From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Mon Oct 23 22:06:21 2006 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Tuesday, October 24 2006 Volume 01 : Number 2728 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: fsj: parts - snohomish & centralia Re: fsj: RE: RE: using quantitative methods to decide... Re: fsj: RE: RE: using quantitative methods to decide... RE: fsj: RE: RE: using quantitative methods to decide... RE: fsj: RE: RE: using quantitative methods to decide... Re: fsj: RE: RE: using quantitative methods to decide... fsj: Re: RE: using quantitative methods to decide... fsj: POPCORN READY? RE: fsj: POPCORN READY? RE: fsj: POPCORN READY? 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Uh oh! Looks like Kevin will be in need of the T5 John has! LOL! I'd do Redline MTL in the trans to make it shift nicer. I run points in my J4000 still with a Mopar ('77 ish) electronic ignition coil (NAPA #IC12SB). As soon as gas hits the cyls when I crank it over, it lights right up. On the 6 cyl however, unless you want to do the XJ EFI conversion, I would do the GM inline 6 cyl HEI dist (with an AMC V8 drive gear swapped on) from -at-'77 vintage 250 or 292. One with coil in cap is tidier, but external coil works too. You might want to pack a spare filter (I usually do, but I used mine last trip I made to the cabin. All the gravel road bouncing sent clumps of dirt up my fuel line. My own fault. I drain the gas from rigs I scrap out and add it to my tank rather than waste it unless it's become turpentine) If I'd had one last night (along with my little tool box I usually have, which I forgot in the MJ) Brian could have driven his AMC Spirit home rather than have me tow him with the J4000. I blew out most of the filter crud (bad part is it came out of the carb side of the filter!) and between tiny flakes of rust, there was a big pile of rubber fuel line particles. I had to bang the filter around a bit to flush enough crud out to make it usable enough to run the car, but some of the crud was clogging the needle and seat. (and I had a 1/2" but I didn't have a 9/16" wrench in my truck. I didn't even have the requisite vise grips!) We got his car back home, and I loosened the needle and seat off, cleaned them out and put gas directly into the carb (had Brian turn his motor over 1/2 a turn and spritzed some gas straight from the fuel line into the hole where the needle and seat go then reinstalled the needle and seat) and it lit right up after a couple turns. I could tell he needed the float level adjusted and a few other adjustments to his 4.2L. They put the IC12SB coil on (got rid of the stupid horseshoe connector) and except for a bit of idle roughness (which we will attend to during daylight hours) it ran pretty good. Tonight the '73 J4000 will make a trip to the cabin to drop off a bed (wrapped in plastic to keep it from getting moldy I hope!) and tow back the '92 Grand Voyager I hope to get rid of this week. It's in dire need of a master cyl (the brake booster is full of fluid and the smoke when I start it up is nas-ty!) Jim Blair, Seattle, WA '84 J10 Black Jack (getting lifted and stroked!), '73 J4000 304/TH400/QT tow truck http://www.virtualjeep.com AMC list subscription options link http://www.amxfiles.com/amc-list/options.cfm On Sun, Oct 22, 2006 at 08:24:24PM -0700, john wrote: >no that is funny... glad you made it back ok. > >so, based on that I should make sure that my '91 GW does NOT have >an ignition module... > >shouldn't be a problem. :) OR just run points. Spare points are smaller to carry than spare fuel filters and anti-gel and MAP torches for heating the block. :) FWIW, the new cherokee (well, it's an 83) made the jaunt from the bay area up to gold country with no major problems. Only used seven gallons for the trip, which is just a teense shy of 20 mpg. Probably can use a little fiddling under the hood - was a teense anemic in the hills and got warm when you really belted it. It only leaks oil for now, so it hasn't quite attained the rolling superfund site status the other two have. The T-5 has tired syncros in third and fourth, but otherwise seems fine. The gold eagle wagon has the same transmission in a much greater state of decay, so I know I have some time with this one. K _________________________________________________________________ Stay in touch with old friends and meet new ones with Windows Live Spaces http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwsp0070000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=create&wx_url=/friends.aspx&mkt=en-us ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 08:07:52 -0700 From: "Jim Blair" Subject: Re: fsj: RE: RE: using quantitative methods to decide... PS: I suggest at least doing the timing cover and cam button bolt from a 4.0L to avoid cam walk! _________________________________________________________________ Find a local pizza place, music store, museum and more^Ethen map the best route! http://local.live.com?FORM=MGA001 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 08:10:55 -0700 From: "Tesar Landon-r16884" Subject: RE: fsj: RE: RE: using quantitative methods to decide... "...I could tell he needed the float level adjusted and a few other adjustments to his 4.2L..." Now I'm impressed. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-fsj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-fsj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of Jim Blair Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 9:48 AM To: kevin-at-mordred.punk.net; john-at-wagoneers.com Cc: fsj-at-digest.net Subject: Re: fsj: RE: RE: using quantitative methods to decide... Uh oh! Looks like Kevin will be in need of the T5 John has! LOL! I'd do Redline MTL in the trans to make it shift nicer. I run points in my J4000 still with a Mopar ('77 ish) electronic ignition coil (NAPA #IC12SB). As soon as gas hits the cyls when I crank it over, it lights right up. On the 6 cyl however, unless you want to do the XJ EFI conversion, I would do the GM inline 6 cyl HEI dist (with an AMC V8 drive gear swapped on) from -at-'77 vintage 250 or 292. One with coil in cap is tidier, but external coil works too. You might want to pack a spare filter (I usually do, but I used mine last trip I made to the cabin. All the gravel road bouncing sent clumps of dirt up my fuel line. My own fault. I drain the gas from rigs I scrap out and add it to my tank rather than waste it unless it's become turpentine) If I'd had one last night (along with my little tool box I usually have, which I forgot in the MJ) Brian could have driven his AMC Spirit home rather than have me tow him with the J4000. I blew out most of the filter crud (bad part is it came out of the carb side of the filter!) and between tiny flakes of rust, there was a big pile of rubber fuel line particles. I had to bang the filter around a bit to flush enough crud out to make it usable enough to run the car, but some of the crud was clogging the needle and seat. (and I had a 1/2" but I didn't have a 9/16" wrench in my truck. I didn't even have the requisite vise grips!) We got his car back home, and I loosened the needle and seat off, cleaned them out and put gas directly into the carb (had Brian turn his motor over 1/2 a turn and spritzed some gas straight from the fuel line into the hole where the needle and seat go then reinstalled the needle and seat) and it lit right up after a couple turns. I could tell he needed the float level adjusted and a few other adjustments to his 4.2L. They put the IC12SB coil on (got rid of the stupid horseshoe connector) and except for a bit of idle roughness (which we will attend to during daylight hours) it ran pretty good. Tonight the '73 J4000 will make a trip to the cabin to drop off a bed (wrapped in plastic to keep it from getting moldy I hope!) and tow back the '92 Grand Voyager I hope to get rid of this week. It's in dire need of a master cyl (the brake booster is full of fluid and the smoke when I start it up is nas-ty!) Jim Blair, Seattle, WA '84 J10 Black Jack (getting lifted and stroked!), '73 J4000 304/TH400/QT tow truck http://www.virtualjeep.com AMC list subscription options link http://www.amxfiles.com/amc-list/options.cfm On Sun, Oct 22, 2006 at 08:24:24PM -0700, john wrote: >no that is funny... glad you made it back ok. > >so, based on that I should make sure that my '91 GW does NOT have >an ignition module... > >shouldn't be a problem. :) OR just run points. Spare points are smaller to carry than spare fuel filters and anti-gel and MAP torches for heating the block. :) FWIW, the new cherokee (well, it's an 83) made the jaunt from the bay area up to gold country with no major problems. Only used seven gallons for the trip, which is just a teense shy of 20 mpg. Probably can use a little fiddling under the hood - was a teense anemic in the hills and got warm when you really belted it. It only leaks oil for now, so it hasn't quite attained the rolling superfund site status the other two have. The T-5 has tired syncros in third and fourth, but otherwise seems fine. The gold eagle wagon has the same transmission in a much greater state of decay, so I know I have some time with this one. K _________________________________________________________________ Stay in