From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Tue Mar 20 23:04:25 2007 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Wednesday, March 21 2007 Volume 01 : Number 2815 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: fsj: liters/100km --> MPG Re: fsj: RE: How about a Dodge diesel? (fwd) Re: fsj: Fw: [xjlist] happiness is a full day of bonyard wrenching Re: fsj: RE: How about a Dodge diesel? (fwd) RE: fsj: lawsuit on low sulfur CA Diesel, early 90s... fsj: found this link through google fsj: Re: [db] liters/100km --> MPG fsj: alternate fuels fsj: omega update fsj: the fsj mag resurfaces fsj: Re: happiness is a full day of bonyard wrenching RE: fsj: lawsuit on low sulfur CA Diesel, early 90s... RE: fsj: lawsuit on low sulfur CA Diesel, early 90s... fsj: '91 GW on a '90 Dodge Cummins? Re: fsj: '91 GW on a '90 Dodge Cummins? Re: fsj: '91 GW on a '90 Dodge Cummins? fsj: Re: [db] '91 GW on a '90 Dodge Cummins? (fwd) fsj: adventures under the hood... 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Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 18:49:20 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: fsj: liters/100km --> MPG to convert liters/100km to MPG (US), divide 243.125/(liters/100km) liters/100km miles/gallon 15 16.21 14.5 16.77 14 17.37 13.5 18.01 13 18.70 12.5 19.45 12 20.26 11.5 21.14 11 22.10 10.5 23.15 10 24.31 9.5 25.59 9 27.01 8.5 28.60 8 30.39 7.5 32.42 7 34.73 6.5 37.40 6 40.52 ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 21:12:55 -0700 From: "Jim Blair" Subject: Re: fsj: RE: How about a Dodge diesel? (fwd) A: The NP228/229 and probably the 219 wouldn't last more than maybe a week with the diesel so I'd keep the NV241 it comes with (or score a Rubicon NV241 OR like I have). The 727 used is big block or V10 bell with an adapter ring to the Cummins motor. While the output shaft is 23 spline, AFAIK it's the longer version like the AW4 '91 up uses. (your thick adapter would work to a 219, but I'd keep the 241 on standby. The NP208J would be borderline behind the diesel too) Putting the GW on the Dodge frame isn't a bad idea (and much easier to handle, like the recent hemi powered GW attests to) From: john Subject: fsj: RE: How about a Dodge diesel? (fwd) popcorn munchers... 1st off, is this driveline good? 2nd, what are the dimensions of the W250? would I be able to: 1) put my J10 body and bed on this frame (shortening the frame for the stepside) or 2) put my Grand Wagoneer body on this frame (shortening frame of course) or would I be better off just moving the engine/trans to the GW. The '83 J10 is scheduled for the 6.2L Diesel and I only need one $550 adapter to make it all work... curtis is promising this summer... same promise I've heard for the last six years... but being the eternal optimist I'm hoping that nothing bad happens to him this year and that he really will be able to keep his promise this time... but working on a contingency plan, I'm thinking the cummins in the GW would be interesting... supposedly the Cummins is mated to a 727 as it's a 3speed... that means I might be able to recase it or use it with my Xfr case... thoughts? chances are this project will not mature... but it's giving us something to chew popcorn with. ;) I am going to get a Diesel powered Jeep... some how, some way... :) john _________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE Web site, company branded e-mail and more from Microsoft Office Live! http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/mcrssaub0050001411mrt/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 21:20:45 -0700 From: "Jim Blair" Subject: Re: fsj: Fw: [xjlist] happiness is a full day of bonyard wrenching A: I have a 700 watt inverter (I wish I still had my 1200 kw "suitcase" Yamaha generator) and I have dragged my Exide Orbital battery with me into yards (I run 12VDC drill, plus 110V screwgun and skilsaw off it directly, then use it to start the J4000 when I leave) I used to have a Dewalt multitool kit (skilsaw, drill, grinder and power impact gun) but it disappeared -at-'98 when one of my sons left the garage door open at the house (I also lost the craftsman socket set my son borrowed without asking that I got from my dad) From: "Neal Hoover" Subject: Re: fsj: Fw: [xjlist] happiness is a full day of bonyard wrenching thanks, Michel, and no problems on the "hints!" we had scoped out the yard the weekend prior and knew the problem that we faced. i scratched my head a few days into the week trying to figure out a way to get those seats out. an angle grinder would be the perfect tool, but how to make it run? i was looking for a buddy who may have possibly had a DeWalt battery powered angle grinder, but to no avail. that's when i came up with the Optima/inverter set-up. cheers! Neal A. Hoover Project '76 J-10 Project '96 XJ http://community.webshots.com/user/proj96xj _________________________________________________________________ Live Search Maps ^V find all the local information you need, right when you need it. http://maps.live.com/?icid=hmtag2&FORM=MGAC01 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 21:48:16 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: fsj: RE: How about a Dodge diesel? (fwd) On Mon, 19 Mar 2007, Jim Blair wrote: > -->A: The NP228/229 and probably the 219 wouldn't last more than maybe a week > -->with the diesel so I'd keep the NV241 it comes with (or score a Rubicon > -->NV241 OR like I have). The 727 used is big block or V10 bell with an adapter > -->ring to the Cummins motor. While the output shaft is 23 spline, AFAIK it's > -->the longer version like the AW4 '91 up uses. (your thick adapter would work > -->to a 219, but I'd keep the 241 on standby. The NP208J would be borderline > -->behind the diesel too) > --> Putting the GW on the Dodge frame isn't a bad idea (and much easier to > -->handle, like the recent hemi powered GW attests to) hey, that's a good point, I forgot about that article... would be a quick way of getting my '91 GW to run well... ;) of course the '90 W250 in question has some driveline issues... john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 21:41:22 -0700 From: "Jim Blair" Subject: RE: fsj: lawsuit on low sulfur CA Diesel, early 90s... WOW! I didn't know there was so much going on with diesel! I wonder how well (and long) the older engines will run on ULSD? We sell a LOT of diesel additives in my store (Lucas is one of the favs of CA bound truckers) http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0CYH/is_10_6/ai_86204317 http://www.findarticles.com/p/search?tb=art&qt=Diesel+motor+%2F+Environmental+aspects http://www.etrucker.com/apps/news/article.asp?id=54121 http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0CYH/is_22_4/ai_68361692 http://diesel.legalview.com/ _________________________________________________________________ It^Rs tax season, make sure to follow these few simple tips http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Taxes/PreparationTips/PreparationTips.aspx?icid=HMMartagline ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 22:35:56 -0700 From: "Jim Blair" Subject: fsj: found this link through google http://jeep.autismscv.org/j10-jeep-trucks-club.html _________________________________________________________________ i'm making a difference. Make every IM count for the cause of your choice. Join Now. http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwme0080000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=hmtagline ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 00:11:33 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: fsj: Re: [db] liters/100km --> MPG On Tue, 20 Mar 2007, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote: >--> from john who wrote: >--> thanx ron, to convert liters/100km to MPG (US): divide 243.125/(liters/100km) conversely, divide 243.125 by mpg to get litre/100km Or, for (Imperial) gallons, use 282.53 divide 282.53 by mpg to get litre/100km john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 00:49:43 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: fsj: alternate fuels just finished my last homework assignment, hopefully, for this quarter... http://wagoneers.com/tmp/AlternateFuels-paper.pdf If you spot any glaring errors let me know... I've still got two weeks before I need to print it out and hand it in... :) thanx, john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 08:08:40 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: fsj: omega update ok, omega