From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Wed Nov 15 08:20:27 2006 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Wednesday, November 15 2006 Volume 01 : Number 2735 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: fsj: RE: xj: Re: Traitor? fsj: factory manuals on ebay fsj: OT: ebay url simplifier fsj: a weber 32/36 DGEV on a 360? fsj: administrivia: notes on using this list RE: fsj: factory manuals on ebay Re: fsj: a weber 32/36 DGEV on a 360? Re: fsj: a weber 32/36 DGEV on a 360? RE: fsj: factory manuals on ebay FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 10:54:55 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: fsj: RE: xj: Re: Traitor? wait a couple of years... the prices should come down a bit... if you're looking for a nice capable Jeep, consider the '99 - '04 WJs, solid axles... look for the 4.7L V8s with Quaddradrive... feel like an FSJ on the trail... great on the road... john On Tue, 14 Nov 2006, Ed Kummel wrote: >-->Those are all good points...I love the fact that my 89 Wagoneer came equipped with a complete Up Country package with full rock protection for the front suspension/engine, xfer case and gastank.. So, I never worry about where I run my Jeep....These things would be important no matter what vehicle I'ld be running. >--> Here locally on the east coast, you can get a "nicely equipped" FJ for $30k although I can easily see this growing to $35k with extra nicities. >--> Ed >--> web/gadget guru >--> >-->"Peter J. Ford" wrote: >--> The cost is the big issue I have with the FJ. That and the crowd it is >-->marketed towards. Here in SoCal they are going for $35k. You could get a >-->really well equiped Unlimited Rubicon for that much money. Also, they all >-->have these running boards (rock catchers) and no real protection for the >-->expensive bits. Real rocker protection and skid plates might be offered as >-->options, or you could wait for aftermarket companies (which I am sure will >-->make stuff for the FJ) but it seems like the dealers want to sell this to >-->the wannabes. The situation might be different where you are, but here the >-->FJ is just a Japanese version of the H2. >--> >-->Peter J. Ford >-->J is for Jeep Jetta Jeep Jeep >--> >--> >-->>From: "Don Hansen" >-->>Reply-To: xj-at-digest.net >-->>To: >-->>Subject: xj: Re: Traitor? >-->>Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 06:27:40 -0500 >-->> >-->>Ed, you're no traitor: DC has trashed the Jeep anyway. It's no longer the >-->>'off-road capable first' marque that it was. Although I do like the new 4 >-->>door Wrangler, they've dumped the 4.0 in favor of some V6 thing... I'm >-->>with you on the FJ!!! How much $$$??? >-->> >-->>-Don >-->> >-->>----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed Kummel" >-->>To: >-->>Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 1:15 AM >-->>Subject: xj: Traitor? >-->> >-->> >-->>>OK...I have a dilema... >-->>> I love my Jeeps...all of them...I have for years! I love what jeeps >-->>>offer and what they stand for. I've had this idea for a Jeep >-->>>commercial...what with all the talk of cool commercials here...A bunch of >-->>>young people in a Jeep are driving down a back road and when they come to >-->>>an intersection, they lean out of the jeep to see where it goes and they >-->>>shake their heads saying "no" and go on. This happens 2 more times when >-->>>they come to a road that has a sign that indicates that the road ends >-->>>ahead, The Jeep turns and amid the cheers and hollaring, proceeds down the >-->>>road. the voice-over announcer says..."Jeep, the fun begins where the road >-->>>ends..." >--> >-->>> So, like I said...I love my Jeeps...and in contrast, I really despise >-->>>Japanese cars...every Japanese car I ever sat in, I feel out of place, >-->>>uncomfortable...but beyond that, I feel like a traitor...Besides...I come >-->>>from the era where the high-beam switch is on the left floorboard, under >-->>>the parking break pedal, like it's supposed to be! >-->>> So, it came as a great suprise to me this weekend when I happened upon a >-->>>Toyota FJ Cruiser...What the heck? This thing is awesome! It's everything >-->>>the new Jeep sould be. I looked at several jeeps, and while the hemi is >-->>>sweet, the "froo-froo-ness" (yes, a new word that applies here) makes the >-->>>Jeep look like a city poser..I have no doubt that it can handle its self >-->>>off road, but wow! That FJ! It looks the part! And here is the weird >-->>>part...I ddon't feel weird sitting in it! I feel like...This is what a >-->>>Jeep should be! >-->>> So, do these impure thoughts make me a traitor? >-->>> Ed >-->>> web/gadget guru >-->>> >-->>> >-->>>Don't You Love Mistyping URL's.... >-->>>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >-->>>....when they turn out to be pretty neat. >-->>> >-->>>In this case I was trying for Engadget.com, and instead wound up at >-->>>www.edgadget.com which appears to have lots of Newton software. >-->>> >-->>>- ProfessorF from the UK pcpro/macuser forum >-->>> >-->>>--------------------------------- >-->>>Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! 