From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Tue May 23 21:01:37 2006 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Wednesday, May 24 2006 Volume 01 : Number 2642 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: fsj: Rear main seal fsj: Re: fsj-digest V1 #2641 Re: fsj: Rear main seal Re: fsj: Rear main seal fsj: Re: xj: Can someone explain this? Re: fsj: Rear main seal fsj: Re: FW: IFS 63 Wagoneer - ebay - RARE fsj: Re: Re: xj: Can someone explain this? Re: fsj: Rear main seal fsj: RE: Re: Re: xj: Can someone explain this? RE: fsj: RE: Re: Re: xj: Can someone explain this? Re: fsj: Rear main seal Re: fsj: Rear main seal RE: fsj: RE: Re: Re: xj: Can someone explain this? fsj: ZJ only disc brake rotor issue fsj: Re: Rear main seal Re: fsj: Rear main seal Re: fsj: Rear main seal FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 01:23:30 EDT From: Brazzadog-at-aol.com Subject: Re: fsj: Rear main seal So... does this mean it's got blow-by pressurizing the oil pan? I thought the oil pan was normally atmospheric. In a message dated 5/22/2006 10:19:04 PM Pacific Daylight Time, carnuck1-at-msn.com writes: hooked to the valve cover with a seperator. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 01:25:18 EDT From: Brazzadog-at-aol.com Subject: fsj: Re: fsj-digest V1 #2641 I almost forgot. I'm moving across the street : ) Now, I'm really going to bed. In a message dated 5/22/2006 10:19:31 PM Pacific Daylight Time, owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net writes: Btw, where are you moving to? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 22:46:06 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: fsj: Rear main seal you're the one that encouraged him... notice that I didn't. ;) rofl... john On Tue, 23 May 2006 Brazzadog-at-aol.com wrote: >-->So how do you keep from pulling oil into the pump? Hey, wait a minute. I >-->was going to bed. I've been snookered. >--> >-->Ben >--> >-->In a message dated 5/22/2006 10:11:33 PM Pacific Daylight Time, >-->carnuck1-at-msn.com writes: >--> >-->Nah! Nothing that crazy. Just a vacuum inside the crank case. If there is >-->suction inside, oil won't escape. That's a racer's trick to keep oil off the >-->racetrack (they fine you if you have a spill) >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 01:40:12 EDT From: Brazzadog-at-aol.com Subject: Re: fsj: Rear main seal g'night y'all In a message dated 5/22/2006 10:34:56 PM Pacific Daylight Time, john-at-superdawg.wagoneers.com writes: you're the one that encouraged him... notice that I didn't. ;) rofl... john ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 22:58:43 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: fsj: Re: xj: Can someone explain this? wow... I haven't seen anything like this on the XJs, SJs or WJs. This appears to be peculiar to the ZJ, just another reason why I dislike what Chrysler did... cost savings? probably cheaper than having one piece... john On Mon, 22 May 2006, Ed Kummel wrote: >-->Is there a logic to why Jeep did this? >--> I can think of a dozen reasons why this is a bad idea, didn't the designers think this through? >--> Brakes are supposed to be a safety device. But it's not so save when the design is flawed. >--> Take a look at what I found when my wife's 1996 JGC wouldn't stop when she stomped on the brakes: >--> http://newton.tek-ed.com/gallery/jeep/brakes/ >--> >--> This honestly scares me and I'm going to be paranoid about this for as long as I own this vehicle! >--> >--> Ed >--> web/gadget guru >--> >--> >-->"Traveling on a domestic airline with children on board is like traveling with a Chihuahua with diarrhea" >--> Jerry Clavner, a sociology and anthropology professor from Cleveland. >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 05:53:16 +0000 From: "michel balea" Subject: Re: fsj: Rear main seal not too bad on the 78..... the post QT are harder because of the cat/and cross over but on the 74, just the starter which you have to jack up the front right as John says so you can slide the starter off... then, oil pan. of course putting some wood blocks to lift the frame off the ground facilitates the task. get 2 seals just in case you shave the new one on the sharp edges of the engine block. You can warm up the seal, so it is not as stiff. I use permatex #2 on the all the sealing surfaces.... RTV has never worked for me.... Bonne chance Michel 74 wag -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: john Reply-To: john To: Brazzadog-at-aol.com CC: fsj-at-digest.net Subject: Re: fsj: Rear main