From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Fri Mar 31 19:32:34 2006 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Saturday, April 1 2006 Volume 01 : Number 2614 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: fsj: Re: lincoln and Linux fsj: Re: lincoln and Linux Re: fsj: Re: lincoln and Linux Re: fsj: Re: lincoln and Linux Re: fsj: Re: lincoln and Linux Re: fsj: OT: lincoln and Linux fsj: Re: lincoln and Linux fsj: Re: lincoln and Linux Re: fsj: OT: lincoln and Linux Re: fsj: OT: lincoln and Linux fsj: bolt-in SOA axles FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 15:47:36 +0000 From: "michel balea" Subject: fsj: Re: lincoln and Linux From: Dan >>>Really nice mileage -- 25-26mpg on the highway, <<<< i had the chance to rent one.... about 10 years ago, after the wagoneer had a fit one evening.... bad coil....and needed to bring 5 people back to the bay area.... very impressed w the mileage, and hte comfort.... about 22+ was what i remembered.... from 17 w the wag.... you get shocked when you fill w less gas for a 200 mile trip..... In the bay area gas price has crepped up to $2.80..... my luck yesterday, i found a 2 places for $2.48 As for Linux.... well i have been a mac user... since the beginning... and i must say that this constant update is driven me insane, OS X being the culmination where everything was moved around. I had to use window XP for 2 years.... and was wondering if you have a good pointer website to swap linux..... XP drive me insane: it is so slow to boot up even from sleep, then the HD is constantly reading..... even when you are not doing anything... is this the evil empire checking your files....or sophos the antiviral agent! Michel 74 wag ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 17:21:46 +0000 From: "michel balea" Subject: fsj: Re: lincoln and Linux From: Dan Black >>>>So what are you looking for, exactly? I don't use linux much myself. I use OSX and have always been extremely happy with it. <<< sorry for the confusion, i meant Linux on the PC platform, not the mac. I am curious if there is way to have the PC system boot up a tad faster from the sleep mode.... for the mac i only click the mouse, while on the pc, it seems like it needs to go get some coffee...... before you get to the desktop... then you have to wait for another few minutes..... cheers Michel ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 11:36:41 CST From: Dan Black Subject: Re: fsj: Re: lincoln and Linux "michel balea" said: {- I am curious if there is way to have the PC system boot up a tad faster from {- the sleep mode.... for the mac i only click the mouse, while on the pc, it {- seems like it needs to go get some coffee...... before you get to the {- desktop... then you have to wait for another few minutes..... No idea. I specifically set all my computers to never sleep. My Mac is serving stuff, and frequently doing video compression, so I don't want it to sleep, or to waste CPU cycles on a screen saver. I shut off the monitor manually when I'm not using it. On the Wintel at work, I've never been able to get the Dells to wake up again, requiring a hard reboot, so I _really_ don't want that going to sleep. And you have to turn it off about five different places in the control panels. (Looks like one place in the Display settings, around four in the Power Options.) Admittedly, it's similar on the Mac, but not buried on the different tabs -- IIRC, one place for the screen saver, and a couple places on one screen of the Energy settings. (The hibernation enable is buried on a different tab on Windows Power Options, and that's one of the main ones I _never_ want to happen.) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I refuse to answer that question on the grounds that I don't know the answer. -- Douglas Adams - -------------- Dan Black ------------------------- dan-at-black.org -------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 13:15:43 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: fsj: Re: lincoln and Linux if you think 25 mpg is good on the highway you'd love a Mercedes Diesel, I'm getting about 29 mpg IN TOWN, with my foot in the pump... have gotten over 39 mpg on the interstate... may not be as fast as a lincoln, but it's 3 seconds faster than my last V8 powered FSJ and is faster than a coffee can honda. as far as linux, recommend SuSE 9.2 pro or higher... dual boot your system... of course if you've got mac os 10x then just learn how to use it, it's excellent. john On Thu, 30 Mar 2006, michel balea wrote: > -->From: Dan > -->> > > Really nice mileage -- 25-26mpg on the highway, <<<< > --> > -->i had the chance to rent one.... about 10 years ago, after the wagoneer had > -->a fit one evening.... bad coil....and needed to bring 5 people back to the > -->bay