From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Thu Feb 2 21:53:15 2006 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Friday, February 3 2006 Volume 01 : Number 2580 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: fsj: Re: xj: 42RE & 45RFE RE: fsj: Re: xj: 42RE & 45RFE RE: fsj: Re: xj: 42RE & 45RFE RE: fsj: Re: xj: 42RE & 45RFE fsj: more Diesel dreams... fsj: Re: [db] more Diesel dreams... fsj: Re: xj: 42RE fsj: Re: [db] Re: Craigslist.com FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 14:15:08 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: fsj: Re: xj: 42RE & 45RFE On Wed, 1 Feb 2006, Allen Zylstra wrote: >-->That is interesting. It would probably be an upgrade is all the >-->electronics can be made to work together. I don't know if they share the >-->case. I would think the 45rfe is different. The f means something. I >-->believe 5 speed. I may be wrong. Allen It appears that the 42RE indicates an electronic governor with lock-up clutch while the 45RFE is a full electronic transmission. facts are in a temporarily shared pdf at: http://wagoneers.com/tmp/trans-xfr1.pdf john ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 21:32:14 -0800 From: "Jim Blair" Subject: RE: fsj: Re: xj: 42RE & 45RFE The E stands for electronic. It's controlled by the engine computer. I want to reverse engineer a 42RE to work in my J4000 so I have overdrive (since I drive the highways so much with loads) build your truck right the first time! On Wed, 1 Feb 2006, Allen Zylstra wrote: >-->That is interesting. It would probably be an upgrade is all the >-->electronics can be made to work together. I don't know if they share >the >-->case. I would think the 45rfe is different. The f means something. I >-->believe 5 speed. I may be wrong. Allen It appears that the 42RE indicates an electronic governor with lock-up clutch while the 45RFE is a full electronic transmission. facts are in a temporarily shared pdf at: http://wagoneers.com/tmp/trans-xfr1.pdf john http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 22:02:49 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: RE: fsj: Re: xj: 42RE & 45RFE well Jim, you might want to do two things: 1) download that pdf before I remove it from my server 2) read the descriptions. :) enjoy, john On Wed, 1 Feb 2006, Jim Blair wrote: > -->The E stands for electronic. It's controlled by the engine computer. I want > -->to reverse engineer a 42RE to work in my J4000 so I have overdrive (since I > -->drive the highways so much with loads) > --> > -->It appears that the 42RE indicates an electronic governor with lock-up > -->clutch > -->while the 45RFE is a full electronic transmission. > --> > -->facts are in a temporarily shared pdf at: > --> http://wagoneers.com/tmp/trans-xfr1.pdf > --> > -->john ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 22:14:10 -0800 From: "Jim Blair" Subject: RE: fsj: Re: xj: 42RE & 45RFE I have the factory manual for rebuilding that thing. (plus a few tricks from my Mopar years) build your truck right the first time! _________________________________________________________________ Don^Rt just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 11:02:03 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: fsj: more Diesel dreams... talked with a guy in the bay area about a Turbo Diesel XJ on craigslist... it's got the 5 speed... won't work for me... that and a 21 year old XJ would need more attention than I want to give it. :) When I suggested it to my wife I got a very clear answer. :) besides, I'm thoroughly enjoying my '91 300D... (the fuel gauge has moved, but it's real slow... ;) around 320 miles on the trip odo now... ) But still, it's got me thinking again... a Diesel XJ would be nice, especially as a snow/trail vehicle... and I just happen to have a "spare" XJ... that white '92 sport with a bad engine... a friend is putting one of my used 4.0Ls in it now... if that engine turns out to work, it's gone, if not... hmmmm.... ...Atlas has a divorced mount xfr case... and I can get a 3.0L TD for less than $1,500... wonder what the Atlas case sells for... anyone know? ...thinking, not acting at this point... keep the popcorn buttered... ;) I know, I know a Diesel J10 is in my future... has been for over 5 years now... ;) john ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 11:59:58 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: fsj: Re: [db] more Diesel dreams... well that busts my budget... ;) that's more than I pay for most of my Jeeps... :) thanx JB. john On Thu, 2 Feb 2006, J.B. Hebert wrote: > -->The cheapest Atlas cases start at $2,195. If you want to add any options, > -->like the 32 splice front output, it goes up from there. > --> > -->J.B. > --> > -->At 02:02 PM 2/2/2006, you wrote: > --> > -->> talked with a guy in the bay area about a Turbo Diesel > -->> XJ on craigslist... it's got the 5 speed... won't work for me... that > -->> and a > -->> 21 year old XJ would need more attention than I want to give it. :) > -->> When I suggested it to my wife I got a very clear answer. :) > -->> > -->> besides, I'm thoroughly enjoying my '91 300D... (the fuel gauge has > -->> moved, but it's real slow... ;) around 320 miles on the trip odo now... > -->> ) > -->> > -->> But still, it's got me thinking again... a