touch with old friends and meet new ones with Windows Live Spaces http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwsp0070000001msn/direct/01/?href=http:/ /spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=create&wx_url=/friends.aspx&mk t=en-us ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 08:19:47 -0700 From: "Jim Blair" Subject: RE: fsj: RE: RE: using quantitative methods to decide... It's easy to tell from the sound of an AMC 6 cyl what needs tweaking to get it right. With the aircleaner off, the noise from the carb throat should be evenly hissing. Any splutter means the flaot is too high and a quick look down the top while it's idling confirmed bits of fuel are coming from the annulus ring now and then. Sluggish take off and the "note" (to me a tune up really does have to do with music!) being too low when the motor "sings" means timing needs advancing. (It has the feedback BBD, so it takes a few tweaks to get it right as the knock sensor retards timing any time it "hears" noise that is like a ping. IE: lifters clicking, but that never happens in an AMC 6! ;^) "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -Teddy Roosevelt "...I could tell he needed the float level adjusted and a few other adjustments to his 4.2L..." Now I'm impressed. _________________________________________________________________ Try the next generation of search with Windows Live Search today! http://imagine-windowslive.com/minisites/searchlaunch/?locale=en-us&source=hmtagline ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 15:40:38 +0000 From: "michel balea" Subject: Re: fsj: RE: RE: using quantitative methods to decide... points are a drag, i went pointless w the pertronix, has 70,000 miles on it... , runs a lot quieter too... the kids thought that i swapped the engine..... later this year i upgraded to the TFI coil..... w the gm distributor on the 74... it starts even better of course you can go HEI, .... Michel 74 wag From: Kevin OR just run points. Spare points are smaller to carry _________________________________________________________________ Try the next generation of search with Windows Live Search today! http://imagine-windowslive.com/minisites/searchlaunch/?locale=en-us&source=hmtagline ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 10:20:08 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: fsj: Re: RE: using quantitative methods to decide... all of these decisions ARE based on math... cost of operation, load capacity, handling, my limited resources, etc. ...but then in steps my wonderful bride and says something like: - you're NOT having four Jeeps (ok, agreed, that makes CENTS ;) - don't sell the car that gets 30mpg (yet she won't drive it, says something about her knees hitting the steering wheel, (she's not THAT tall... ;) - that is an ugly (rambo, superdawg, old wagoneer, etc.) - I'm NOT driving that thing, it's OLD, I don't trust it, I'm NOT going to be seen in THAT, it gets my clothes dirty, etc. - I don't want a Mercedes, I want MY Jeep. (the WJ is HER Jeep) so, IF there is emotion involved, it's not mine. :) However, after 31 years I listen to the voice of reason and stability. She's a class act and has done an excellent job of keeping me out of trouble and has been quite patient with me. :) The fact that she likes the little flat fender has been an added bonus. Get the POPCORN ready... with the '98 xj out of the equation I've got some ideas... :) I think I can help clean up the driveway... separate email coming... :) john On Mon, 23 Oct 2006, Jim Hoffman wrote: >-->Well, I still don't think it's quantifiable because of the >-->emotional part of guys owning vehicles. But that aside >-->you still hit the nail on the head... "NOT EQUAL TO"! ;) >--> >-->And I didn't need a spreadsheet to figure that out ;) >--> >-->Jim >--> >-->> yeah, and that's quantifiable... ;) >-->> >-->> >-->> hence the dilema... want one vehicle for me, but it >-->> needs to be economical, and capable of towing 4,500lbs... >-->> >-->> I guess the math is simple... NOT EQUAL TO... :) >-->> >-->> I'm thinking that keeping the Benz makes a lot of practical >-->> sense... it's economy and reliability are overwhelming... >-->> >-->> I want an FSJ to drive... with a Diesel... I have one Diesel >-->> and two FSJs... have a good 360/4.2 and 6.2, a good 700r4, >-->> a good t-5 and a good AW4... an automatic in both FSJs is >-->> preferred. >-->> >-->> >-->> thinking this through right now... >-->> >-->> oh, btw, the '98 xj didn't work out... would have been nice... >-->> last I heard is the guy accepted his friend's offer over mine. >-->> solves a LOT of problems