From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Thu Mar 15 03:32:22 2007 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Thursday, March 15 2007 Volume 01 : Number 2810 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: fsj: Re: the '00 xj seats fsj: wood grain fsj: Re: wood grain fsj: the last Cherokee fsj: front bumper options '01 XJ fsj: administrivia: notes on using this list fsj: Re: the last Cherokee fsj: Re: front bumper options '01 XJ FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 18:23:07 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: fsj: Re: the '00 xj seats On Wed, 14 Mar 2007, Neal Hoover wrote: >-->yer a champ, sir. experienced... :) >--> >-->;) >--> >-->Neal A. Hoover >-->Project '76 J-10 >-->Project '96 XJ >-->http://community.webshots.com/user/proj96xj >--> >--> >-->----- Original Message ----- >-->From: "john" >-->To: "Neal Hoover" >-->Cc: >-->Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 6:11 PM >-->Subject: Re: fsj: Re: the '00 xj seats >--> >--> >-->> >-->> well, there is always that really large hammer... the fine tuning >-->> adjustment tool. comes in several versions, 4, 6, and 8 lb. :) >-->> if that fails, there is always the hot wrench or a sawzall. :) >-->> >-->> john >-->> >-->> On Wed, 14 Mar 2007, Neal Hoover wrote: >-->> >-->> >-->AAAAAHH!! >-->> >--> >-->> >-->i got that, john. :p >-->> >--> >-->> >-->i'll be using the ZJ rails (bases), as they are power on both seats. >-->the >-->> >-->stock ZJ brackets that actually bolt to the floor will have to be >-->modified, >-->> >-->i'm sure. i was just mainly concerned if the ZJ electric seat rails >-->will >-->> >-->fit beside the tranny hump, or if there will be interferance there. >-->or >-->> >-->maybe i'll have to modify the tranny hump a bit to get the seat rails >-->to >-->> >-->slide fully front to back. >-->> >-->(heh) >-->> >--> >-->> >-->Neal A. Hoover >-->> >-->Project '76 J-10 >-->> >-->Project '96 XJ >-->> >-->http://community.webshots.com/user/proj96xj >-->> >--> >-->> >--> >-->> >-->----- Original Message ----- >-->> >-->From: "john" >-->> >-->To: "Neal Hoover" >-->> >-->Cc: >-->> >-->Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 5:43 PM >-->> >-->Subject: Re: fsj: Re: the '00 xj seats >-->> >--> >-->> >--> >-->> >-->> On Wed, 14 Mar 2007, Neal Hoover wrote: >-->> >-->> >-->i was mainly curious if the seat rails themselves will fit >-->nicely >-->> >-->beside the >-->> >-->> >-->tranny hump. i know i'll have to cut off some of the stock ZJ >-->> >-->bracketry and >-->> >-->> >-->fab up some floor mounts, but that doesn't bother me. >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> you're pretty much stuck with the seat base for whatever it's in, >-->build up >-->> >-->from there. >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> john >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> >--> >-->> >-->> >-->Neal A. Hoover >-->> >-->> >-->Project '76 J-10 >-->> >-->> >-->Project '96 XJ >-->> >-->> >-->http://community.webshots.com/user/proj96xj >-->> >-->> >--> >-->> >-->> >--> >-->> >-->> >-->----- Original Message ----- >-->> >-->> >-->From: "michel balea" >-->> >-->> >-->To: ; >-->> >-->> >-->Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 12:05 PM >-->> >-->> >-->Subject: Re: fsj: Re: the '00 xj seats >-->> >-->> >--> >-->> >-->> >--> >-->> >-->> >-->> I remember checking those ZJ, and the bracketry was not really >-->> >-->matching >-->> >-->> >-->for >-->> >-->> >-->> the width >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> wagoneer brackets are very narrow as they mount on the tranny >-->hump >-->> >-->... >-->> >-->> >-->they >-->> >-->> >-->> not even symmetrical, you have a driver and a passenger hump . >-->> >-->Celica was >-->> >-->> >-->> almost a match, as they ride very low to the ground, so you >-->could >-->> >-->fab >-->> >-->> >-->> intermediate brackets to compensate. But if you put too much >-->> >-->bracketry >-->> >-->> >-->> between the OE mount and the replacement seat, you will hit >-->the >-->> >-->ceiling, >-->> >-->> >-->or >-->> >-->> >-->> not reach the pedals >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> some have used civic seats >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> this is why after spending too many hours to fit those neon >-->seats on >-->> >-->the >-->> >-->> >-->> wrangler... i bought some decent used wagoneer electrical.... >-->and >-->> >-->found >-->> >-->> >-->> pedestal to match..... remember that from the TH400 to TF727 >-->the >-->> >-->pedestal >-->> >-->> >-->> are supposedly different >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> Michel >-->> >-->> >-->> 74 wag >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> From: "Neal Hoover" >-->> >-->> >-->> Reply-To: "Neal Hoover" >-->> >-->> >-->> To: >-->> >-->> >-->> Subject: