From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Fri Apr 7 23:23:08 2006 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Saturday, April 8 2006 Volume 01 : Number 2619 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: fsj: Jeep quiz fsj: Re: How much do you have into your buildup? Re: fsj: How much do you have into your buildup? Re: fsj: Jeep quiz fsj: Commander pics Re: fsj: Jeep quiz Re: fsj: Commander pics Re: fsj: Commander pics Re: fsj: Jeep quiz Re: fsj: Commander pics Re: fsj: Jeep quiz fsj: Re: xj: Re: [db] $2.90/gallon!?!?! Re: fsj: Commander pics fsj: color selections - part duex Re: fsj: Jeep quiz FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 00:21:04 -0700 From: "Jim Blair" Subject: fsj: Jeep quiz http://www.patriotjeepers.com/quiz/ ~~build your truck right the first time!~~ Nice quiz, but there are some errors that need fixing! Question #6 is wrong! Jeep Cherokee started in 1974 as a full size. If you reword the question to read XJ it would make sense (but the XJ Wagoneer ltd had a different grill and headlight setup). The FSJ 4 dr came along in '66 and ended as a Grand Wagoneer in '91. Jeep Comanche has 1 E too! (Question 10) Dispatch and not dispather Jeep. (Question 11) Jeep XJ started in the model year 1984 (8/84) and the full size Cherokee 4 dr became the Grand Wagoneer. How about adding some lesser known Jeep rig info like the Jeepster? ~~build your truck right the first time!~~ _________________________________________________________________ On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 03:32:20 EDT From: Brazzadog-at-aol.com Subject: fsj: Re: How much do you have into your buildup? '78 Cherokee Chief $500 - driven about 5 times before getting parked. It's been sitting for almost 2 years due to lack of time and a rear main seal that thinks it's the Alaska pipeline. Spare AMC 360 motor - free, and remarkably, cheaper than a new rear main seal for the motor in the Cherokee. Ben In a message dated 4/6/2006 11:44:42 PM Pacific Daylight Time, owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net writes: From: "Jim Blair" _carnuck1-at-msn.com_ (mailto:carnuck1-at-msn.com) After $10K I stopped counting! Started with an '83 Cherokee 4 dr full size, then got an '84 J10 in better shape ($1,000) One of the first stroker motors assembled from scratch in '99 (before I was working for an autoparts store where I could get a discount) $3500 in pieces and machine work to make it 11:1 and run LPG. AW4 (23 spline from a '95 XJ with only 50,000 kilometers on it from Canada) $500, NV241 OR Rok Lok tcase with 4:1 low range ($2,000 from JB conversions). Ford D44 front axle with 4.10 gears ($250 bolted in for 7" of "instant" lift). http://OTTIndustries.com high steer arms custom made to clear the leaf springs ($350), '76 J20 knuckles (both drilled for high steer $150) and brakes (cost: Bought the J20 and converted it to J10 axles and resold for the same price less small parts and fluids cost), '76 J20 D60 full float rear axle (same rig) '87 GM Hydroboost (scored a deal from junkyard for $50) LPG system with 30 gallon setup $200. 100 gallon spare tank for travel $100. Complete EFI wiring harness from a '92 XJ $100. Custom bumpers and nerfs by Killer32 $1500 36" tires and 3/4 ton rims $1200 (wish they were bigger now!) More bits and pieces I'm probably forgetting about. Now I just need a shop at my new place and I can start assembling it! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 00:36:19 -0700 From: "Jim Blair" Subject: Re: fsj: How much do you have into your buildup? someone want to remove this bouncer from the list? ~~build your truck right the first time!~~ >From : BCM HUMAN RESOURCES Sent : Thursday, April 6, 2006 11:44 PM To : "Jim Blair" Subject : Re: fsj: How much do you have into your buildup? 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Thanks, Baylor College of Medicine _________________________________________________________________ Don^Rt just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 07:45:54 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: fsj: Jeep quiz On Fri, 7 Apr 2006, Jim Blair wrote: > -->http://www.patriotjeepers.com/quiz/ > -->Nice quiz, but there are some errors that need fixing! > --> > -->Question #6 is wrong! Jeep Cherokee started in 1974 as a full size. If you > -->reword the question to read XJ it would make sense (but the XJ Wagoneer ltd > -->had a different grill and headlight setup). The FSJ 4 dr came along in '66 say what? are you thinking the 4dr CHEROKEE SJ? if so it was NOT '66. ;) > -->and ended as a Grand Wagoneer in '91. > --> > -->Jeep Comanche has 1 E too! (Question 10) > --> > -->Dispatch and not dispather Jeep. (Question 11) > --> > -->Jeep XJ started in the model year 1984 (8/84) and the full size Cherokee 4 > -->dr became the Grand Wagoneer. > --> > -->How about adding some lesser known Jeep rig info like the Jeepster? > --> > --> > --> > -->~~build your truck right the first time!