for me though. :) >-->> >-->> john >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> On Mon, 23 Oct 2006, Jim Hoffman wrote: >-->> >-->> >-->Well, I guess my point is this... If you know you need >-->> >-->to do those things then you don't need mathmatics... You >-->> >-->need a Jeep... >-->> >--> >-->> >-->;) >-->> >--> >-->> >-->Jim >-->> >--> >-->> >-->> jeeps are quite practical... >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> try hauling 2 yards of gravel with one of our mercedes... :) >-->> >-->> or driving up into the mountains in snow... >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> or carrying 12 foot long 2x12s, or... well, you get the idea. >-->> >-->> john >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> On Mon, 23 Oct 2006, Jim Hoffman wrote: >-->> >-->> >-->Exactly! ;) >-->> >-->> >-->Have any of us EVER seen John make a decision based >-->> >-->> >-->"stricktly" on mathmatics? No, most of his decisions >-->> >-->> >-->are based on emotion. Which one does he "like" better. >-->> >-->> >-->Not which one is most economical or practical, etc. or >-->> >-->> >-->he would never drive a Jeep! >-->> >-->> >-->;) >-->> >-->> >--> >-->> >-->> >-->Jim >-->> >-->> >--> >-->> >-->> >-->> john wrote: >-->> >-->> >-->> no, it can be, it will be... quantified... :) >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> You will be >-->> >-->> >-->> absorbed....resistance is futile... >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> Greg Fiorentino >-->> >-->> >-->> Vancouver USA >-->> >-->> >-->> '85 300SD Turbo >-->> >-->> >-->> '84 300D Turbo >-->> >-->> >-->> '79 300TD >-->> >-->> >-->> '97 7.3L F250 HD 4WD Crew Cab ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 12:43:21 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: fsj: POPCORN READY? break out the popcorn... this talk of tailgates and state police inspections, only having ONE FSJ, emissions and daily drivers got me thinking... that and the '98 xj deal feel through for superdawg... so... Considering that the J10 stepside is way cooler than the Grand Wagoneer. And, the Grand Wagoneer is only in "good" condition. AND, the idea of putting waste veggie oil in the back of a Grand Wagoneer had me faced with some real challenges to make that work. (With the J10 it's not a problem.) The J10 won't have reclining seats, but will get the WJ seats... comfy... the J10 won't haul passengers, but that's ok, still have the WJ and the Benz, both kids are grown and gone... Just keep coming back to the idea that the J10 is way cooler. :) 1991 Jeep Grand Wagoneer - was going with 6.2L, but since it got delayed again, and we ran into this axle/xfr case issue... not to mention my concern about reinspection, decided to connect an AW4 to the existing 360, use the "gold-plated" adapter to mate the AW4 to an NP219 and make it driveable... won't be economical, but it'll be fun... the 4 speed automatic may actually improve it's economy a bit... So the Grand Wagoneer is getting a tranny swap basically, have a tranny waiting... getting rid of the 727 for an AW4... and hope that Jim Blair is right on the flex plate... (is a 360 internally balanced? is a 4.0L internally balanced? if so, why the need for balancing the 4.0L flex plate for the 360???? if not, makes sense. ;) May sell the GW later, or maybe I'll get a Diesel or 4.0 for it, who knows... The more I think about this, the less I like the idea of a GW... (thanx all for the reminder about the tailgate). I'll drive it, may even keep it... very interested in seeing how the AW4 will work with the 360. All that's needed to finish it is to balance the flex plate (if Jim Blair is right) and adjust the lengths of the driveshafts, estimate less than $300 to put the GW on the road... shouldn't take very long either. A lot easier to get retitled... I was concerned about the issue of putting an older engine into the GW. They did use the 6.2L up to '91, but I wasn't sure about the emissions equipment. Not a problem with Superdawg, same year, and as an extra added bonus he's exempt from emissions next year! 1983 Jeep J10 Stepside - will resume the 6.2L Diesel plans, have to figure out the xfr case and front axle issue... perhaps a late model Chevy xfr case will bolt up to the '83 700r4 and drop on the correct side. This is the one remaining issue... (was also the issue on the GW). There is another J10 that has the correct axle, and gearing, but then it disables that one... which will be fixed up later and was pretty much a gift/free anyway so disabling it shouldn't be the end of the world... and we should be able to find another axle... oh Elliott, do