Re: fsj: Re: the '00 xj seats >-->> >-->> >-->> Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 06:42:40 -0500 >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> fwiw, i'm headed to the local bone yard to pilfer a couple of >-->really >-->> >-->nice >-->> >-->> >-->ZJ >-->> >-->> >-->> seats for my j-truck project that i've found. i know i'll >-->have to >-->> >-->do a >-->> >-->> >-->lot >-->> >-->> >-->> of fabbing to make my brackets, but does anyone know of >-->general >-->> >-->fitment >-->> >-->> >-->WRT >-->> >-->> >-->> the tranny hump, slide range, etc? >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> Neal A. Hoover >-->> >-->> >-->> Project '76 J-10 >-->> >-->> >-->> Project '96 XJ >-->> >-->> >-->> http://community.webshots.com/user/proj96xj >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> ----- Original Message ----- >-->> >-->> >-->> From: "Kevin" >-->> >-->> >-->> To: "michel balea" ; >-->> >-->> >-->> Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 6:44 PM >-->> >-->> >-->> Subject: Re: fsj: Re: the '00 xj seats >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> > My reading tells me that CJ/YJ/TJ/XJ/SJ can all use the >-->same >-->> >-->seats, as >-->> >-->> >-->> long >-->> >-->> >-->> > as you use the frames/mounts that came with the vehicle. >-->One of >-->> >-->the >-->> >-->> >-->more >-->> >-->> >-->> > interesting ones I've heard is eddie bauer explorer seats >-->to get >-->> >-->heated >-->> >-->> >-->> > seats, though it looks like there's some mods that need to >-->be >-->> >-->done to >-->> >-->> >-->> make >-->> >-->> >-->> > those work. >-->> >-->> >-->> > >-->> >-->> >-->> > My 83 cherokee is in need of an interior (amongst other >-->things), >-->> >-->so >-->> >-->> >-->once >-->> >-->> >-->> I >-->> >-->> >-->> > have the back window done, and the weatherstripping done, >-->I'll be >-->> >-->> >-->> revisiting >-->> >-->> >-->> > seats. But, before I do that, I need to put an engine in >-->the 89 >-->> >-->> >-->cherokee. >-->> >-->> >-->> > >-->> >-->> >-->> > On Tue, Mar 13, 2007 at 11:40:52PM +0000, michel balea >-->wrote: >-->> >-->> >-->> > > seats are tricky.... because of the trany hump..... it >-->cam be a >-->> >-->> >-->> challenge >-->> >-->> >-->> > > to fit the pedestal....and even if the base fit.... the >-->length >-->> >-->of the >-->> >-->> >-->> > > glide.... i bought a pair of neon seats.... but too wide >-->for >-->> >-->the >-->> >-->> >-->> > > wagoneer... they ended on the wrangler... w one issue... >-->if you >-->> >-->are >-->> >-->> >-->> 5'8" >-->> >-->> >-->> or >-->> >-->> >-->> > > shorter you will not touch the pedals... and for a stick >-->> >-->shift.... >-->> >-->> >-->that >-->> >-->> >-->> can >-->> >-->> >-->> > > be tricky.... >-->> >-->> >-->> > > >-->> >-->> >-->> > > people claim success w escort to mustang seats (like 89 >-->to >-->> >-->95ish) >-->> >-->> >-->being >-->> >-->> >-->> an >-->> >-->> >-->> > > almost direct bolt on. I never found a clean set of seat >-->at >-->> >-->the >-->> >-->> >-->> > > junkyard... so never tried that combo.... got some >-->wagoneer w >-->> >-->the >-->> >-->> >-->> leather >-->> >-->> >-->> > > disease.... slapped some leather piece over the gash, >-->glued w >-->> >-->> >-->> barge.... >-->> >-->> >-->> > > and sheepskin on top.... >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->_________________________________________________________________ >-->> >-->> >-->> Mortgage rates as low as 4.625% - Refinance $150,000 loan for >-->$579 a >-->> >-->> >-->month. >-->> >-->> >-->> Intro*Terms >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->>-->>-->https://www2.nextag.com/goto.jsp?product=100000035&url=%2fst.jsp&tm= >-->y&se >-->> >-->arch=mortgage_text_links_88_h27f6&disc=y&vers=743&s=4056&p=5117 >-->> >-->> >--> >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> ----- >-->> >-->>-->> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >-->> >-->> Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold >-->> >-->> http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** >-->> >-->>-->> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >-->> >--> >-->> >-->> ----- >-->> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >-->> Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold >-->> http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** >-->> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >--> >--> ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 21:11:52 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: fsj: wood grain On Wed, 14 Mar 2007, orangetokyo-at-aol.com wrote: >--> Hi there, >--> I love your site. >--> I have an '82 Wagoneer, and the side wood-grain decals need >--> replacing. >--> Might you have a suggestion on where I might find them? >--> I'm in Dallas TX. >--> Thanks! >--> Stephen