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Music Unlimited. >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 14:38:30 CST From: Dan Black Subject: fsj: factory manuals on ebay '74 FSJ factory service manual, $35: http://cgi.ebay.com/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160043712966 (Actually covers probably all Jeeps for '74: CJ5, CJ6, Cherokee, Wagoneer, and "Truck"... the J-trucks.) I'd get it myself, but I already got one. Also, a '73-78 Jeep parts catalog: http://cgi.ebay.com/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=8044204394 Which I figure I have no use for. Doesn't usually help to know the factory part numbers for items they don't make anymore. :P - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We have nothing to fear but fear itself. That, and those great big furry spiders. -- Lev L. Spiro - -------------- Dan Black ------------------------- dan-at-black.org -------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 15:26:42 CST From: Dan Black Subject: fsj: OT: ebay url simplifier I don't know about you guys, but I get sick of the long, annoying ebay urls -- especially when people send them in emails and they get separated to two or three lines, and I have to reassemble them manually. So I wrote this: http://danblack.info/cgi/ebay Use it to reassemble stupid long ebay item links you get in email. Use it to convert long links before pasting them into your own emails. Share it with your friends. If you want something to try it with, say you get something like this forwarded to you in an email: > > Hey guys! check out this book! http://cgi.ebay.com/eBay-for-Dummies- > >>> Australian-Edition-Signed-New-Edition_W0QQitemZ250046353643QQihZ015 > > > QQcategoryZ113794QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Go ahead, just copy that whole block and paste it into the text box on that web page. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I hear and I forget, I see and I remember, I do and I understand. -- Chinese proverb - -------------- Dan Black ------------------------- dan-at-black.org -------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 22:51:36 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: fsj: a weber 32/36 DGEV on a 360? I have a newer K551 32 36 DGEV progressive Electric choke, Original Weber that came with one of my extra engines... selling my extra stuff off at: http://seattle.craigslist.org/sno/pts/235073387.html was thinking about using it on my '91 GW, 360... the stock carb is 290cfm, the 32/36 will flow at 235 cfm. the 360 needs: CFM = (rpm x displacement)/3456 ( 4,000 rpm * 360 cubic inches ) / 3456 = 416.67 CFM at peak torque on an AMC 360 you only need: ( 1,700 rpm * 360 cubic inches ) / 3456 = 177 CFM so it would limit it's higher rpm power, but not it's torque... http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/tech/kn-vs-amsoil-according-to-john.html thoughts? john http://seattle.craigslist.org/sno/pts/235073387.html 1999 Jeep Grand Cherokee Laredo 4.7L V8/45RFE/NV 247 (Quadradrive) 1991 Mercedes 300D 2.5L Turbo Diesel/AT (for sale after GW complete) 1991 Jeep Grand Wagoneer 5.9/727/np229 soon... 1990 jeep cherokee (holding for son) 1983 Jeep J10 Stepside was 4.2L I-6/T-5/NP208 --> 6.2L/700R4/NP 219 or NP 208 1975 Jeep J10 Bed/trailer hydraulic dump 1967 Jeep J100 Panel 1948 Willys CJ-2A 2.0L/T90/Spicer 18 1947 Willys CJ-2A 2.0L/T90/Spicer 18 (for sale) ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 07:15:00 +0000 From: Richard Welty Subject: fsj: administrivia: notes on using this list Digest.Net mailing list "Meta FAQ" These general notes on using Digest.Net mailing lists are posted on the 1st and 15th of each month. 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What is Krusty Motorsports, anyway? Krusty Motorsports (http:/www.krusty-motorsports.com/) is a business which is owned and operated by Richard Welty (rwelty-at-krusty-motorsports.com). Krusty is an S-Corporation in the State of New York. Krusty provides a number of Internet related services, such as mailing list, web sites, pop3/telnet accounts, and consulting on internet related issues. For more information, see the web site. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 07:59:08 -0800 From: "Jim Blair" Subject: RE: fsj: factory manuals on ebay It helps (parts list) if you have access to a good crossover system to match numbers. Many of those numbers still work if you put a J in front of them. Just punch the number you want (with and without J) into Google.com and see what comes back. Also, some people, like Zack of http://ZMJeeps.com have NOS parts from closed down dealerships for sale. They have the numbers posted of what they have, but don't always know what it is. Jim Blair, Seattle, WA '84 J10 Black Jack (getting lifted and stroked!), '73 J4000 304/TH400/QT tow truck http://www.virtualjeep.com AMC list subscription options link http://www.amxfiles.com/amc-list/options.cfm '74 FSJ factory service manual, $35: http://cgi.ebay.com/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160043712966 (Actually covers probably all Jeeps for '74: CJ5, CJ6, Cherokee, Wagoneer, and "Truck"... the J-trucks.) I'd get it myself, but I already got one. Also, a '73-78 Jeep parts catalog: http://cgi.ebay.com/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=8044204394 Which I figure I have no use for. Doesn't usually help to know the factory part numbers for items they don't make anymore. :P - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We have nothing to fear but fear itself. That, and those great big furry spiders. -- Lev L. Spiro - -------------- Dan Black ------------------------- dan-at-black.org _________________________________________________________________ Use your PC to make calls at very low rates https://voiceoam.pcs.v2s.live.com/partnerredirect.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 08:06:21 -0800 From: Kevin Subject: Re: fsj: a weber 32/36 DGEV on a 360? If I was looking at using a weber on a 360, I'd probably be looking at a 38/38 instead of a 32/36. As it is, the stock 2bbl was undersized and you really did notice it. If you were going to change out the carb on the 360 and stay a two barrel, the 500 cfm holley is a better choice, though I know how much you enjoy holley carbs :) K On Tue, Nov 14, 2006 at 10:51:36PM -0800, john wrote: > I have a newer K551 32 36 DGEV progressive Electric choke, Original Weber > that came with one of my extra engines... selling my extra stuff off at: > http://seattle.craigslist.org/sno/pts/235073387.html > > was thinking about using it on my '91 GW, 360... the stock > carb is 290cfm, the 32/36 will flow at 235 cfm. > > the 360 needs: > CFM = (rpm x displacement)/3456 > > ( 4,000 rpm * 360 cubic inches ) / 3456 = 416.67 CFM > > at peak torque on an AMC 360 you only need: > ( 1,700 rpm * 360 cubic inches ) / 3456 = 177 CFM > > so it would limit it's higher rpm power, but not it's torque... > > http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/tech/kn-vs-amsoil-according-to-john.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 08:10:37 -0800 From: "Jim Blair" Subject: Re: fsj: a weber 32/36 DGEV on a 360? A: It's waaay too small for a 360! It'll draw far more fuel because it can't breath. If I was looking at using a weber on a 360, I'd probably be looking at a 38/38 instead of a 32/36. As it is, the stock 2bbl was undersized and you really did notice it. If you were going to change out the carb on the 360 and stay a two barrel, the 500 cfm holley is a better choice, though I know how much you enjoy holley carbs :) K On Tue, Nov 14, 2006 at 10:51:36PM -0800, john wrote: >I have a newer K551 32 36 DGEV progressive Electric choke, Original Weber >that came with one of my extra engines... selling my extra stuff off at: > http://seattle.craigslist.org/sno/pts/235073387.html > >was thinking about using it on my '91 GW, 360... the stock >carb is 290cfm, the 32/36 will flow at 235 cfm. > >the 360 needs: > CFM = (rpm x displacement)/3456 > > ( 4,000 rpm * 360 cubic inches ) / 3456 = 416.67 CFM > >at peak torque on an AMC 360 you only need: > ( 1,700 rpm * 360 cubic inches ) / 3456 = 177 CFM > >so it would limit it's higher rpm power, but not it's torque... > > http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/tech/kn-vs-amsoil-according-to-john.html _________________________________________________________________ Use your PC to make calls at very low rates https://voiceoam.pcs.v2s.live.com/partnerredirect.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 16:12:18 +0000 From: "michel balea" Subject: RE: fsj: factory manuals on ebay As you know i have a 74 and a 74 TSM, i recently bought the 78 TSM (3 vol) and it is a much better manual, because of a better detailled troubleshooting procedure (senders and gauges) cheers Michel From: Dan Black Reply-To: Dan Black To: Full Size Jeeps Subject: fsj: factory manuals on ebay Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 14:38:30 CST '74 FSJ factory service manual, $35: http://cgi.ebay.com/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160043712966 (Actually covers probably all Jeeps for '74: CJ5, CJ6, Cherokee, Wagoneer, and "Truck"... the J-trucks.) I'd get it myself, but I already got one. Also, a '73-78 Jeep parts catalog: http://cgi.ebay.com/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=8044204394 Which I figure I have no use for. Doesn't usually help to know the factory part numbers for items they don't make anymore. :P - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We have nothing to fear but fear itself. That, and those great big furry spiders. -- Lev L. Spiro - -------------- Dan Black ------------------------- dan-at-black.org - -------------- _________________________________________________________________ Add a Yahoo! contact to Windows Live Messenger for a chance to win a free trip! http://www.imagine-windowslive.com/minisites/yahoo/default.aspx?locale=en-us&hmtagline ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #2735 **************************