From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Sun Oct 15 22:18:56 2006 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Monday, October 16 2006 Volume 01 : Number 2721 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: fsj: Wanted: 'cheap v8' near tulsa, oklahoma fsj: administrivia: notes on using this list fsj: '97-'01 Cherokee steering shaft, similar to XJ? Re: fsj: '97-'01 Cherokee steering shaft, similar to XJ? fsj: transmissions, was XJ or WJ? fsj: RE: transmissions, was XJ or WJ? FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2006 21:55:32 -0700 From: "Jim Blair" Subject: fsj: Wanted: 'cheap v8' near tulsa, oklahoma http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=516296&goto=newpost _________________________________________________________________ Find a local pizza place, music store, museum and more^Ethen map the best route! http://local.live.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 06:15:00 +0000 From: Richard Welty Subject: fsj: administrivia: notes on using this list Digest.Net mailing list "Meta FAQ" These general notes on using Digest.Net mailing lists are posted on the 1st and 15th of each month. This file may be found on the web at http://www.digest.net/general-notes.txt [last revised 5/1/02; removed list of spam strings, as i'm not the only one filtering on them -- rpw] Additional information on Digest.Net's spam policies may be found at http://www.digest.net/email-policy.html and http://www.digest.net/blocked.html Table of Contents 1. Why don't my postings go through? 2. Why can't I unsubscribe? 3. How do I post to the list? 4. Where are the archives? 5. What other lists are on digest.net? 6. Is there a web subscription form? 7. Why not move the lists to someplace like (egroups, topica,...)? 8. How do I contact the server adminstrator in an emergency? 9. What is Krusty Motorsports, anyway? The Meta-FAQ 1. Why don't my postings go through? There are several things that may interfere with postings making it to the list. a) Are you a member? Some read the ftp archives rather than receiving the list in email. Persons who read the list via email are automatically members, but readers of the FTP archive are not, and need to contact me (rwelty-at-krusty-motorsports.com) and get your name added to the list of "permitted senders". b) has your email address changed? some of you have had changes in your email address. your old address still works, and is still on the list, but your From: line shows a new address. this can happen for various reasons; you may have changed jobs or ISPs, and left a forward in place, or your IT staff may have fiddled with the email system. you will need to unsubscribe your old email address and subscribe the new one. this may require my involvement, if you can't figure out a way to get your old address off the list using the conventional majordomo commands. you can use the majordomo "which" command to probe for old addresses. send a message to majordomo-at-digest.net with one or more which commands in the body, one per line. to check for potential addresses for Fred Flinstone, formerly of bedrock.org, the following commands can be sent: which flintstone which bedrock note that the matches above might return any of the following addresses, if they appear in the list (in other words, you can use vagueness and incompleteness in your recollection as a tool): Fred.Flinstone-at-bedrock.org fflinstone-at-wilma.bedrock.org flintstonef-at-bedrock.com c) do you have more than one email address? if so, only the subscribed addresses can post, unless you contact me (see 1.a) above for relevant information) d) are you using (intentionally or accidentially) special "features" of your mail client? [this section is no longer operative, as the demime software now strips html, attachments, rich text format, etc. from postings automatically.] e) are your posts too large? there is a 10,000 character limit on posting sizes; this is done for various reasons. you can always split up large postings to get mail through. f) are you including majordomo commands at the start of your message? administrivia control is turned on; this is a trap for things like "unsubscribe" at the start of a message. try to avoid obvious majordomo commands in the subject and the first 10 lines, or misspell them in obvious ways (e.g. unzubscribe, 1ndex, h3lp, g3t, etc.) g) are you triggering spam traps? some things are red flags; for example, many phrases found commonly in spam are automatically blocked. h) are you using "funky" character sets? [7 bit restriction lifted experimentally on 8/2/00 -- film at 11] unfortunately, there are "issues" if i permit any character set other than old fashioned 7 level ASCII; therefore, you need to avoid national character sets that include various accents, umlauts, national currency characters such as the British pound symbol, etc. i) are you unintentionally including complete digests in your reply? You need to check and make sure you cut down replys to the minimal size; digests are between 20,000 and 25,000 characters in length, and if you include a complete digest in your reply, it clearly won't make the 10,000 character limit. By the way, this feature is intentional. j) Are you using a "bad" ISP or mail relay? See http://www.digest.net/email-policy.html for more information about Digest.Net policies about email. k) Is the error message you get back "User Unknown"? If so, you may be running afoul of spam control severices (again, see http://www.digest.net/email-policy.html) When these services register a hit, the error code 550 is returned. 