is vindicated... actually made it up the hill for a snack last night... only one connector inoperative, the rear wiper... ;) should be relatively easy to reconnect... john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 10:13:04 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: fsj: the fsj mag resurfaces haven't really been paying attention to the fsj mag... actually forgot all about it... got a postcard yesterday for http://www.jeepjunkie.com/ and there it is... resurrected to include SJ, ZJ, XJ and maybe the newer "bigger" jeeps... price came down to $12.95/yr from $18. No sign of the originator of the fsj mag though... I doubt I'll sub... no time... john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 17:16:07 +0000 From: "michel balea" Subject: fsj: Re: happiness is a full day of bonyard wrenching Well.... now i remember i have the 1800W generator in case of major disaster..... a big suitcase.... that could be the trick... but still need to check the pnp policy on that M From: "Jim Blair" Reply-To: "Jim Blair" To: FSJ-at-digest.net, john-at-wagoneers.com, xj-at-digest.net Subject: Re: fsj: Fw: [xjlist] happiness is a full day of bonyard wrenching Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 21:20:45 -0700 A: I have a 700 watt inverter (I wish I still had my 1200 kw "suitcase" Yamaha generator) and I have dragged my Exide Orbital battery with me into yards (I run 12VDC drill, plus 110V screwgun and skilsaw off it directly, then use it to start the J4000 when I leave) I used to have a Dewalt multitool kit (skilsaw, drill, grinder and power impact gun) but it disappeared -at-'98 when one of my sons left the garage door open at the house (I also lost the craftsman socket set my son borrowed without asking that I got from my dad) From: "Neal Hoover" Subject: Re: fsj: Fw: [xjlist] happiness is a full day of bonyard wrenching thanks, Michel, and no problems on the "hints!" we had scoped out the yard the weekend prior and knew the problem that we faced. i scratched my head a few days into the week trying to figure out a way to get those seats out. an angle grinder would be the perfect tool, but how to make it run? i was looking for a buddy who may have possibly had a DeWalt battery powered angle grinder, but to no avail. that's when i came up with the Optima/inverter set-up. cheers! Neal A. Hoover Project '76 J-10 Project '96 XJ http://community.webshots.com/user/proj96xj _________________________________________________________________ Live Search Maps ^V find all the local information you need, right when you need it. http://maps.live.com/?icid=hmtag2&FORM=MGAC01 _________________________________________________________________ Mortgage refinance is hot 1) Rates near 30-yr lows 2) Good credit get intro-rate 4.625%* https://www2.nextag.com/goto.jsp?product=100000035&url=%2fst.jsp&tm=y&search=mortgage_text_links_88_h2a5f&s=4056&p=5117&disc=y&vers=743 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 17:19:19 +0000 From: "michel balea" Subject: RE: fsj: lawsuit on low sulfur CA Diesel, early 90s... Lucas..... is this so good? For the euro folks, and british car afficionados... Lucas is the british "electrical god" aka prince of darkness... because they are know to be a 3 points system: off, dim, flicker.... Michel From: "Jim Blair" Reply-To: "Jim Blair" To: john-at-wagoneers.com, FSJ-at-digest.net, xj-at-digest.net Subject: RE: fsj: lawsuit on low sulfur CA Diesel, early 90s... Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 21:41:22 -0700 WOW! I didn't know there was so much going on with diesel! I wonder how well (and long) the older engines will run on ULSD? We sell a LOT of diesel additives in my store (Lucas is one of the favs of CA bound truckers) http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0CYH/is_10_6/ai_86204317 http://www.findarticles.com/p/search?tb=art&qt=Diesel+motor+%2F+Environmental+aspects http://www.etrucker.com/apps/news/article.asp?id=54121 http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0CYH/is_22_4/ai_68361692 http://diesel.legalview.com/ _________________________________________________________________ It^Rs tax season, make sure to follow these few simple tips