you still have that axle from my '75 J10??? I'm trying to get these two projects done ASAP and for as little as possible. ************************************************ QUESTION: (DOES ANYONE know if there are differences in the front axle between a WIDE TRACK CHEROKEE AND A J10? Need to know... if there is little or none, it solves a problem.) ************************************************ The GW was an unexpected entry into this equation in MAY. It's now November. I have been waiting for almost five and a half years for the J10. Have had the 6.2L Diesel parts for SuperDawg for over a year now... Just want to get the J10 finished... The quick fix on the GW will clear some space and get things rolling... I really want to finish these projects. If the J10 weren't in a million pieces I would have brought it home and finished it myself years ago... The progress on the '48 CJ-2A is doing well, received the parts needed to reassemble, should be going together very soon... have interest in the '47 CJ-2A. I think that the end result will be acceptable to my wife and makes sense... the Benz and/or the J10 as daily drivers, the WJ for her and for extended trips, the trailer for yard service and the cj-2a for the fun of it... 5 sets of wheels... technically two for me... maybe if the J10 works out real well with the WVO I could part with the Benz... but am going to wait to see how it all works out. - ----------------------------------- KEEP: - ---- 1983 J10 stepside, 6.2L Diesel, bright platinum metallic paint, WJ seats... 1948 Willys CJ-2A - KEEP, getting stock driveline... nice toy, doesn't count. ;) 1991 Mercedes 300D - KEEP for now... after a few months with the J10, might sell... 1999 Jeep Grand Cherokee Laredo - KEEP - wife's Jeep/family trips 1975 Jeep J10 Bed/trailer hydraulic dump - KEEP - very useful 1991 Grand Wagoneer, 360, AW4 setup... if I like it, maybe it'll get a 6.2, or maybe it'll go away... I'm thinking as soon as SuperDawg comes home I'll be asking the GW to find a new place of residence. :) - ----------------------------------- 1947 Willys CJ-2A - FOR SALE ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 21:25:01 -0700 From: "Jim Blair" Subject: RE: fsj: POPCORN READY? There is minimal mounting differences between the WT Cherokee front axle and J10 front diff. GW however is narrower. Jim Blair, Seattle, WA '84 J10 Black Jack (getting lifted and stroked!), '73 J4000 304/TH400/QT tow truck http://www.virtualjeep.com ************************************************ QUESTION: (DOES ANYONE know if there are differences in the front axle between a WIDE TRACK CHEROKEE AND A J10? Need to know... if there is little or none, it solves a problem.) ************************************************ _________________________________________________________________ Stay in touch with old friends and meet new ones with Windows Live Spaces http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwsp0070000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=create&wx_url=/friends.aspx&mkt=en-us ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 21:59:49 -0700 From: "Jim Blair" Subject: RE: fsj: POPCORN READY? ARRRGH! I had this email ready to send and somehow I hit copy and then SPACEBAR! It just disappeared! It wouldn't be much of a challenge if you don't need to use the back of the GW anymore. Make a crewcab pickup out of it with the rood folded down behind the rear seat and cut the side panels off at the bottom of the window then weld the top of the tailgate and corner posts closed. (almost had that ready to go with my son's '83 Cherokee WT that was junked in Auburn from a storage place the day before I arrived to pick it up!) The main difficulty with an AW4 and 360 combo is the tall GW gearing. The AW4 is VERY low stall speed and much higher efficiency than the 727. You'll probably find lower gears will make it move quite nice. Too tall of gears will hurt power and fuel economy. (of course it will depend on tire size too) The 360 (and all AMC V8s) are externally balanced unless rebuilt by a good machine shop that can zero balance everything (It's been done, even on 401s) All inline 6 cyls (AFAIK) are internally balanced. We had quite the discussion on this issue and multiple cylinders on the strokers (-at-yahoogroups.com ) list this past week. You can swap the front axle to RH drop to go with the Chev tcase, OR swap a Jeep NP208 input gear to 27 spline and bolt it to the 700R4. I think Chev did NV241 instead. There may be a clearance issue. If that is true, then a Ford NP208F with fixed yoke and Chev input gear (if it'll fit) will cure the LH drop axle thing