam strings, as i'm not the only one filtering on them -- rpw] Additional information on Digest.Net's spam policies may be found at http://www.digest.net/email-policy.html and http://www.digest.net/blocked.html Table of Contents 1. Why don't my postings go through? 2. Why can't I unsubscribe? 3. How do I post to the list? 4. Where are the archives? 5. What other lists are on digest.net? 6. Is there a web subscription form? 7. Why not move the lists to someplace like (egroups, topica,...)? 8. 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If so, you may be running afoul of spam control severices (again, see http://www.digest.net/email-policy.html) When these services register a hit, the error code 550 is returned. 550 is a generic code that many broken mail systems report as "user unknown". The "rejectlog" entries for the previous day's mail traffic on digest.net may be viewed at http://www.digest.net/rejectlog.01 Some of you may find it useful or instructive to use the telnet program to connect directly to port 25 on krusty-motorsports.com and see what kind of reply you get; this requires some technical knowledge and is not for everyone (you can get out of this at anytime after the initial banner simply by typing quit and hitting enter.) l) Is SMTP over TLS involved? This is a bit esoteric, but as of 8/8/01 the digest.net mail server will attempt to use "TLS" (Transport Layer Security) for outbound mail if the destination mail server offers it. SMTP over TLS is fairly new technology, and a bit buggy. I am monitoring the logs on the server, and when I see TLS related problems, I manually place the problem destinations on a special exception list; however, this may delay email to the destination host until I make the exception. 2. Why can't I unsubscribe? a) are you using the right address? send to majordomo-at-digest.net, and the command format is unsubscribe list-name my-email-address b) has your email address changed? majordomo has no way of knowing that Fred.Flinstone-at-BarneyCo.com was once fflintstone-at-bedrock.org. you can check this with the which command (see 1.b) above for details) 3. How do I post to the list? You may use either one of two addresses: for example, the bmw-digest may be reached using either bmw-at-digest.net or bmw-digest-at-digest.net If you are using the correct addresses and your posts don't show up, check out the stuff in 1. above. 4. Where are the archives? see ftp://ftp.digest.net/ for digest archives. the web archives have proven problematic, and are awaiting time for a systematic attack on the problems they've been having. 5. What other lists are on digest.net? see http://www.digest.net/ for more information. 6. Is there a web subscription form? Yes, recently added. go to http://www.digest.net/bin/digest-subs.cgi 7. Why not move the lists to someplace like (egroups, topica,...)? The Krusty Motorsports server (aka, digest.net) was explicitly to provide for efficient management of the various automotive mailing lists, done the way that the owner of the server wanted it done. Any migration off of the server (which is already bought, paid for, and configured) would create any number of issues. 8. How do i contact the Server Administrator in an emergency? If my regular email address (rwelty-at-krusty-motorsports.com) isn't working for you, you can fall back on rwelty-at-suespammers.org 9. What is Krusty Motorsports, anyway? Krusty Motorsports (http:/www.krusty-motorsports.com/) is a business which is owned and operated by Richard Welty (rwelty-at-krusty-motorsports.com). Krusty is an S-Corporation in the State of New York. Krusty provides a number of Internet related services, such as mailing list, web sites, pop3/telnet accounts, and consulting on internet related issues. For more information, see the web site. ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #2449 **************************