From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Fri Mar 23 12:37:57 2007 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Friday, March 23 2007 Volume 01 : Number 2819 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: [db] Re: fsj: another Diesel dream? Re: [db] Re: fsj: another Diesel dream? Re: [db] Re: fsj: another Diesel dream? Re: fsj: Re: xj: question for Curtis on ATF for the 727 Re: fsj: Re: xj: question for Curtis on ATF for the 727 Re: [db] Re: fsj: another Diesel dream? Re: xj: Re: [db] Re: fsj: another Diesel dream? fsj: '77? Wag gas tank skidplate Re: xj: Re: [db] Re: fsj: another Diesel dream? fsj: sneak preview... (popcorn ready?) Re: [db] Re: fsj: another Diesel dream? fsj: [db] Jeep Parts (fwd) Re: fsj: another Diesel dream? fsj: willys or scout or ??? ... popcorn ready? FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 15:55:23 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] Re: fsj: another Diesel dream? On Thu, 22 Mar 2007, Jim Blair wrote: > -->Specs Stolen from http://www.expeditionlandrover.info/enginePwrSpecs.htm > -->SD33T Diesel 6 cyl, no intercooler > -->Power (KW/HP-at-RPM) > -->105/141 -at- 3800 > -->Torque (NM/LbFt-at-RPM) > -->255/188 -at- 2000 > -->Weight > -->305 KG/ 673 Lbs > -->Notes: > -->SD33 from '76 - '80 International Harvester Scout, SD33T from 1980 only > -->_________________________________________________________________ this doesn't match what I found: Specs for 1980 Turbo Diesel: Make..........................International Harvester Model.........................Scout II Year..........................1980 Engine........................SD33T by Nissan Type..........................4-cycle Diesel Configuration.................Inline 6-cylinder Displacement..................198 cu. in. (3.2 litres) Bore & Stroke.................3.27 x 3.94 in. Compression Ratio.............21:1 Carburetion...................Direct fuel injection Aspiration....................Turbocharged (max boost 6.5 PSI) SAE Net Horsepower............101 -at- 3100 RPM SAE Net Torque (lb/ft)........175 -at- 2200 RPM MPG...........................City: 20 Hiway: 25 Transmission..................Four-speed manual Gear Ratios............1st....4.02:1 2nd....2.41:1 3rd....1.41:1 4th....1.00:1 Final Drive....3.73:1 Transfer Case.................Dana 300 two-speed Gear Ratios............4L.....2.62:1 4H.....1.00:1 Brakes........................Disc/Drum, power assisted Suspension....................Live axles, leaf springs, single shocks Steering......................Power assisted Tire & Wheel size.............30", 15 x 8 Wheelbase.....................100 in. Length........................184.2 in. GVWR..........................6200 lbs. Ground Clearance..............7.6 in. Fuel Capacity.................19 gal. ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 15:58:42 -0700 From: "Jim Blair" Subject: Re: [db] Re: fsj: another Diesel dream? another link or two http://members.aol.com/EldonMcf/sd33t.html http://www.dieselwarden.net/ih/sd-33info.html On Ebay Dang! Why over there? http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/NISSAN-BLUEBIRD-MAXIMA-DIESEL-5-SPEED_W0QQitemZ150103558402 New Mexico Scout http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330100019112 WVO line heater http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270102433639 CJ10 tote in TX http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170093576012 _________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE Web site, company branded e-mail and more from Microsoft Office Live! http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/mcrssaub0050001411mrt/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 16:03:57 -0700 From: "Jim Blair" Subject: Re: [db] Re: fsj: another Diesel dream? A: Someone neglected to read before they posted that on the net. This is straight from the IH manual and available on www.Binderbulletin.org too. On Thu, 22 Mar 2007, Jim Blair wrote: >-->Specs Stolen from http://www.expeditionlandrover.info/enginePwrSpecs.htm >-->SD33T Diesel 6 cyl, no intercooler >-->Power (KW/HP-at-RPM) >-->105/141 -at- 3800 >-->Torque (NM/LbFt-at-RPM) >-->255/188 -at- 2000 >-->Weight >-->305 KG/ 673 Lbs >-->Notes: >-->SD33 from '76 - '80 International Harvester Scout, SD33T from 1980 only >-->_________________________________________________________________ this doesn't match what I found: Specs for 1980 Turbo Diesel: Make..........................International Harvester Model.........................Scout II Year..........................1980 