thanx, try bj's: http://www.bjsoffroad.com/cartgenie/prodInfo.asp?pid=527&cid=8 john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 21:57:38 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: fsj: Re: wood grain On Thu, 15 Mar 2007, stephen croncota wrote: >-->Thx! >-->This message was sent from my BlackBerry. ur welcome, this could have been sent from my treo, but I'm still doing my homework on a laptop that is ssh'd to my linux server. :) john >--> >-->-----Original Message----- >-->From: john >-->Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 21:11:52 >-->To:orangetokyo-at-aol.com >-->Cc:full size jeep list >-->Subject: wood grain >--> >-->On Wed, 14 Mar 2007, orangetokyo-at-aol.com wrote: >-->>--> Hi there, >-->>--> I love your site. >-->>--> I have an '82 Wagoneer, and the side wood-grain decals need >-->>--> replacing. >-->>--> Might you have a suggestion on where I might find them? >-->>--> I'm in Dallas TX. >-->>--> Thanks! >-->>--> Stephen >--> >-->thanx, >--> >-->try bj's: >--> >-->http://www.bjsoffroad.com/cartgenie/prodInfo.asp?pid=527&cid=8 >--> >-->john >--> >--> ----- >-->---------------------------------------------------------------------- >--> Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold >--> http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** >-->---------------------------------------------------------------------- >--> ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 22:36:26 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: fsj: the last Cherokee the last XJ cherokee rolled off the line in Toledo on June 22, 2001. Estimated that 2,707,645 units had been produced... I can't find any details on the SJ cherokee right now... john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 00:12:09 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: fsj: front bumper options '01 XJ I recall some custom bumpers that were made in Oklahoma a few years ago... I'm looking for a replacement front bumper for a 2001 XJ... don't want to use the stock plastic silliness... I've got a few other pieces that I'm not going to replace... http://wagoneers.com/fotos/johns-cars/01-xj.jpg Anyone got a used XJ bumper out there they want to get rid of? :) Wish I still had my Aussie Bull Bar, but that's been gone for almost 10 years now! wow. tempus flugit. thanx, john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 07:15:00 +0000 From: Richard Welty Subject: fsj: administrivia: notes on using this list Digest.Net mailing list "Meta FAQ" These general notes on using Digest.Net mailing lists are posted on the 1st and 15th of each month. 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What is Krusty Motorsports, anyway? Krusty Motorsports (http:/www.krusty-motorsports.com/) is a business which is owned and operated by Richard Welty (rwelty-at-krusty-motorsports.com). Krusty is an S-Corporation in the State of New York. Krusty provides a number of Internet related services, such as mailing list, web sites, pop3/telnet accounts, and consulting on internet related issues. For more information, see the web site. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 06:29:26 -0500 From: "Neal Hoover" Subject: fsj: Re: the last Cherokee and terminated loooong too soon. Neal A. Hoover Project '76 J-10 Project '96 XJ http://community.webshots.com/user/proj96xj - ----- Original Message ----- From: "john" To: "xj-list" Cc: "full size jeep list" Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 12:36 AM Subject: fsj: the last Cherokee > the last XJ cherokee rolled off the line in Toledo > on June 22, 2001. Estimated that 2,707,645 units had been produced... > > I can't find any details on the SJ cherokee right now... > > john > > ----- > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 06:32:57 -0500 From: "Neal Hoover" Subject: fsj: Re: front bumper options '01 XJ whip one up like the one i made for my rig, john... http://rides.webshots.com/photo/1206662298038855390HynSGi Neal A. Hoover Project '76 J-10 Project '96 XJ http://community.webshots.com/user/proj96xj - ----- Original Message ----- From: "john" To: "xj-list" ; ; "full size jeep list" Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 2:12 AM Subject: fsj: front bumper options '01 XJ > I recall some custom bumpers that were made in Oklahoma a few years ago... > > I'm looking for a replacement front bumper for a 2001 XJ... don't want to > use the stock plastic silliness... > > I've got a few other pieces that I'm not going to replace... > http://wagoneers.com/fotos/johns-cars/01-xj.jpg > > Anyone got a used XJ bumper out there they want to get rid of? :) > > Wish I still had my Aussie Bull Bar, but that's been gone for almost 10 > years now! wow. tempus flugit. > > thanx, > john > > ----- > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #2810 **************************