550 is a generic code that many broken mail systems report as "user unknown". The "rejectlog" entries for the previous day's mail traffic on digest.net may be viewed at http://www.digest.net/rejectlog.01 Some of you may find it useful or instructive to use the telnet program to connect directly to port 25 on krusty-motorsports.com and see what kind of reply you get; this requires some technical knowledge and is not for everyone (you can get out of this at anytime after the initial banner simply by typing quit and hitting enter.) l) Is SMTP over TLS involved? This is a bit esoteric, but as of 8/8/01 the digest.net mail server will attempt to use "TLS" (Transport Layer Security) for outbound mail if the destination mail server offers it. SMTP over TLS is fairly new technology, and a bit buggy. I am monitoring the logs on the server, and when I see TLS related problems, I manually place the problem destinations on a special exception list; however, this may delay email to the destination host until I make the exception. 2. Why can't I unsubscribe? a) are you using the right address? send to majordomo-at-digest.net, and the command format is unsubscribe list-name my-email-address b) has your email address changed? majordomo has no way of knowing that Fred.Flinstone-at-BarneyCo.com was once fflintstone-at-bedrock.org. you can check this with the which command (see 1.b) above for details) 3. How do I post to the list? You may use either one of two addresses: for example, the bmw-digest may be reached using either bmw-at-digest.net or bmw-digest-at-digest.net If you are using the correct addresses and your posts don't show up, check out the stuff in 1. above. 4. Where are the archives? see ftp://ftp.digest.net/ for digest archives. the web archives have proven problematic, and are awaiting time for a systematic attack on the problems they've been having. 5. What other lists are on digest.net? see http://www.digest.net/ for more information. 6. Is there a web subscription form? Yes, recently added. go to http://www.digest.net/bin/digest-subs.cgi 7. Why not move the lists to someplace like (egroups, topica,...)? The Krusty Motorsports server (aka, digest.net) was explicitly to provide for efficient management of the various automotive mailing lists, done the way that the owner of the server wanted it done. Any migration off of the server (which is already bought, paid for, and configured) would create any number of issues. 8. How do i contact the Server Administrator in an emergency? If my regular email address (rwelty-at-krusty-motorsports.com) isn't working for you, you can fall back on rwelty-at-suespammers.org 9. What is Krusty Motorsports, anyway? Krusty Motorsports (http:/www.krusty-motorsports.com/) is a business which is owned and operated by Richard Welty (rwelty-at-krusty-motorsports.com). Krusty is an S-Corporation in the State of New York. Krusty provides a number of Internet related services, such as mailing list, web sites, pop3/telnet accounts, and consulting on internet related issues. For more information, see the web site. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 06:16:17 -0700 (PDT) From: elliott sydnam Subject: fsj: '97-'01 Cherokee steering shaft, similar to XJ? I'm looking at this for a possible swap to attach a GM column with the Double D fitting to Saginaw steering box in a FSJ. I know the XJ shafts can be used, but I don't know if the later Cherokee shafts would work as the upper end of the joint might be splined. 1) Is it a splined fitting where it attaches to the column or a 1" Double D like the earlier '84-'94 XJ shaft? If it's splined, disregard the next two questions. 2) Would the lower end fit an XJ/FSJ steering box? 3) Can you tell me the length, collapsed and expanded? TIA, Elliott Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 14:28:30 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: fsj: '97-'01 Cherokee steering shaft, similar to XJ? going to forward this to the xj list... I would think all things are possible with a torch and a welder... be careful of damaging the metal or making it brittle... research this a bit... making a mistake in this department is quite serious. look to the wisdom of a good 4x4 custom shop, and custom rod builders... john On Sun, 15 Oct 2006, elliott sydnam wrote: >-->I'm looking at this for a possible swap to attach a GM >-->column with the Double D fitting to Saginaw steering >-->box in a FSJ. I know the XJ shafts