Engine........................SD33T by Nissan Type..........................4-cycle Diesel Configuration.................Inline 6-cylinder Displacement..................198 cu. in. (3.2 litres) Bore & Stroke.................3.27 x 3.94 in. Compression Ratio.............21:1 Carburetion...................Direct fuel injection Aspiration....................Turbocharged (max boost 6.5 PSI) SAE Net Horsepower............101 -at- 3100 RPM SAE Net Torque (lb/ft)........175 -at- 2200 RPM MPG...........................City: 20 Hiway: 25 Transmission..................Four-speed manual Gear Ratios............1st....4.02:1 2nd....2.41:1 3rd....1.41:1 4th....1.00:1 Final Drive....3.73:1 Transfer Case.................Dana 300 two-speed Gear Ratios............4L.....2.62:1 4H.....1.00:1 Brakes........................Disc/Drum, power assisted Suspension....................Live axles, leaf springs, single shocks Steering......................Power assisted Tire & Wheel size.............30", 15 x 8 Wheelbase.....................100 in. Length........................184.2 in. GVWR..........................6200 lbs. Ground Clearance..............7.6 in. Fuel Capacity.................19 gal. _________________________________________________________________ Watch free concerts with Pink, Rod Stewart, Oasis and more. Visit MSN Presents today. http://music.msn.com/presents?icid=ncmsnpresentstagline&ocid=T002MSN03A07001 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 16:07:30 -0700 From: "Jim Blair" Subject: Re: fsj: Re: xj: question for Curtis on ATF for the 727 A: Also Dexron III. Only the early Fords with BW auto ran Type F. The later spec was changed to Dexron/Mercon even for C4 and C6 autos till they got O/D (then along came Mercon V and Mercon V+) From: Dan Black Subject: Re: fsj: Re: xj: question for Curtis on ATF for the 727 OK, that's what a local friend just told me, too -- may have to get that drained and replaced on my '88. So what does the TH400 (on my '74) take? That is, what's compatible that I can buy today? ;) "Jim Blair" said: {- A: You want Dexron III (which is reverse compatible with the old Dexron II) {- _________________________________________________________________ Mortgage refinance is hot 1) Rates near 30-yr lows 2) Good credit get intro-rate 4.625%* https://www2.nextag.com/goto.jsp?product=100000035&url=%2fst.jsp&tm=y&search=mortgage_text_links_88_h2a5f&s=4056&p=5117&disc=y&vers=743 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 16:21:56 -0700 From: Kevin Subject: Re: fsj: Re: xj: question for Curtis on ATF for the 727 The problem with type F mixing with dexron/mercon is that the clutches will detach and become a powder in the pan since they are chemically incompatible. I don't know what the deal with atf +4 is, and don't own any vehicles that use it so I stay away from it. I really only used synthetic ATF in the mercedes transmissions since they were high stall non lockup transmissions. The TH400s, AODs, 727s, and 998s all seem to be fine with what the factory wanted, as long as nobody did anything silly before. On Thu, Mar 22, 2007 at 03:48:49PM -0700, john wrote: > I only use AMSOIL Synthetic ATF... it's compatible > with all of them... kind of scarey that if you put the > wrong kind in that damage could result... makes the price > of amsoil seem well worth the investment, and the benefits > of longevity (the fluid lasts longer) and extra cooling too... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 16:47:17 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] Re: fsj: another Diesel dream? the specs below match the 2nd link in your other email... so the info you have here from the landrover page is wrong. On Thu, 22 Mar 2007, Jim Blair wrote: > -->A: Someone neglected to read before they posted that on the net. This is > -->straight from the IH manual and available on www.Binderbulletin.org too. > --> > --> > -->On Thu, 22 Mar 2007, Jim Blair wrote: > -->> -->Specs Stolen from > -->> -->http://www.expeditionlandrover.info/enginePwrSpecs.htm > -->> -->SD33T Diesel 6 cyl, no intercooler > -->> -->Power (KW/HP-at-RPM) > -->> -->105/141 -at- 3800 > -->> -->Torque (NM/LbFt-at-RPM) > -->> -->255/188 -at- 2000 > -->> -->Weight > -->> -->305 KG/ 673 Lbs > -->> -->Notes: > -->> -->SD33 from '76 - '80 International Harvester Scout, SD33T from 1980 only > -->>-->_________________________________________________________________ > --> > -->this doesn't match what I found: > --> > --> > -->Specs for 1980 Turbo Diesel: > --> > --> Make..........................International