seal Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 17:39:11 -0700 (PDT) I've done this before by just jacking the frame up and letting the axle drop... not bad at all... john On Mon, 22 May 2006 Brazzadog-at-aol.com wrote: >-->The rear main seal on my '78 WT leaks like somebody opened a faucet. I'm >-->going to be moving soon and am debating whether or not to try to get it done >-->before then or just plan on towing the thing. Can someone remind me whether or >-->not front suspension droop is required in order to remove the oil pan? It >-->seems like I had to do that on my '71, but I think the '78 is supposed to have >-->an inch or two more suspension height. >--> >-->Ben >--> ---- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 06:49:36 -0400 From: "Neal Hoover" Subject: fsj: Re: FW: IFS 63 Wagoneer - ebay - RARE hee-hee. (dangling carrot) Neal A. Hoover Project '76 J-10 Project '96 XJ http://community.webshots.com/user/proj96xj - ----- Original Message ----- From: "john" To: "Neal Hoover" Cc: "diesel john" ; "full size jeep list" ; "xj-list" Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 8:41 PM Subject: Re: FW: IFS 63 Wagoneer - ebay - RARE > > no, no... nooooooooooooooo > > must resist the urge... > > john > > On Mon, 22 May 2006, Neal Hoover wrote: > > >-->have at it, john!!! > >--> > >-->Neal A. Hoover > >-->Project '76 J-10 > >-->Project '96 XJ > >-->http://community.webshots.com/user/proj96xj > >--> > >--> > >-->----- Original Message ----- > >-->From: > >-->To: ; ; > >-->Cc: > >-->Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 4:12 PM > >-->Subject: fsj: FW: IFS 63 Wagoneer - ebay - RARE > >--> > >--> > >-->> This is a very, very rare FSJ... I'm going to meet up with the owner to > >-->take > >-->> pictures of it... this thing needs a good home... He's the 2nd owner!!! > >-->> > >-->> DRIVE IT HOME!!!! > >-->> > >-->> Bid NOW... please, before I'm tempted beyond my control... ;) > >-->> > >-->> john > >-->> > >-->> > >-->> John, > >-->> Have you seen this on Ebay? > >-->> > >-->http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Jeep-Wagoneer-1963-Jeep-Wagoneer-4x4_W0QQ cmdZView > >-->> ItemQQcategoryZ6284QQitemZ4641784048QQrdZ1 > >-->> > >-->> Elliott > >-->> > >-->> 1963 Jeep Wagoneer 4x4 > >-->> > >-->> 1. 3 Speed on column > >-->> 2. Rebuilt 230 6cyl engine with less then 4 hours running time > >-->> 3. New Holley 2-barrel Carberator, fuel tank has been hot tanked and > >-->cleaned > >-->> 4. New brakes, wheel cylinders,spring kits & seals > >-->> 5. Independant front suspension > >-->> 6. Lots of extra parts > >-->> 7. Original manuals , Bill of Sale and two rolls of interior fabric > >-->> 8. Licensed thru March 2007 > >-->> > >-->> This Vehicle is being sold as is were is. and has No Warranty Fill free to > >-->email > >-->> or call with any Question about the jeep uhlers7-at-aol.com or call > >-->206-915-1956 > >-->> ask for Gilbert > >--> > >--> > > ---- > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** > Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 07:01:29 -0400 From: "Neal Hoover" Subject: fsj: Re: Re: xj: Can someone explain this? dunno, but YIKES!! Neal A. Hoover Project '76 J-10 Project '96 XJ http://community.webshots.com/user/proj96xj - ----- Original Message ----- From: "john" To: Cc: ; "full size jeep list" Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 1:58 AM Subject: fsj: Re: xj: Can someone explain this? > wow... > > I haven't seen anything like this on the XJs, SJs or WJs. > > This appears to be peculiar to the ZJ, just another reason > why I dislike what Chrysler did... > > cost savings? probably cheaper than having one piece... > > john > > On Mon, 22 May 2006, Ed Kummel wrote: > > >-->Is there a logic to why Jeep did this? > >--> I can think of a dozen reasons why this is a bad idea, didn't the designers think this through? > >--> Brakes are supposed to be a safety device. But it's not so save when the design is flawed. > >--> Take a look at what I found when my wife's 1996 JGC wouldn't stop when she stomped on the brakes: > >--> http://newton.tek-ed.com/gallery/jeep/brakes/ > >--> > >--> This honestly scares me and I'm going to be paranoid about this for as long as I own this vehicle! > >--> > >--> Ed > >--> web/gadget guru > >--> > >--> > >-->"Traveling on a domestic airline with children on board is like traveling with a Chihuahua with diarrhea" > >--> Jerry Clavner, a sociology and anthropology professor from Cleveland. > >--> > > ---- > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** > Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 