area.... very impressed w the mileage, and hte comfort.... about 22+ was > -->what i remembered.... from 17 w the wag.... you get shocked when you fill w > -->less gas for a 200 mile trip..... > --> > -->In the bay area gas price has crepped up to $2.80..... my luck yesterday, i > -->found a 2 places for $2.48 > --> > -->As for Linux.... well i have been a mac user... since the beginning... and i > -->must say that this constant update is driven me insane, OS X being the > -->culmination where everything was moved around. I had to use window XP for 2 > -->years.... and was wondering if you have a good pointer website to swap > -->linux..... XP drive me insane: it is so slow to boot up even from sleep, > -->then the HD is constantly reading..... even when you are not doing > -->anything... is this the evil empire checking your files....or sophos the > -->antiviral agent! > --> > -->Michel > -->74 wag > --> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- to fry some phish: http://castlecops.com/pirt - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 13:18:21 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: fsj: Re: lincoln and Linux well, linux won't be a solution for a slow boot up... there is a lot that gets configured on bootup... the difference between linux and windows is that linux can literally run for months and months without a reboot and still be fast, perky and secure. windows requires an occassional reboot to clear up memory issues, reload drivers that have been stepped on, etc. john On Thu, 30 Mar 2006, michel balea wrote: > -->From: Dan Black > -->> > > > So what are you looking for, exactly? I don't use linux > -->> > > > much myself. I > -->use OSX and have always been extremely happy with it. <<< > --> > -->sorry for the confusion, i meant Linux on the PC platform, not the mac. > --> > -->I am curious if there is way to have the PC system boot up a tad faster from > -->the sleep mode.... for the mac i only click the mouse, while on the pc, it > -->seems like it needs to go get some coffee...... before you get to the > -->desktop... then you have to wait for another few minutes..... > --> > -->cheers > --> > -->Michel > --> > --> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- to fry some phish: http://castlecops.com/pirt - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 16:00:36 CST From: Dan Black Subject: Re: fsj: OT: lincoln and Linux john said: {- gets configured on bootup... the difference between linux and windows is that {- linux can literally run for months and months without a reboot and still be {- fast, {- perky and secure. windows requires an occassional reboot to clear up memory {- issues, {- reload drivers that have been stepped on, etc. Actually, as much as I love to criticize Windows, this is much less true since Windows 2000 (including XP). To be honest and fair, reboots on Windows are now almost as rare as reboots on my Mac. On the Mac, I basically reboot when I do a major software update, maybe once every month or two. And then it's just because the OS demands a reboot; it would've kept running fine without rebooting. I've frozen the system and had to reboot because of it probably three times or so since I got the computer 3.5 years ago, and it's running all the time, and I do tons of stuff on it -- video work, server stuff, everything. I frequently run iMovie, DVD Studio Pro, Terminal, Firefox, Photoshop, the Compressor utilities (often doing video compression in the background), and maybe one or two others -- all at once. And it stays fast and responsive in all the applictions. It has dual processors and 2GB/RAM and fast hard drives, but we're still talking about an 867MHz machine. Current uptime, for the record, is 26d:13h:38m, which is when I last rebooted after a software update. Heh, I used to run my home server on a Power Mac 8500 that had been upgraded to a 350MHz G4 (IIRC) with 1GB/RAM and had been hacked to run OSX (not supported for that machine). And then I let it run over a year and a half -- without a monitor. I just ssh'ed in for everything, and it was set to automatically reboot on power failure. (Now I have two UPSes, and I haven't had a long enough outage to kill power to a computer since I got them, probably two years ago.) On my winXP machine at work, it's always less responsive for multitasking once I have one or two big applications open (NetBeans, hit anything on network drives with Windows Explorer) and start hitting anything hard, but it "only" has a single 2.8GHz P4 with 1GB/RAM and a cheap--at-$$ hard drive. But I've probably only frozen it requiring a hard reboot about three or four times in the 1.5yrs I've had it. (Plus, of course, occasional planned reboots for software updates, though actually a little less frequent than on the Mac -- which is both good _and_ bad... They don't do updates quite as quickly as they should, while Apple, if anything, overreacts and puts out updates very quickly... I think I prefer Apple's "err on the side of caution" attitude for this sort of thing.) Half the reboots of the Mac is darn good for Windows, and I don't consider the reboots to be frequent enough to be annoying anymore. Of course, on Windows, you have to know what you're doing to avoid spyware and adware and viruses which will all ruin your machine, but I obviously do fine since it's still pretty stable. If you let that stuff get in, you're stuck with massive maintenance or simply reformatting and reinstalling -- and good luck saving all your data then. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- When I turned two I was really anxious, because I'd doubled my age in a year. I thought, if this keeps up, by the time I'm six I'll be ninety. - -------------- Dan Black ------------------------- dan-at-black.org -------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 02:00:00 +0000 From: "michel balea" Subject: fsj: Re: lincoln and Linux >>>From: john if you think 25 mpg is good on the highway you'd love a Mercedes Diesel, I'm getting about 29 mpg IN TOWN, with my foot in the pump... have gotten over 39 mpg on the interstate... may not be as fast as a lincoln, but it's 3 seconds faster than my last V8 powered FSJ and is faster than a coffee can honda<<< I had a ford in europ last year w turbo diesel... about 44 mpg... and the speed limit is about 80 mph. How do you service your "older" MB..... My friend got a 79 450 SL (gas, worst than the wagoneer... about 10-12mpg) w 20,000 miles as a hand me down.... the MB dealer does not service vehicle over 20 years of age...... and it needs a little bit of attention. I did some maintenance.... but this ingineering is a nightmare..... the vacuum locks..... the ACC unit..... >>>>>of course if you've got mac os 10x then just learn how to use it, it's >>>>>excellent<<, for the mac no problem.... it is window that drives me to the edge..... Michel ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 19:26:17 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: fsj: Re: lincoln and Linux the DieselBenz list was created to answer such questions... it was the third list I started... but basically the mercedes Diesels are quite easy to maintain, most reputable dealerships have no problem supporting them. the best models are the 123, 124 and 126 series. Mine is a 124. there are often good local independent mechanics, but finding them is only slightly less difficult than finding a good FSJ wrench. my '91 300d has 220,000 miles, it has needed very little in the last 3 years and 50,000+miles... superb engineering... of course we won't talk about the Rube Goldberg climate control stuff, but basic engine/trans is bullet proof. john On Fri, 31 Mar 2006, michel balea wrote: > --> > --> > --> > -->> > > From: john > -->if you think 25 mpg is good on the highway you'd love a Mercedes Diesel, > -->I'm getting about 29 mpg IN TOWN, with my foot in the pump... have gotten > -->over 39 mpg on the interstate... may not be as fast as a lincoln, but it's > -->3 seconds faster than my last V8 powered FSJ and is faster than a coffee can > -->honda<<< > --> > -->I had a ford in europ last year w turbo diesel... about 44 mpg... and the > -->speed limit is about 80 mph. How do you service your "older" MB..... My > -->friend got a 79 450 SL (gas, worst than the wagoneer... about 10-12mpg) w > -->20,000 miles as a hand me down.... the MB dealer does not service vehicle > -->over 20 years of age...... and it needs a little bit of attention. I did > -->some maintenance.... but this ingineering is a nightmare..... the vacuum > -->locks..... the ACC unit..... > --> > --> > -->> > > > > of course if you've got mac os 10x then just learn how > -->> > > > > to use it, it's excellent<<, > -->for the mac no problem.... it is window that drives me to the edge..... > --> > -->Michel > --> > --> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- to fry some phish: http://castlecops.com/pirt - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 19:30:59 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: fsj: OT: lincoln and Linux On Thu, 30 Mar 2006, Dan Black wrote: >-->john said: >-->{- gets configured on bootup... the difference between linux and windows is that >-->{- linux can literally run for months and months without a reboot and still be >-->{- fast, >-->{- perky and secure. windows requires an occassional reboot to clear up memory >-->{- issues, >-->{- reload drivers that have been stepped on, etc. >--> >-->Actually, as much as I love to criticize Windows, this is much less true >-->since Windows 2000 (including XP). To be honest and fair, reboots on >-->Windows