From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Thu Sep 21 10:44:43 2006 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Thursday, September 21 2006 Volume 01 : Number 2704 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: fsj: Who wants a 6 speend manual trans? (not mine!) Re: fsj: Who wants a 6 speend manual trans? (not mine!) fsj: I think we need a reality check... Re: fsj: I think we need a reality check... fsj: Re: I think we need a reality check... fsj: Re: I think we need a reality check... FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 10:28:05 -0700 From: "Jim Blair" Subject: fsj: Who wants a 6 speend manual trans? (not mine!) http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/06-RUBICON-6-SP-MANUAL-TRANSMISSION-Tranny-WRANGLER-TJ_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ33733QQihZ015QQitemZ250028075335QQrdZ1 item 250028075335 (not mine!) _________________________________________________________________ Share your special moments by uploading 500 photos per month to Windows Live Spaces http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwsp0070000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://www.get.live.com/spaces/features ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 10:44:10 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: fsj: Who wants a 6 speend manual trans? (not mine!) very tempting... would be nice for superdawg... but then I'd have to rebuild one of my 4.0s... sticking with the 4.2/5spd/208 stock setup with a weber carb, putting all my goodies into omega the '91 gw that's getting the 6.2L. superdawg will be mostly stock... john On Wed, 20 Sep 2006, Jim Blair wrote: > -->http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/06-RUBICON-6-SP-MANUAL-TRANSMISSION-Tranny-WRANGLER-TJ_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ33733QQihZ015QQitemZ250028075335QQrdZ1 > --> > -->item 250028075335 > --> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 15:17:56 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: fsj: I think we need a reality check... check this out: Offbeat News Wednesday, Sept. 20, 2006 Calif. sues 6 carmakers over greenhouse gases SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - California filed suit against Ford Motor Co., General Motors Corp., Toyota Motor Corp. and three other carmakers on Wednesday, charging that greenhouse gases from their vehicles have cost the state millions of dollars. State Attorney General Bill Lockyer said the lawsuit filed in U.S. District Court in Northern California was the first of its kind to seek to hold manufacturers liable for the damages caused by their vehicles' emissions. The lawsuit also names Chrysler Motors Corp., the U.S. arm of Germany's DaimlerChrysler, and the North American units of Honda Motor Co. and Nissan Motor Co. Ltd. http://my.netscape.com/corewidgets/news/story.psp?cat=50900&id=2006092013200002493097 ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 23:34:06 CDT From: Dan Black Subject: Re: fsj: I think we need a reality check... john said: {- State Attorney General Bill Lockyer said the lawsuit filed in U.S. District {- Court in Northern California was the first of its kind to seek to hold manuf {- acturers liable for the damages caused by their vehicles' emissions. Then that means I can sue California for costing me more money by forcing the car manufacturers to meet higher emissions standards the last couple decades. Everything's based on whether it can meet California emissions regulations. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Most people use statistics the way a drunk uses a lamp post. More for support than illumination. -- Mark Twain - -------------- Dan Black ------------------------- dan-at-black.org -------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 23:14:38 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: fsj: Re: I think we need a reality check... thinking about this, this lawsuit could expose some of the weakness in these arguments... we simply do not have enough data to understand if there really is global warming or if this is just part of a normal meterological cylce. We have what, 100, 150 years of data? What's that in relation to the percentage of time according to your world view? this is chicken little territory, more emotion than fact. wild speculation with an agenda. what are the real facts? let's hope the auto industry employs real scientists to deal with this logically instead of emotionally. john On Wed, 20 Sep 2006, Ed Kummel wrote: >-->Didn't we already have a lawsuit like this...and it failed? It was the fat person suing McDonalds for serving food that would make him fat... >--> >--> Ed >--> web/gadget guru >--> >-->john wrote: >--> check this out: >--> >-->Offbeat News >-->Wednesday, Sept. 20, 2006 >-->Calif. sues 6 carmakers over greenhouse gases >--> >--> >--> >--> >-->SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - California filed suit against Ford Motor Co., General Motors Corp., Toyota Motor Corp. and three other carmakers on Wednesday, charging that greenhouse gases from their vehicles have cost the state millions of dollars. >--> >-->State Attorney General Bill Lockyer said the lawsuit filed in U.S. District Court in Northern California was the first of its kind to seek to hold manufacturers liable for the damages caused by their vehicles' emissions. >--> >-->The lawsuit also names Chrysler Motors Corp., the U.S. arm of Germany's DaimlerChrysler, and the North American units of Honda Motor Co. and Nissan Motor Co. 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Small Business. >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 10:42:41 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: fsj: Re: I think we need a reality check... interesting blog, http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/?p=2296 thanx... the current "world view" of many does reflect an agenda... we don't always see it so clearly... they're subtle, most of the time... the other thought raised in this blog is the idea of conspiracies... you know like so and so was on the grassy knoll, or that the evil corporations killed off 100mpg cars or that the government planned the attack on the twin towers (dang, most of our government workers can't seem to figure out basic stuff, and we expect them to concoct some evil plan and hide their evidence???), or that there is some secret society that intends to take over the world... folks have to realize that people simply aren't that smart... we must remember Ockham's Razor (or Occam's razor)... "Pluralitas non est ponenda sine neccesitate" or "plurality should not be posited without necessity." which also translates as ``entities should not be multiplied unnecessarily''. Bottom line: the simplest or most obvious explanation of several competing ones is the one that should be preferred until it is proven wrong. john On Thu, 21 Sep 2006, chuck goolsbee wrote: This isn't about science at all. The key here is that science acknowledges that it doesn't know what actually happens, readily accepts alternate theories, and when the leading theory is debunked it is celebrated and nobody gets burned at the stake. That's the difference between blind belief and educated belief. Educated believers are willing to be challenged, and accept anything that has sufficient evidence. The processes involved in change that happens over millennia, be they issues of climate, changes in biological stucture, or even the geological makeup of the planet, cannot be observed accurately and totally by a single human observer, and cannot be reproduced in a laboratory. It is pointless therefore to use scientific theory about these long-term phenomena to advance political adgendas. By all means these things should be studied, theories and postulations thought, taught, discussed and argued - in the scientific realm. NOT in the political realm however. The best commentary I have seen on the subject, without the shrill political voices normally associated with such debate, is here: http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/?p=2296 Farago points out quite well the (unintended) consequences that face the anti-car line of political thought. - -- - --chuck goolsbee 02 Jetta TDi & 06 Liberty CRD arlington, wa, usa ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #2704 **************************