09:18:47 EDT From: Brazzadog-at-aol.com Subject: Re: fsj: Rear main seal Ahh, the voice of experience. I guess I'll have to wait until I can jack the Cherokee up a little higher. I haven't used Permatex #2 in years. I guess I'll have to get some. How many miles on the '74 now? Ben In a message dated 5/22/2006 10:53:37 PM Pacific Daylight Time, mbalea-at-hotmail.com writes: not too bad on the 78..... the post QT are harder because of the cat/and cross over but on the 74, just the starter which you have to jack up the front right as John says so you can slide the starter off... then, oil pan. of course putting some wood blocks to lift the frame off the ground facilitates the task. get 2 seals just in case you shave the new one on the sharp edges of the engine block. You can warm up the seal, so it is not as stiff. I use permatex #2 on the all the sealing surfaces.... RTV has never worked for me.... Bonne chance Michel 74 wag ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 06:52:08 -0700 From: "Tesar Landon-r16884" Subject: fsj: RE: Re: Re: xj: Can someone explain this? Stamping steel is an easier and faster process than casting. They may have been thinking about the different cooling times between the thick rotor and thin hub. Really bad to try to weld these two fundamentally different material compositions and structures(as result of the different processing). - - Landon - -----Original Message----- From: owner-fsj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-fsj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of Neal Hoover Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 6:01 AM To: john Cc: full size jeep list Subject: fsj: Re: Re: xj: Can someone explain this? dunno, but YIKES!! Neal A. Hoover Project '76 J-10 Project '96 XJ http://community.webshots.com/user/proj96xj - ----- Original Message ----- From: "john" To: Cc: ; "full size jeep list" Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 1:58 AM Subject: fsj: Re: xj: Can someone explain this? > wow... > > I haven't seen anything like this on the XJs, SJs or WJs. > > This appears to be peculiar to the ZJ, just another reason > why I dislike what Chrysler did... > > cost savings? probably cheaper than having one piece... > > john > > On Mon, 22 May 2006, Ed Kummel wrote: > > >-->Is there a logic to why Jeep did this? > >--> I can think of a dozen reasons why this is a bad idea, didn't the designers think this through? > >--> Brakes are supposed to be a safety device. But it's not so save when the design is flawed. > >--> Take a look at what I found when my wife's 1996 JGC wouldn't stop when she stomped on the brakes: > >--> http://newton.tek-ed.com/gallery/jeep/brakes/ > >--> > >--> This honestly scares me and I'm going to be paranoid about this for as long as I own this vehicle! > >--> > >--> Ed > >--> web/gadget guru > >--> > >--> > >-->"Traveling on a domestic airline with children on board is like traveling with a Chihuahua with diarrhea" > >--> Jerry Clavner, a sociology and anthropology professor from Cleveland. > >--> > > ---- > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ - - > ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** > Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ - - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 09:02:56 -0700 From: "Jim Blair" Subject: RE: fsj: RE: Re: Re: xj: Can someone explain this? The rotors are under defect recall. You can get the whole works replaced under the DOT directive. "If we ever forget that we're one nation under God, then we will be a nation gone under." - - Ronald Reagan _________________________________________________________________ Don^Rt just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 09:16:46 -0700 From: "Jim Blair" Subject: Re: fsj: Rear main seal I did the one on my 304 before I installed it in the '73 J4000. The others I have changed in vehicle were all 6 cyl. "If we ever forget that we're one nation under God, then we will be a nation gone under." - - Ronald Reagan Ahh, the voice of experience. I guess I'll have to wait until I can jack the Cherokee up a little higher. I haven't used Permatex #2 in years. I guess I'll have to get some. How many miles on the '74 now? Ben In a message dated 5/22/2006 10:53:37 PM Pacific Daylight Time, mbalea-at-hotmail.com writes: not too bad on the 78..... the post QT are harder because of the cat/and cross over but on the 74, just the starter which you have to jack up the front right as John says so you can slide the starter off... then, oil