~~ > --> > -->_________________________________________________________________ > -->On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to > -->get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement > --> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- to fry some phish: http://castlecops.com/pirt - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 10:07:23 CDT From: Dan Black Subject: fsj: Commander pics This is a bit freaky (look at both pics): http://www.newstreet.it/img/magazine/max/967.jpg http://info.detnews.com/dn/pix/2005/08/24/drive/dr24-CommanderMain2-0805n_08-24-2005_2U832E6.jpg I think these are the same picture, and they just used computers and a good artist to change the color of the vehicle. The angles are the same. Yeah, the camera is likely on a tripod, but every point on the vehicle is at the exact same point in relation to the landscape -- the cliffs behind, the ground and weeds to the back and left, the mountain ridge on the right, the rocks in front, _everything_. The wheels are in exactly the same position (turn angle and rotation, noting the lug nut positions and even the slight light spot of text on the tire). Reflections in the grille and on the sides are identical. What little you can see in the interior is identical. Same color, headrest in the same position, wavy-shape (light on another headrest?) is the same. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If pro is the opposite of con, what is the opposite of progress? - -------------- Dan Black ------------------------- dan-at-black.org -------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 10:44:14 CDT From: Dan Black Subject: Re: fsj: Jeep quiz john said: {- On Fri, 7 Apr 2006, Jim Blair wrote: {- > -->http://www.patriotjeepers.com/quiz/ {- > -->Nice quiz, but there are some errors that need fixing! {- > -->Question #6 is wrong! Jeep Cherokee started in 1974 as a full size. If {- you {- > -->reword the question to read XJ it would make sense (but the XJ Wagoneer {- ltd {- > -->had a different grill and headlight setup). The FSJ 4 dr came along in {- '66 {- {- say what? are you thinking the 4dr CHEROKEE SJ? if so it was NOT '66. ;) Well, the '63 Wagoneer had four doors. I thought the Cherokee started in '74 as a two-door. Was the Cherokee ever a four-door? (Disclaimer: I'm talking entirely about SJs, not XJs.) This page is cool, if with a couple minor errors (like the shrank the wrong picture for the thumbnail for the '86 Grand Wag, though the pics linked below it are right): http://www.4x4review.com/feature/50-years-Jeep/default.asp - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If the world gives you lemons, you can make lemonade... or you can make a biologically engineered virulent air-born pathogenic virus that will wipe out the entire population of the planet, which would be a whole lot cooler. -- Quan Choi - -------------- Dan Black ------------------------- dan-at-black.org -------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 09:09:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg Loxtercamp Subject: Re: fsj: Commander pics John did the same thing when his attention was focused on the new color for SuperDog...when was that, five years ago??? He published a link to a webpage with retouched photos of SuperDog with different colored paint. He probably still has all those pictures on his website :-) Heck, I probably still have the link... Greg - --- Dan Black wrote: > This is a bit freaky (look at both pics): > http://www.newstreet.it/img/magazine/max/967.jpg > http://info.detnews.com/dn/pix/2005/08/24/drive/dr24-CommanderMain2-0805n_08-24-2005_2U832E6.jpg > > I think these are the same picture, and they just used computers > and a > good artist to change the color of the vehicle. > > The angles are the same. Yeah, the camera is likely on a tripod, > but > every point on the vehicle is at the exact same point in relation > to the > landscape -- the cliffs behind, the ground and weeds to the back > and > left, the mountain ridge on the right, the rocks in front, > _everything_. > > The wheels are in exactly the same position (turn angle and > rotation, > noting the lug nut positions and even the slight light spot of text > on > the tire). > > Reflections in the grille and on the sides are identical. > > What little you can see in the interior is identical. Same color, > headrest in the same position, wavy-shape (light on another > headrest?) > is the same. > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > If pro is the opposite of con, what is the opposite of > progress? > -------------- Dan Black ------------------------- dan-at-black.org > -------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 16:33:02 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: fsj: Commander pics you, quite frankly, simply, have way, way too much time on your hands. you need to come out here and help me swap my tranny this weekend. :) john On Fri, 7 Apr 2006, Dan Black wrote: >-->This is a bit freaky (look at both pics): >-->http://www.newstreet.it/img/magazine/max/967.jpg >-->http://info.detnews.com/dn/pix/2005/08/24/drive/dr24-CommanderMain2-0805n_08-24-2005_2U832E6.jpg >--> >-->I think these are the same picture, and they just used computers and a >-->good artist to change