From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Wed Aug 16 22:33:40 2006 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Thursday, August 17 2006 Volume 01 : Number 2687 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: fsj: administrivia: notes on using this list Re: xj: Re: fsj: 4.2/4.0 blending Re: xj: Re: fsj: 4.2/4.0 blending Re: xj: Re: fsj: 4.2/4.0 blending Re: xj: Re: fsj: 4.2/4.0 blending fsj: engines, trans & xfr cases... fsj: the projects of summer... FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 06:15:00 +0000 From: Richard Welty Subject: fsj: administrivia: notes on using this list Digest.Net mailing list "Meta FAQ" These general notes on using Digest.Net mailing lists are posted on the 1st and 15th of each month. This file may be found on the web at http://www.digest.net/general-notes.txt [last revised 5/1/02; removed list of spam strings, as i'm not the only one filtering on them -- rpw] Additional information on Digest.Net's spam policies may be found at http://www.digest.net/email-policy.html and http://www.digest.net/blocked.html Table of Contents 1. Why don't my postings go through? 2. Why can't I unsubscribe? 3. How do I post to the list? 4. Where are the archives? 5. What other lists are on digest.net? 6. Is there a web subscription form? 7. Why not move the lists to someplace like (egroups, topica,...)? 8. How do I contact the server adminstrator in an emergency? 9. What is Krusty Motorsports, anyway? The Meta-FAQ 1. Why don't my postings go through? There are several things that may interfere with postings making it to the list. a) Are you a member? Some read the ftp archives rather than receiving the list in email. 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I am monitoring the logs on the server, and when I see TLS related problems, I manually place the problem destinations on a special exception list; however, this may delay email to the destination host until I make the exception. 2. Why can't I unsubscribe? a) are you using the right address? send to majordomo-at-digest.net, and the command format is unsubscribe list-name my-email-address b) has your email address changed? majordomo has no way of knowing that Fred.Flinstone-at-BarneyCo.com was once fflintstone-at-bedrock.org. you can check this with the which command (see 1.b) above for details) 3. How do I post to the list? You may use either one of two addresses: for example, the bmw-digest may be reached using either bmw-at-digest.net or bmw-digest-at-digest.net If you are using the correct addresses and your posts don't show up, check out the stuff in 1. above. 4. Where are the archives? see ftp://ftp.digest.net/ for digest archives. the web archives have proven problematic, and are awaiting time for a systematic attack on the problems they've been having. 5. What other lists are on digest.net? see http://www.digest.net/ for more information. 6. Is there a web subscription form? Yes, recently added. go to http://www.digest.net/bin/digest-subs.cgi 7. Why not move the lists to someplace like (egroups, topica,...)? The Krusty Motorsports server (aka, digest.net) was explicitly to provide for efficient management of the various automotive mailing lists, done the way that the owner of the server wanted it done. Any migration off of the server (which is already bought, paid for, and configured) would create any number of issues. 8. How do i contact the Server Administrator in an emergency? If my regular email address (rwelty-at-krusty-motorsports.com) isn't working for you, you can fall back on rwelty-at-suespammers.org 9. What is Krusty Motorsports, anyway? Krusty Motorsports (http:/www.krusty-motorsports.com/) is a business which is owned and operated by Richard Welty (rwelty-at-krusty-motorsports.com). Krusty is an S-Corporation in the State of New York. Krusty provides a number of Internet related services, such as mailing list, web sites, pop3/telnet accounts, and consulting on internet related issues. For more information, see the web site. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 09:50:42 -0700 From: "Jim Blair" Subject: Re: xj: Re: fsj: 4.2/4.0 blending A: Let me clear something up (I had to read it twice to understand myself) Putting the head from the 4.0L onto the 4.2L block won't increase the displacement (he means the computer from the 4.0L running the 4.2L's larger size). Putting the 4.0L head on the 4.2L block increases volumetric efficiency so even with the same size combustion chamber, the compression ratio goes up (static ratio is the same, but the rotating engine will draw more air/fuel in due to the higher efficiency laminar{sp?