http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Taxes/PreparationTips/PreparationTips.aspx?icid=HMMartagline _________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE Web site, company branded e-mail and more from Microsoft Office Live! http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/mcrssaub0050001411mrt/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 10:34:14 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: RE: fsj: lawsuit on low sulfur CA Diesel, early 90s... I like it... off, dim, flicker. :) did AMC use Lucas? :) john On Tue, 20 Mar 2007, michel balea wrote: > -->Lucas..... > -->For the euro folks, and british car afficionados... Lucas is the british > -->"electrical god" aka prince of darkness... because they are know to be a 3 > -->points system: off, dim, flicker.... > -->Michel > --> > --> > -->From: "Jim Blair" > -->(and long) the older engines will run on ULSD? We sell a LOT of diesel > -->additives in my store (Lucas is one of the favs of CA bound truckers) ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 16:31:27 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: fsj: '91 GW on a '90 Dodge Cummins? did some math at lunch: WB tread F tread R Length Width W250 131 65.7 63.4 210.78 79.5 J10 118.8 63.3 63.8 195.0 78.9 GW 108.7 58.5 58.5 186.5 73.9 deltaJ10 12.2 2.3 -0.4 16.78 1.4 delta GW 22.3 7.2 4.9 24.28 5.6 this looks like the J10 would be a better thing to drop on the '90 W250 setup... especially since it's in many pieces and has no driveline right now. :) Of course this isn't a done deal yet, haven't even looked at the Cummins setup... not sure I can afford to do this... but it wouldn't be too bad... cut 12.2" out of the Dodge frame, weld in some body mounts, connect the linkages... figure out if the J10 aux tank will work in the Dodge for dual fuel and I'd have a Diesel J10 without too much pain and suffering... If I decided to park the '91 Grand Wag on top of the 3/4T Dodge frame I'd have to cut out almost two feet of Dodge... and then I'd be riding on an ox cart... With the J10 I could pull springs out of the Dodge pack to soften the ride... (could do that on the wag too I guess). If I could wave a magic wand and make all this stuff just happen I'd put the J10 on the Cummins chassis and then put my 6.2L Driveline into the GW... Cold hard reality is put the J10 on the Cummins chassis and sell the GW and the 6.2 setup, keep the Benz and the WJ. hey curtis, what would you rather do? Pop SuperDawg on a running chassis or continue setting up the 6.2L Diesel? I could pull the Dodge cab and bed up here and tow the chassis down there... that is if it would be legal to flat tow the chassis with a tow bar... thoughts? NOTHING definite yet... haven't even looked at the Dodge yet... just a thought... Selling off the pieces I have might cover the costs... might even be less expensive than buying the adapter for the transmission... let's see, I've got the 4.2/t-5/np208 from the dawg, the 4.0L/aw4/custom piece/np219, another 4.2 that's good, another 4.0 that's not good (hey curtis, there isn't a 4.0 down there is there?)... and then the 6.2/700r4 and a damaged gm 208. right? john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 16:29:54 -0700 From: Kevin Subject: Re: fsj: '91 GW on a '90 Dodge Cummins? HAH. I finally have all the pieces to put the weber 38/38 on the 258 in the 74 cherokee. The 83 p!ssed me off for the last time, so it's parked on the trailer, and I'll put a 4.6L stroker in it with a different five speed sometime after things calm down. And I find a willing XJ to give its parts up. And no, that willing XJ isn't my 89. We won't even talk about the spare parts, or the jeeps that keep appearing on the way to work with for sale signs wanting to be bought :) On Tue, Mar 20, 2007 at 04:31:27PM -0700, john wrote: > let's see, I've got the 4.2/t-5/np208 from the dawg, the 4.0L/aw4/custom piece/np219, > another 4.2 that's good, another 4.0 that's not good (hey curtis, there isn't a 4.0 > down there is there?)... and then the 6.2/700r4 and a damaged gm 208. right? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 16:40:02 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: fsj: '91 GW on a '90 Dodge Cummins? I've got a 32/38 sitting on my bench... :) two 4.2s, a 4.0... complete with wiring harness, flex plate even... :) aw4, np231... :) tempt, tempt... you know how to get here... and to my parts depot down south. :) john On Tue, 20 Mar 2007, Kevin wrote: >-->HAH. I finally have all the pieces to put the weber 38/38 on the 258 in the >-->74 cherokee. The 83 p!ssed me off for the last time, so it's parked on the >-->trailer, and I'll put a 4.6L stroker in it with a different five speed >-->sometime after things calm down. And I find a willing XJ to give its parts up. >-->And no, that willing XJ isn't my 89. >--> >-->We won't even talk about the spare parts, or the jeeps that keep appearing >-->on the way to work with for sale signs wanting to be bought :) >--> >-->On Tue, Mar 20, 2007 at 04:31:27PM -0700, john wrote: >-->> let's see, I've got the 4.2/t-5/np208 from the dawg, the 4.0L/aw4/custom piece/np219, >-->> another 4.2 that's good, another 4.0 that's not good (hey curtis, there isn't a 4.0 >-->> down there is there?)... and then the 6.2/700r4 and a damaged gm 208. right? >--> ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 16:43:03 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: fsj: Re: [db] '91 GW on a '90 Dodge Cummins? (fwd) On Tue, 20 Mar 2007, Kevin wrote: >-->Did you suffer from wraparound or something? There has to have been more >-->than 250 :) rofl... had to come up with a number... W250. get it? ;) hey, I've only had 111 vehicles... ;) really bummed that kid backed out on the '01 XJ deal... that deal was flakey from day 1 though... long story, but in a way I'm glad I didn't get involved in that one... at this point I'd have a jeep with no title and have to wait for a long time to get one... not a warm fuzzy feeling about his reliability. I'm liking this idea of the cummins running gear under SuperDawg... sure would make things go a lot faster... just need a bunch of old hockey pucks to make it all work out. ;) john >--> >-->On Tue, Mar 20, 2007 at 04:34:58PM -0700, john wrote: >-->> ok popcorn gang... >-->> >-->> crazy idea #250 >--> ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 23:02:28 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: fsj: adventures under the hood... spent some quality time with Omega... Omega has never run smooth... always had this annoying miss and roughness... felt like crap. Even my beautiful co-pilot noticed it and commented on it... I had replaced the plugs, went to replace the wires before but thought that the ones on it were in good shape... had to replace a couple that broke when I took 'em off... so tonight I stopped at pep boys and got about six feet of vacuum line and decided I'd get this thing running smoothly... Figured I'd use the wires I had purchased, they were the better quality... So I dig in under the hood... what's this? found two vacuum lines totally disconnected, just laying back there... they were as loose as a goose... just flopping around... manifold vacuum... hey, that could affect idle. Then I found two (more) broken spark plug wires and a partride in a pear tree. ok, so I didn't find the bird... starts and idles smooth as can be now... dang, what a couple of feet of vacuum line connected will do for these old boat anchors. ;) also got the rear wiper working... headlights work... alarm starts it right up... but now it doesn't lock/unlock the doors... arghhhhh.... the locks work great manually... oh well... the whole point of the stinkin' alarm was to lock/unlock the door locks... not sure why thieves stole this thing in the first place, but I don't expect a repeat performance. :) well, that was a relaxing evening... 34 degrees outside at 11pm... glad we mowed the lawn on Sunday. :) I actually saw some snow at lunch... we're in the "convergence" zone... so I plan to drive Omega in the morning... which means it won't snow. last time it was marginal like this I took Shadowfax and it snowed... if I bring the Jeep... it won't... any way, you can thank me later for keeping the snow out of Seattle... Jim, don't forget to carry a tow strap tomorrow... or your cell. ;) I'll be some where on 128th... won't be hard to find... just look for the large white object that's holding up traffic... :) john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #2815 **************************