as well as more clearance away from the trans pan (the Ford one is slightly wider and it has a longer, maybe wider chain. I have Chev, Jeep, Dodge and Ford NP208s in my storage locker if you want to compare) They are Chev 27 spline (RH drop, slip yoke off 700R4 and good for parts due to worn out chain $35 or swap for the 4.2L or runnable 4.0L), Jeep 23 spline (LH drop, fixed yoke both ways and no current project. Was asking $150 but you already have one), Dodge 23 spline (fixed yokes both ways, RH drop 23 spline and slated to go into my '73 J4000 with the '80 Cherokee 727 lockup trans it's bolted to), NP208F 31 spline (fixed yoke both ways and only 60,000 factory miles with minimal offroading $150 unless I get another project rolling) I'm thinking about taking the Nash/Jeep 327 I have, along with the Buick Nailhead switch pitch TH400 (I have the adapter ring and starter spacer now) that's coming out of my '73 J4000 and rebuild it with the 2.5" long New Process TH400 adapter sleeve I bought, and find a 31 spline "spud" shaft to go to the NP208F from the TH400 (or have the QT shaft cut to fit with 31 splines at a local 4x4 axle re-splining shop) Then I'd put that mess into the '86 Comanche longbed I used to own with a D44/D60 modded for XJ axle combo one of the local guys is selling. Too bad I'm $hort on $$ and time as well as $pace to do these wild ideas I get! break out the popcorn... this talk of tailgates and state police inspections, only having ONE FSJ, emissions and daily drivers got me thinking... that and the '98 xj deal feel through for superdawg... so... Considering that the J10 stepside is way cooler than the Grand Wagoneer. And, the Grand Wagoneer is only in "good" condition. AND, the idea of putting waste veggie oil in the back of a Grand Wagoneer had me faced with some real challenges to make that work. (With the J10 it's not a problem.) The J10 won't have reclining seats, but will get the WJ seats... comfy... the J10 won't haul passengers, but that's ok, still have the WJ and the Benz, both kids are grown and gone... Just keep coming back to the idea that the J10 is way cooler. :) 1991 Jeep Grand Wagoneer - was going with 6.2L, but since it got delayed again, and we ran into this axle/xfr case issue... not to mention my concern about reinspection, decided to connect an AW4 to the existing 360, use the "gold-plated" adapter to mate the AW4 to an NP219 and make it driveable... won't be economical, but it'll be fun... the 4 speed automatic may actually improve it's economy a bit... So the Grand Wagoneer is getting a tranny swap basically, have a tranny waiting... getting rid of the 727 for an AW4... and hope that Jim Blair is right on the flex plate... (is a 360 internally balanced? is a 4.0L internally balanced? if so, why the need for balancing the 4.0L flex plate for the 360???? if not, makes sense. ;) May sell the GW later, or maybe I'll get a Diesel or 4.0 for it, who knows... The more I think about this, the less I like the idea of a GW... (thanx all for the reminder about the tailgate). I'll drive it, may even keep it... very interested in seeing how the AW4 will work with the 360. All that's needed to finish it is to balance the flex plate (if Jim Blair is right) and adjust the lengths of the driveshafts, estimate less than $300 to put the GW on the road... shouldn't take very long either. A lot easier to get retitled... I was concerned about the issue of putting an older engine into the GW. They did use the 6.2L up to '91, but I wasn't sure about the emissions equipment. Not a problem with Superdawg, same year, and as an extra added bonus he's exempt from emissions next year! 1983 Jeep J10 Stepside - will resume the 6.2L Diesel plans, have to figure out the xfr case and front axle issue... perhaps a late model Chevy xfr case will bolt up to the '83 700r4 and drop on the correct side. This is the one remaining issue... (was also the issue on the GW). There is another J10 that has the correct axle, and gearing, but then it disables that one... which will be fixed up later and was pretty much a gift/free anyway so disabling it shouldn't be the end of the world... and we should be able to find another axle... oh Elliott, do you still have that axle from my '75 J10??? I'm trying to get these two projects done ASAP and for as little as possible. _________________________________________________________________ Add a Yahoo! contact to Windows Live Messenger for a chance to win a free trip! http://www.imagine-windowslive.com/minisites/yahoo/default.aspx?locale=en-us&hmtagline ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #2728 **************************