the color of the vehicle. >--> >-->The angles are the same. Yeah, the camera is likely on a tripod, but >-->every point on the vehicle is at the exact same point in relation to the >-->landscape -- the cliffs behind, the ground and weeds to the back and >-->left, the mountain ridge on the right, the rocks in front, _everything_. >--> >-->The wheels are in exactly the same position (turn angle and rotation, >-->noting the lug nut positions and even the slight light spot of text on >-->the tire). >--> >-->Reflections in the grille and on the sides are identical. >--> >-->What little you can see in the interior is identical. Same color, >-->headrest in the same position, wavy-shape (light on another headrest?) >-->is the same. >--> >-->------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >--> If pro is the opposite of con, what is the opposite of progress? >-->-------------- Dan Black ------------------------- dan-at-black.org -------------- >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- to fry some phish: http://castlecops.com/pirt - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 16:35:15 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: fsj: Jeep quiz On Fri, 7 Apr 2006, Dan Black wrote: >-->john said: >-->{- On Fri, 7 Apr 2006, Jim Blair wrote: >-->{- > -->http://www.patriotjeepers.com/quiz/ >-->{- > -->Nice quiz, but there are some errors that need fixing! >-->{- > -->Question #6 is wrong! Jeep Cherokee started in 1974 as a full size. If >-->{- you >-->{- > -->reword the question to read XJ it would make sense (but the XJ Wagoneer >-->{- ltd >-->{- > -->had a different grill and headlight setup). The FSJ 4 dr came along in >-->{- '66 >-->{- >-->{- say what? are you thinking the 4dr CHEROKEE SJ? if so it was NOT '66. ;) >--> >-->Well, the '63 Wagoneer had four doors. I thought the Cherokee started >-->in '74 as a two-door. Was the Cherokee ever a four-door? >--> yes, they came out with a 4dr cherokee in '78 I believe, don't hold me to that date, but they did have one. >-->(Disclaimer: I'm talking entirely about SJs, not XJs.) roger wilco. >--> >-->This page is cool, if with a couple minor errors (like the shrank the >-->wrong picture for the thumbnail for the '86 Grand Wag, though the pics >-->linked below it are right): >-->http://www.4x4review.com/feature/50-years-Jeep/default.asp cool. john >--> >-->------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >--> If the world gives you lemons, you can make lemonade... >--> or you can make a biologically engineered virulent air-born pathogenic >--> virus that will wipe out the entire population of the planet, >--> which would be a whole lot cooler. >--> -- Quan Choi >-->-------------- Dan Black ------------------------- dan-at-black.org -------------- >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- to fry some phish: http://castlecops.com/pirt - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 16:39:42 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: fsj: Commander pics sure they're still there, I'm bohemian, I throw nothing away... fwiw, one of the guys that worked for me did the magic in photoshop, my skills don't extend that far. ;) john On Fri, 7 Apr 2006, Greg Loxtercamp wrote: >-->John did the same thing when his attention was focused on the new >-->color for SuperDog...when was that, five years ago??? He published a >-->link to a webpage with retouched photos of SuperDog with different >-->colored paint. He probably still has all those pictures on his >-->website :-) Heck, I probably still have the link... >--> >-->Greg >--> >-->--- Dan Black wrote: >--> >-->> This is a bit freaky (look at both pics): >-->> http://www.newstreet.it/img/magazine/max/967.jpg >-->> >-->http://info.detnews.com/dn/pix/2005/08/24/drive/dr24-CommanderMain2-0805n_08-24-2005_2U832E6.jpg >-->> >-->> I think these are the same picture, and they just used computers >-->> and a >-->> good artist to change the color of the vehicle. >-->> >-->> The angles are the same. Yeah, the camera is likely on a tripod, >-->> but >-->> every point on the vehicle is at the exact same point in relation >-->> to the >-->> landscape -- the cliffs behind, the ground and weeds to the back >-->> and >-->> left, the mountain ridge on the right, the rocks in front, >-->> _everything_. >-->> >-->> The wheels are in exactly the same position (turn angle and >-->> rotation, >-->> noting the lug nut positions and even the slight light spot of text >-->> on >-->> the tire). >-->> >-->> Reflections in the grille and on the sides are identical. >-->> >-->> What little you can see in the interior is identical. Same color, >-->> headrest in the same position, wavy-shape (light on another >-->> headrest?) >-->> is the same. >-->> >-->> >-->------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >-->> If pro is the opposite of con, what is the opposite of >-->> progress? >-->> -------------- Dan Black ------------------------- dan-at-black.org >-->> -------------- >-->Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >-->http://mail.yahoo.com >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- to fry some