can be used, but I >-->don't know if the later Cherokee shafts would work as >-->the upper end of the joint might be splined. >--> >-->1) Is it a splined fitting where it attaches to the >-->column or a 1" Double D like the earlier '84-'94 XJ >-->shaft? If it's splined, disregard the next two >-->questions. >--> >-->2) Would the lower end fit an XJ/FSJ steering box? >--> >-->3) Can you tell me the length, collapsed and expanded? >--> >-->TIA, >-->Elliott >-->Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >-->http://mail.yahoo.com >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 21:36:10 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: fsj: transmissions, was XJ or WJ? On Sun, 15 Oct 2006, Jim Blair wrote: > -->There is a great reason for the not caring for a 4.0L WJ. The trans SUCKS > -->25% more power than an AW4. serious? the 42RE is bad news then? They still seem better than the automatics installed in the ZJs. Can you provide a little bit more info as to why the 42RE is less efficient than an AW4 (Aisin Warner 30-80LE)? Any issues with the 45RFE? I've heard nothing good about them, and this is my 2nd WJ with one... the 45RFE in the V8 WJ seems to be superb though... with amsoil synthetics throughout my WJ we got 21.3 mpg with the v8 WJ (45RFE). We only saw about 18mpg on parts of the trip but the temps were triple digits, speed was 75 mph and of course the AC was on full blast... not to mention we weaved in and out of the Rockies... Glacier, Yellowstone, etc. FWIW, they use the 44RE in the 3.1L Turbo Diesel models in Europe... Man, would I love to have a Diesel powered WJ. The WK is NOT something that attracts me. They ruined the appearance and the basic Jeep aspect of them by going with independent front suspension... that kills your ground clearance on a trail... - ---------- This is the 2000 Cherokee I looked at today... http://wagoneers.com/XJ/rigs/2000-Freedom/ there are still about 5 or 6 nice XJs to look at in my budget if my '91 300D does sell... it's always fun to look... Or... there is the remote possibility that my '91 Grand Wagoneer will be finished within a few weeks and we'll suffer along without wheels for the time being... After driving a WJ, then a Mercedes, then an XJ, I'm really thinking that the Grand Wagoneer will be "just right". :) Anyone with a late model XJ, is the steering "heavy"? I wonder if the newer 4.0L's have a different steering pump. My '99 WJ with the 4.0L seemed to have heavy steering too. My '87 XJ was a breeze to navigate at low speeds in tight places... the '99 WJ with the V8 is a little heavier than my benz, but still lighter than this 2000 XJ. This was a nice clean unit... if all the planets line up just right, it might be #12 (see: http://JohnMeister.com/johns-vehicles.html ) I'm beginning to remember why I had an FSJ again... it's been five long years without one... :) john ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 22:13:26 -0700 From: "Jim Blair" Subject: fsj: RE: transmissions, was XJ or WJ? The 42RE IS the same trans used in ZJs with minor upgrades to make them live a little longer. (they still drop at an alarming rate) The converter used by Mopar has a higher stall and more slippage than the AW4 trans. Lots of the power that goes into the trans is lost in heat energy. 45RFE was built stronger (intentionally) than the 42RE but they are still a 100,000 mile trans in normal use. Everything I have read and discussed with shops points to the AW4 being stronger (than the 42RE) more efficient (both fuel and thermal) and they have more longevity with just average maintenance. Lexus still runs a similar design behind their turbo V8s, but it's now a 6 speed automatic. Jim Blair, Seattle, WA '84 J10 Black Jack (getting lifted and stroked!), '73 J4000 304/TH400/QT tow truck http://www.virtualjeep.com AMC list subscription options link http://www.amxfiles.com/amc-list/options.cfm On Sun, 15 Oct 2006, Jim Blair wrote: >-->There is a great reason for the not caring for a 4.0L WJ. The trans SUCKS >-->25% more power than an AW4. serious? the 42RE is bad news then? They still seem better than the automatics installed in the ZJs. Can you provide a little bit more info as to why the 42RE is less efficient than an AW4 (Aisin Warner 30-80LE)? Any issues with the 45RFE? I've heard nothing good about them, and this is my 2nd WJ with one... the 45RFE in the V8 WJ seems to be superb though... with amsoil synthetics throughout my WJ we got 21.3 mpg with the v8 WJ (45RFE). We only saw about 18mpg on parts of the trip but the temps were triple digits, speed was 75 mph and of course the AC was on full blast... not to mention we weaved in and out of the Rockies... Glacier, Yellowstone, etc. _________________________________________________________________ Add a Yahoo! contact to Windows Live Messenger for a chance to win a free trip! http://www.imagine-windowslive.com/minisites/yahoo/default.aspx?locale=en-us&hmtagline ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #2721 **************************