pan. of course putting some wood blocks to lift the frame off the ground facilitates the task. get 2 seals just in case you shave the new one on the sharp edges of the engine block. You can warm up the seal, so it is not as stiff. I use permatex #2 on the all the sealing surfaces.... RTV has never worked for me.... Bonne chance Michel 74 wag http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 09:47:31 -0700 From: "Jim Blair" Subject: Re: fsj: Rear main seal The oil pan gets pressurized by blowby. It's normal in any engine that has some miles on it. The AMCs are infamous for getting the PCV clogged and forcing oil out the rear main. Even the 4.0L has to be watched for that. (air filter gets oil caked otherwise) Each time the pistons move, the engine is breathing in and out of the pan equal to the displacement of the pistons' movement, plus the combusted air/fuel escaping past the rings. "If we ever forget that we're one nation under God, then we will be a nation gone under." - - Ronald Reagan Ben wrote: So... does this mean it's got blow-by pressurizing the oil pan? I thought the oil pan was normally atmospheric. In a message dated 5/22/2006 10:19:04 PM Pacific Daylight Time, carnuck1-at-msn.com writes: hooked to the valve cover with a seperator. _________________________________________________________________ Don^Rt just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 10:32:57 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: RE: fsj: RE: Re: Re: xj: Can someone explain this? a bit more info if you have it... WHICH models are affected, just the ZJ? WHICH DOT directive? Dates? Years affected? I've owned a lot of Jeeps and often get recall notices from the dealerships... Never owned a ZJ and no recalls received on this issue... if you could research this a wee bit we'd all benefit... thanx, john On Tue, 23 May 2006, Jim Blair wrote: > -->The rotors are under defect recall. You can get the whole works replaced > -->under the DOT directive. > --> > -->"If we ever forget that we're one nation under God, then we will be a nation > -->gone under." > --> > -->- Ronald Reagan > --> > -->_________________________________________________________________ > -->Don^Rt just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! > -->http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ > --> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 10:36:51 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: fsj: ZJ only disc brake rotor issue thanx ed... this appears to be ONLY a ZJ issue: Nature of Defect: 1. BRAKES:HYDRAULIC:DISC:ROTOR:DISC HUB Recall Number: 00V136000 Dates Manufactured: JUL 1995 to JUN 1998 Number of Vehicles Affected: 589000 Date Owners Notified On: N/A Vehicle: 1996 Jeep Grand Cherokee Defect Description: Vehicle Description: Passenger and multi-purpose vehicles originally sold or currently registered in the states of Connecticut, Illinois, Indiana, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New York, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, Vermont, or Wisconsin, and the District of Columbia. The front disc brake rotors can experience severe corrosion if operated for an extensive period in the "salt belt." If the rotors are not replaced, the corrosion can eventually compromise the structural integrity of the stamped steel center hub section of the rotor. Consequence of Defect: The reduced strength can allow the cast iron wear surface to separate from the hub, reducing the brake effectiveness of the vehicle. Corrective Action: Dealers will replace these rotors with rotors that are coated with a corrosion protection. On Tue, 23 May 2006, Ed Kummel wrote: >-->I found the recall notice: >--> http://tinyurl.com/fmuc7 >--> It states that the "structural integrity" can be "compromised" on vehicles registered in the "Salt belt"...it lists District of Columbia and Maryland, but this Jeep has lived it's entire live in Virginia...and I do know that we use salt on the roads! >--> And here is an understatement; >--> Consequence of Defect: >-->The reduced strength can allow the cast iron wear surface to separate from the hub, reducing the brake effectiveness of the vehicle. >--> >--> Ed >--> web/gadget guru http://www.edmunds.com/maintenance/recalltsb.do?step=recall&year=1996&make=Jeep&model=Grand+Cherokee&style=4+Dr+Limited+4WD+Wagon&zip=20176&synpartner=edmunds#1 ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 13:49:57 EDT From: Brazzadog-at-aol.com Subject: fsj: Re: Rear main seal Well, that's clear enough. I guess I should save myself some trouble