Diesel XJ would be nice, > -->> especially as a snow/trail vehicle... and I just happen to have a > -->> "spare" XJ... that white '92 sport with a bad engine... a friend > -->> is putting one of my used 4.0Ls in it now... if that engine turns out > -->> to work, it's gone, if not... hmmmm.... > -->> > -->> ...Atlas has a divorced mount xfr case... and I can get a 3.0L TD > -->> for less than $1,500... wonder what the Atlas case sells for... > -->> anyone know? > -->> > -->> ...thinking, not acting at this point... keep the popcorn buttered... ;) > -->> > -->> I know, I know a Diesel J10 is in my future... has been for over 5 > -->> years > -->> now... ;) > -->> > -->> john > -->> ---- > -->> > -->> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -->> ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** > -->> Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > -->> ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** > -->> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -->> > -->> > -->> > -->> > -->> > -->> -- > -->> No virus found in this incoming message. > -->> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > -->> Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.0/248 - Release Date: 2/1/2006 > --> > --> > -->-- > -->No virus found in this outgoing message. > -->Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > -->Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.0/248 - Release Date: 2/1/2006 > --> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 13:34:37 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: fsj: Re: xj: 42RE On Thu, 2 Feb 2006, Allen Zylstra wrote: >-->I don't know. It may be a possible upgrade. Mine has 147K on it, but I >-->have seen/read about some with less than 100K getting replaced. I think >-->some were done that only needed adjustments are sensors replaced. Jim >-->mentioned a change to all electric after 97. Need an experts opinion. I'm not sure Jim has a complete understanding or experience with these models. The documentation I have, factory WJ manuals, says that the 42RE has an electric lockup torque converter, while the 45RFE is full electronic. This is from a 1999-200x WJ manual, so I can say quite clearly that the 42RE is not all electric, and it's after '97. The pdf is still in the temp space so read it yourself... Jim is usually pretty dang close on most issues. But having worked with him on a number of projects here he's been off by just a little bit more than once. It's not really his fault, it's Jeep/Chrysler/AMC... they make subtle changes to parts that look alike. Jim and I have wandered around swap meets picking up carb parts and found that they did not interchange as we had hoped. We've tried to intermingle XJ and Eagle parts, again we were stymied. I suspect that the same kind of thing might happen with transmissions, at least based on what I'm hearing, reading and imagine. He's close... but these ain't hand grenades, atombombs or horseshoes, so close doesn't work. :) Besides, most of his experience is with older models, as is most of ours. The documentation I have indicates some major differences to what Jim is saying. Of course this documentation doesn't come out and say that it's a 904/999/727 with this or that, or if those models even were carried over. A transmission shop or dealership might have useful info. I've been thinking about calling a transmission shop to get more info. Will also help me make a decision on whether to keep my 4.0 or 4.7L WJ. I know that when the WJ came out Jeep claimed it was all new. I know many folks with Zjs that had trans trouble, but no one with a WJ. I'm thinking they are not the same transmission, but unless I get my hands on a factory manual for a ZJ, or talk to a paid expert with direct and recent experience, I'll remain skeptical. >-->Allen >--> >--> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >--> >--> From: john >--> Reply-To: xj-at-digest.net >--> To: xj-at-digest.net >--> Subject: Re: xj: 42RE >--> Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 07:37:58 -0800 (PST) >--> >On Thu, 2 Feb 2006, Allen Zylstra wrote: >--> > >-->Well it seems you know these. I may need some tips when it >--> come to >--> > >-->rebuild time. Mine is a 96 model. I think it currently needs >--> a band >--> > >-->adjustment. They shifts are delayed when I get on it. Towing >--> 4000lbs >--> > >-->doesn't help either. Any tips on improving the shifting. I >--> doesn't slip >--> > >-->just takes it time going from 1-2 and 2-3 I think. Mostly 1-2. >--> Allen >--> > >--> >I wonder if they did something to these transmissions differently in >--> the >--> >WJs, I've not heard of anyone having troubles with them. How many >--> miles >--> >did the ZJs have when trouble started? >--> > >--> >john >--> > ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 21:52:33 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: fsj: Re: [db] Re: Craigslist.com > On Thu, 2 Feb 2006, Noel Higa wrote: > Try this: http://www.crxsearch.com/forums/ > Noel thanx. this looks promising, will try it later, going to share it with the lists... a search tool for craigslist! I'm not so sure I should load it on my system though... ;) john ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #2580 **************************