} flow of the 4.0L head) If the motor suffers from ping, then you will need to get the chip reflashed at the dealership to handle a lower spark advance curve. (same one they input for the dealer sold kit to convert 4.2L to HO EFI) From: john Subject: xj: Re: fsj: 4.2/4.0 blending so how about using the 4.0L head with a 4.2L bottom end, '96 injection/intake/exhaust electronics? the displacement will be greater, but probably not enough to lose power/economy, right? john On Mon, 14 Aug 2006, Kevin wrote: >-->On Mon, Aug 14, 2006 at 07:22:38AM -0700, john wrote: >-->> will a '96 4.0 intake manifold fit a '75 4.2L? >-->> -->> I'm thinking I could use all the '96 4.0L hardware on >-->> the '75 4.2L and have a running motor... -->> -->> or were there >advances in the 4.0L that I want to take advantage of? >--> >-->A cheap way to inject a 4.2L jeep was to strip the intake and injection >off >-->a 4.0. --> >-->The main advantage of the 4.0L that you're leaving out is the much >better >-->head. >--> >-->K >- http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 10:00:15 -0700 From: "Jim Blair" Subject: Re: xj: Re: fsj: 4.2/4.0 blending A: Unlike the AMC V8, the 6 cyls do not have a cross flow head. (exhaust on one side and intake on the other) If I'd had a hand in the design that Benny and others at Hesco had done with the new aluminum 4.0L head, I would have tried to convince them to do it. If old man Clifford was still around (RIP) I may have had a chance to work with him (we spoke a bit back in the '70s about Chev inline 6 performance enhancements. I ran a 12 second 194 in a '66 Nova with his cam and a few of my own "enhancements" back when I had machine shop access as a millwright's helper) The Wber John is talking about is already a 2bbl, but a dual 2 bbl or even a 6 pack would work nice (I ran dual Carter BBDs with a home made tube intake with equal runners to all 6 cyls so none were left too lean ) From: john Subject: RE: fsj: RE: Re: xj: 4.2/4.0 blending On Mon, 14 Aug 2006, Tesar Landon-r16884 wrote: >-->My experience is straight 6 should have more than one carb, though the >-->IH SD220 in my backyard would say otherwise, just poking fun, always >-->wondering about combinations of webers available for the 4.0/4.2 and if >-->they help... >--> >-->Are both 4.0 and 4.2 a crossflow head? both are jeeps. ;) not sure what you mean. http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 11:07:14 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: xj: Re: fsj: 4.2/4.0 blending On Tue, 15 Aug 2006, Jim Blair wrote: > -->It will run fine though as we run 4.6L strokers with stock computer. > -->Injectors are upgraded just for extra power. (kind of like how John found > -->out HO injectors make a Renix rig into a tire burner! LOL!) and a gas guzzler... :) and a cat destroyer... was really surprised that with 30x9.5s, 4.10 gears, the HO injectors, high flow cat and renix system in an '88 that I could keep up with a 5.0L mustang... going up hill... at least until aerodynamics started coming into play... :) john ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 20:51:28 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: xj: Re: fsj: 4.2/4.0 blending I'm thinking that using the supposedly good 4.2L, the weber, my original T-5 and NP208 will put Superdawg back on the road quickly... I'll give thought to doing a 4.0L conversion later... but unlikely I'll bother. The whole reason for doing the conversion was to make an economical daily driver... well, that problem is solved with the 6.2L in the Grand Wagoneer! So putting the J10 stepside back to stock with nice GW seats and a beautiful paint job will keep it mostly stock and useful, and a real head turner... :) that and the '92 4.0L is in pieces... and rusting... the '96 was overheated and supposedly knocks... the 4.2L came out running with the carb setup wrong and was rebuilt less than a year ago... knowing how much is involved in a retrofit I'm hoping to get Curtis unburied and my trucks back in Snohomish. :) When my shop crane shows up at the house I'll extract the 4.0Ls and prep the 4.2L for a trip to Centralia. :) john On Tue, 15 Aug 2006, Jim Blair wrote: > -->A: Unlike the AMC V8, the 6 cyls do not have a cross flow head. (exhaust on > -->one side and intake on the other) If I'd had a hand in the design that Benny > -->and others at Hesco had done with the new aluminum 4.0L head, I would have > -->tried to convince them to do it. If old man Clifford was still around (RIP) > -->I may have had a chance to work with him (we spoke a bit back in the '70s > -->about Chev inline 6 performance enhancements. I ran a 12 second 194 in a '66 > -->Nova with his cam and a few of my own "enhancements" back when I had machine > -->shop access as a millwright's helper) > --> The Wber John is talking about is already a 2bbl, but a dual 2 bbl or even > -->a 6 pack would work nice (I ran dual Carter BBDs with a home made tube > -->intake with equal runners to all 6 cyls so none were left too lean ) > --> > --> > -->From: john > -->Subject: RE: fsj: RE: Re: xj: 4.2/4.0 blending > --> > -->On Mon, 14 Aug 2006, Tesar Landon-r16884 wrote: > --> > -->> --> My experience is straight 6 should have more than one carb, > -->> --> though the > -->> --> IH SD220 in my backyard would say otherwise, just poking fun, > -->> --> always > -->> --> wondering about combinations of webers available for the 4.0/4.2 > -->> --> and if > -->> --> they help... > -->> --> > -->> --> Are both 4.0 and 4.2 a crossflow head? > --> > -->both are