are now almost as rare as reboots on my Mac. memory leaks still exist... I'm managing a lab with 40+ winxp systems... you're right, much more stable, but still have issues... often subtle not easily spotted issues that affect productivity. >-->On the Mac, I basically reboot when I do a major software update, maybe >-->once every month or two. And then it's just because the OS demands a >-->reboot; it would've kept running fine without rebooting. I've frozen >-->the system and had to reboot because of it probably three times or so >-->since I got the computer 3.5 years ago, and it's running all the time, unless you have a patch to the kernel or add a new driver to the kernel you shouldn't need to reboot your mac, or linux systems for that matter... >-->and I do tons of stuff on it -- video work, server stuff, everything. I >-->frequently run iMovie, DVD Studio Pro, Terminal, Firefox, Photoshop, the >-->Compressor utilities (often doing video compression in the background), >-->and maybe one or two others -- all at once. And it stays fast and >-->responsive in all the applictions. It has dual processors and 2GB/RAM >-->and fast hard drives, but we're still talking about an 867MHz machine. >-->Current uptime, for the record, is 26d:13h:38m, which is when I last >-->rebooted after a software update. yep, my linux server (wagoneers.com) was running for over six months when some idiot tried to copy three computers to it all at the same time... ;) that kind of problem is a self-inflicted wound, probably didn't require a reboot but it was less embarrassing than trying to wait for all the processes to terminate... ;) you know, we should probably get back on topic... been a pleasant side trip, one of the better diversions... or carry on with it, we're all friends here. ;) john ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- to fry some phish: http://castlecops.com/pirt - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 07:50:29 CST From: Dan Black Subject: Re: fsj: OT: lincoln and Linux john said: {- unless you have a patch to the kernel or add a new driver to the kernel {- you shouldn't need to reboot your mac, or linux systems for that matter... I just run Software Update and reboot when it tells me. Of course, it warns me _before_ I tell it to run that update that it will require a reboot. (Of course, it tells you for sure for each update -- Windows just warns you that it _might_, no matter what you're updating. Better than no warning, though.) And if it's going to require a reboot, obviously I get to a stopping point in everything else -- i.e., I don't do that update while I'm waiting for video to compress, because I think it would have to start that clip over. {- you know, we should probably get back on topic... been a pleasant side {- trip, one of the better diversions... {- or carry on with it, we're all friends here. ;) That's why I added the "OT:" in the subject yesterday. ;) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The word "politics" is derived from the word "poly", meaning "many", and the word "ticks", meaning "blood sucking parasites." -- Larry Hardiman - -------------- Dan Black ------------------------- dan-at-black.org -------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 22:37:37 -0500 From: "Neal Hoover" Subject: fsj: bolt-in SOA axles i know i've been kicking the SOA ball around for quite some time, but it's getting down close to it for me now. thanks for letting me bat it around so much. :-} ok, to my knowledge, there are about 3 options for doing an SOA on a FSJ... particularly a wide-track j-truck: 1 cut, grind, and weld on new mounts to the existing front axle (among many other things) 2 bolt in a late 70s - mid 80s chevy 1/2-ton D44 3 use a ford front D44. i think i've decided to forego the 1st 2 options and shoot for the 3rd. but, my question is, does anyone know which years / models of fords to look for? i of course want to stay away from their TTB axles and such. i'm basically looking for a ford front solid axle D44 with a passenger side drop. the main reason i'm looking to go this route (aside from the fact that i'm hoping the track width and spring perches are pretty close to being right) is because i'm planning on doing a shackle reversal along with the SOA conversion. and i noticed that the fords already have the shackle in the rear arrangement. this i'm hoping with help with my castor headaches and pinion angle issues that are sure to rear their ugly heads. and, AFAIK, the chevy front spring overs are shackles in the front (but i could be very wrong) any help on this issue would be greatly appreciated. thanks! Neal A. Hoover Project '76 J-10 Project '96 XJ http://community.webshots.com/user/proj96xj ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #2614 **************************