and check the PCV. It seems like I did that when the rear main started leaking, but that was 2 years ago and I also thought I left it with a full tank, which I apparently didn't. Thanks Jim. Ben In a message dated 5/23/2006 9:47:46 AM Pacific Daylight Time, carnuck1-at-msn.com writes: The oil pan gets pressurized by blowby. It's normal in any engine that has some miles on it. The AMCs are infamous for getting the PCV clogged and forcing oil out the rear main. Even the 4.0L has to be watched for that. (air filter gets oil caked otherwise) Each time the pistons move, the engine is breathing in and out of the pan equal to the displacement of the pistons' movement, plus the combusted air/fuel escaping past the rings. "If we ever forget that we're one nation under God, then we will be a nation gone under." - - Ronald Reagan Ben wrote: So... does this mean it's got blow-by pressurizing the oil pan? I thought the oil pan was normally atmospheric. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 22:58:23 EDT From: Brazzadog-at-aol.com Subject: Re: fsj: Rear main seal I checked the PCV valve and it looked fairly new. That inspired me to look in the glove box to see if I'd started a maintenance log when I bought. I couldn't remember because I'd only been driving it a couple of weeks after I bought it when the rear main seal failed. Sure enough a little notebook was in the glovebox and one of the first things I did was put in a new PCV valve and grommet. I guess at 166,000 miles it's due for a new rear main seal. Even though it starts and runs well I'm not sure it's worth putting a rear main seal in. But, it will buy me some time until I can get the spare motor ready to install. I got the "new" carb for the Catalina today so maybe I'll get the Cherokee into the garage before the end of the week. Ben In a message dated 5/23/2006 9:47:46 AM Pacific Daylight Time, carnuck1-at-msn.com writes: The oil pan gets pressurized by blowby. It's normal in any engine that has some miles on it. The AMCs are infamous for getting the PCV clogged and forcing oil out the rear main. Even the 4.0L has to be watched for that. (air filter gets oil caked otherwise) Each time the pistons move, the engine is breathing in and out of the pan equal to the displacement of the pistons' movement, plus the combusted air/fuel escaping past the rings. "If we ever forget that we're one nation under God, then we will be a nation gone under." - - Ronald Reagan Ben wrote: So... does this mean it's got blow-by pressurizing the oil pan? I thought the oil pan was normally atmospheric. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 21:01:02 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: fsj: Rear main seal the last time I had a mechanic replace the seal for me he charged about $250... john On Tue, 23 May 2006 Brazzadog-at-aol.com wrote: >-->I checked the PCV valve and it looked fairly new. That inspired me to look >-->in the glove box to see if I'd started a maintenance log when I bought. I >-->couldn't remember because I'd only been driving it a couple of weeks after I >-->bought it when the rear main seal failed. Sure enough a little notebook was in >-->the glovebox and one of the first things I did was put in a new PCV valve >-->and grommet. I guess at 166,000 miles it's due for a new rear main seal. Even >-->though it starts and runs well I'm not sure it's worth putting a rear main >-->seal in. But, it will buy me some time until I can get the spare motor ready >-->to install. I got the "new" carb for the Catalina today so maybe I'll get >-->the Cherokee into the garage before the end of the week. >--> >-->Ben >--> >-->In a message dated 5/23/2006 9:47:46 AM Pacific Daylight Time, >-->carnuck1-at-msn.com writes: >--> >-->The oil pan gets pressurized by blowby. It's normal in any engine that has >-->some miles on it. The AMCs are infamous for getting the PCV clogged and >-->forcing oil out the rear main. Even the 4.0L has to be watched for that. >-->(air filter gets oil caked otherwise) Each time the pistons move, the engine >-->is breathing in and out of the pan equal to the displacement of the pistons' >--> >-->movement, plus the combusted air/fuel escaping past the rings. >--> >-->"If we ever forget that we're one nation under God, then we will be a nation >--> >-->gone under." >--> >-->- Ronald Reagan >--> >-->Ben wrote: >-->So... does this mean it's got blow-by pressurizing the oil pan? I thought >-->the oil pan was normally atmospheric. >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #2642 **************************