jeeps. ;) > --> > -->not sure what you mean. > --> > -->http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ > --> > --> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 21:21:43 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: fsj: engines, trans & xfr cases... Ok, sorted out the final drive config for my collection. '91 GW - 6.2L Diesel, 700R4, NP219 (or NP208 or ???) '83 J10 stepside - 4.2L weber, T-5, NP219 (or NP208) '48 CJ-2A 2.0L, T-90, Spicer 18 That means I have the following items for sale in Washington state, delivery possible: (located in Snohomish, WA, except with *, then in Centralia) FOR SALE: - --------------------------------------------- $50 - 1948 - T90 - won't stay in 2nd gear, main gear teeth shows damage - works - --------------------------------------------- $50 - Novak Adapter for Ford Engine to Jeep T-90 - --------------------------------------------- $100 - 1983 - 4.2L 258 - bad rings on #2, apx 130k (out of Superdawg) * - --------------------------------------------- $350 - 1989 - AW4/NP231 combo out of good running XJ - --------------------------------------------- $350 - 1996 - AW4 (flex plate, computer, linkage and tc) * - --------------------------------------------- $500 - 1991 - 5.9L 360 - apx 130k - excellent running condition (out of Omega) * - --------------------------------------------- $50 - 1991 - TF727 - needs to be rebuilt (out of Omega) * - --------------------------------------------- $450 - 1991 - NP229 - excellent condition (out of Omega) * - --------------------------------------------- $50 - 1992 - 4.0L - apx 160k - bad #6 piston/rings - rebuildable - disassembled - --------------------------------------------- $250 - 1996 - 4.0L - was overheated, uncertain condition, was running - --------------------------------------------- $200 - 1996 - 4.0L engine and xj wiring harness and computer - --------------------------------------------- Will sell both TH400's and ring for $300 - email to split out... - --------------------------------------------- BPO ring (buick/pontiac/olds) for Dauntless 225 or 350 +others... TH400 - universal case - unknown - believed to be good TH400/Dana 20 - universal case - was out of running 327 setup - --------------------------------------------- email dieseljohn at comcast.net or this email... john ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 22:32:38 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: fsj: the projects of summer... summer is almost over, but I'm making progress on at least one project... :) http://wagoneers.com/Willys/48-CJ-2A/12Aug06-top/ the '48 cj-2a could see use within a week or two... hope to finish the T-90 swap saturday, and have insurance... :) the '91 GW is still a hopeful for the end of September... heading down over Labor Day to drop off the engine for SuperDawg and to retrieve some of the larger parts and tools that won't be used... The '91 GW is getting a 6.2L Diesel, 700R4 and hopefully an NP219. End of September is the plan... Superdawg, the '83 J10 stepside, has had a variety of plans over the last five years... the original plan in 2001 was to swap in the '96 4.0L engine, AW4 and so on... but things got delayed until 2002... then 2003, then 2004, then 2005, and now, late in 2006... engines have ranged from the 4.0 to the 6.2, with a brief intermission of a 5.9, then 4.0, then 4.2... At this point I have a good 4.2L with a new Weber carb... it's a no cost solution to getting the J10 reassembled and on the road. So basically I'm putting the original driveline back in the Dawg with a really nice paint job and maybe an NP219. It'll get the Grand Wagoneer leather seats out of the '91 and the '91 GW will get the WJ seats out of my '99 WJ. (the cloth ones). So the fleet is sorted out, not that it won't change if someone else gives me an engine, transmission, rebuild kit, Jeepster, Wagoneer or Cherokee... :) I'm going to go with what is available. It's not that I'm changing my mind, it's that new opportunities present themselves and they are better than what the original plan was. Y'all think I'm providing entertainment, nope, that's not the plan. The plan is to make the best of what I've got. If y'all think it's because I can't make up my mind, well, go ahead and think that, and pass the popcorn. ;) current fleet: '91 300D, 2.5L TD, needs nothing, working great... but when the '91 Grand Wagoneer is running on Waste Vegetable Oil out of it's auxillary tank it'll be parked... and probably sold. '99 WJ 4.7L V8 Grand Cherokee Laredo... only thing it needs is the door stop replaced... runs and drives great... love it. if it had the visibilty of the GW it would be perfect. 18 mpg at 75 mph in the Rockies is pretty dang reasonable. only 15 or so in town... '48 Cj-2A, 2.0L, T90, Spicer 18. almost ready... '75 J10 hydraulic dump trailer... will try to keep along with the J10. ;) coming soon: '91 Grand Wagoneer, 6.2L Diesel, 700r4, NP219???, aux tank with WVO! '83 J10 stepside, 4.2L, T-5, NP219? - root beer brown metallic john ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #2687 **************************