phish: http://castlecops.com/pirt - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 16:40:10 -0700 From: Kevin Subject: Re: fsj: Jeep quiz On Fri, Apr 07, 2006 at 04:35:15PM -0700, john wrote: > >-->Well, the '63 Wagoneer had four doors. I thought the Cherokee started > >-->in '74 as a two-door. Was the Cherokee ever a four-door? > > yes, they came out with a 4dr cherokee in '78 I believe, don't hold me > to that date, but they did have one. I have a 77 four door cherokee S. complete with 401, indian stripe down the sides, and the five slot mags. K ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 21:59:46 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: fsj: Re: xj: Re: [db] $2.90/gallon!?!?! wow, both are pretty cool... I wonder what it cost to do the conversion? I'm going to email the guy... I've got that '92 xj with a bad engine... :) like I said early, saw Diesel at $2.99 today in Lynnwood, WA... either the bike setup or the electric will work with a 10 mile commute... john On Fri, 7 Apr 2006, Jesse Barbieri wrote: > -->This is a great idea for us XJ lovers... > -->http://www.driveev.com/jeepev/home.php > --> > -->Jesse. > -->----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave" > -->Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 11:00 AM > -->> At 10:21 PM 4/6/2006 , Eric wrote: > -->> > The more expensive it is the more the alternatives will be explored. > -->> > Here is one: > -->> > http://www.go-one.de/ukindex.shtml > -->> Dave ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- to fry some phish: http://castlecops.com/pirt - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 22:23:33 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: fsj: Commander pics actually going with the same color as my current '99 WJ, see main page: http://www.wagoneers.com/FSJ/rigs/SuperDawg-83-J10-stepside/DawgYear2001/Colors/select.html On Fri, 7 Apr 2006, Greg Loxtercamp wrote: >-->John did the same thing when his attention was focused on the new >-->color for SuperDog...when was that, five years ago??? He published a >-->link to a webpage with retouched photos of SuperDog with different >-->colored paint. He probably still has all those pictures on his >-->website :-) Heck, I probably still have the link... >--> >-->Greg >--> >-->--- Dan Black wrote: >-->> This is a bit freaky (look at both pics): >-->> http://www.newstreet.it/img/magazine/max/967.jpg >-->http://info.detnews.com/dn/pix/2005/08/24/drive/dr24-CommanderMain2-0805n_08-24-2005_2U832E6.jpg >-->> I think these are the same picture, and they just used computers >-->> and a >-->> good artist to change the color of the vehicle. >-->> >-->> The angles are the same. Yeah, the camera is likely on a tripod, >-->> but >-->> every point on the vehicle is at the exact same point in relation >-->> to the >-->> landscape -- the cliffs behind, the ground and weeds to the back >-->> and >-->> left, the mountain ridge on the right, the rocks in front, >-->> _everything_. >-->> >-->> The wheels are in exactly the same position (turn angle and >-->> rotation, >-->> noting the lug nut positions and even the slight light spot of text >-->> on >-->> the tire). >-->> >-->> Reflections in the grille and on the sides are identical. >-->> >-->> What little you can see in the interior is identical. Same color, >-->> headrest in the same position, wavy-shape (light on another >-->> headrest?) >-->> is the same. >-->> >-->> >-->------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >-->> If pro is the opposite of con, what is the opposite of >-->> progress? >-->> -------------- Dan Black ------------------------- dan-at-black.org >-->> -------------- >-->Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >-->http://mail.yahoo.com >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- to fry some phish: http://castlecops.com/pirt - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 22:26:15 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: fsj: color selections - part duex http://www.wagoneers.com/FSJ/rigs/SuperDawg-83-J10-stepside/DawgYear2001/Colors/sselect.html http://www.wagoneers.com/WJ/rigs/99-laredo-V8/ ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- to fry some phish: http://castlecops.com/pirt - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 23:16:48 -0700 From: "Jim Blair" Subject: Re: fsj: Jeep quiz My '83 Cherokee was a 4 dr as well (Elmo. The FSJ that ended my AMC Eagle collection and started the FSJ collection and search to build the ultimate truck!) ~~build your truck right the first time!~~ On Fri, Apr 07, 2006 at 04:35:15PM -0700, john wrote: > >-->Well, the '63 Wagoneer had four doors. I thought the Cherokee started > >-->in '74 as a two-door. Was the Cherokee ever a four-door? > >yes, they came out with a 4dr cherokee in '78 I believe, don't hold me >to that date, but they did have one. I have a 77 four door cherokee S. complete with 401, indian stripe down the sides, and the five slot mags. K _________________________________________________________________ On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #2619 **************************