Harvester > --> Model.........................Scout II > --> Year..........................1980 > --> Engine........................SD33T by Nissan > --> Type..........................4-cycle Diesel > --> Configuration.................Inline 6-cylinder > --> Displacement..................198 cu. in. (3.2 litres) > --> Bore & Stroke.................3.27 x 3.94 in. > --> Compression Ratio.............21:1 > --> Carburetion...................Direct fuel injection > --> Aspiration....................Turbocharged (max boost 6.5 PSI) > --> SAE Net Horsepower............101 -at- 3100 RPM > --> SAE Net Torque (lb/ft)........175 -at- 2200 RPM > --> MPG...........................City: 20 Hiway: 25 > --> Transmission..................Four-speed manual > --> Gear Ratios............1st....4.02:1 > --> 2nd....2.41:1 > --> 3rd....1.41:1 > --> 4th....1.00:1 > --> Final Drive....3.73:1 > --> Transfer Case.................Dana 300 two-speed > --> Gear Ratios............4L.....2.62:1 > --> 4H.....1.00:1 > --> Brakes........................Disc/Drum, power assisted > --> Suspension....................Live axles, leaf springs, single shocks > --> Steering......................Power assisted > --> Tire & Wheel size.............30", 15 x 8 > --> Wheelbase.....................100 in. > --> Length........................184.2 in. > --> GVWR..........................6200 lbs. > --> Ground Clearance..............7.6 in. > --> Fuel Capacity.................19 gal. > --> > -->_________________________________________________________________ > -->Watch free concerts with Pink, Rod Stewart, Oasis and more. Visit MSN > -->Presents today. > -->http://music.msn.com/presents?icid=ncmsnpresentstagline&ocid=T002MSN03A07001 > --> ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 16:49:48 -0700 From: "Jim Blair" Subject: Re: xj: Re: [db] Re: fsj: another Diesel dream? A: John, look at the chart. (someone didn't convert it correctly) 101 KW -at- 3800 RPM = 143 HP -at- 3800 RPM. From: john Subject: xj: Re: [db] Re: fsj: another Diesel dream? the specs below match the 2nd link in your other email... so the info you have here from the landrover page is wrong. _________________________________________________________________ Exercise your brain! Try Flexicon. http://games.msn.com/en/flexicon/default.htm?icid=flexicon_hmemailtaglinemarch07 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 18:16:05 -0700 From: "Jim Blair" Subject: fsj: '77? Wag gas tank skidplate A: I have a good used skidplate from -at-'77 Cherokee. Soon to go to the scrap metal heap if no-one is interested. _________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE Web site, company branded e-mail and more from Microsoft Office Live! http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/mcrssaub0050001411mrt/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 22:23:10 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: xj: Re: [db] Re: fsj: another Diesel dream? On Thu, 22 Mar 2007, Jim Blair wrote: > -->A: John, look at the chart. (someone didn't convert it correctly) 101 KW -at- > -->3800 RPM = 143 HP -at- 3800 RPM. > -->From: john > -->Subject: xj: Re: [db] Re: fsj: another Diesel dream? > -->the specs below match the 2nd link in your other email... > -->so the info you have here from the landrover page is wrong. nope, you're wrong Jim... just got back from looking at the Scout. STAMPED right on the engine: SAE NET HORSEPOWER 101 HP / 3800 RPM (so actually the specs below have RPM wrong. ;) Specs for 1980 Turbo Diesel: Make..........................International Harvester Model.........................Scout II Year..........................1980 Engine........................SD33T by Nissan Type..........................4-cycle Diesel Configuration.................Inline 6-cylinder Displacement..................198 cu. in. (3.2 litres) Bore & Stroke.................3.27 x 3.94 in. Compression Ratio.............21:1 Carburetion...................Direct fuel injection Aspiration....................Turbocharged (max boost 6.5 PSI) SAE Net Horsepower............101 -at- 3100 RPM SAE Net Torque (lb/ft)........175 -at- 2200 RPM MPG...........................City: 20 Hiway: 25 Transmission..................Four-speed manual Gear Ratios............1st....4.02:1 2nd....2.41:1 3rd....1.41:1 4th....1.00:1 Final Drive....3.73:1 Transfer Case.................Dana 300 two-speed Gear Ratios............4L.....2.62:1 4H.....1.00:1 Brakes........................Disc/Drum, power assisted Suspension....................Live axles, leaf springs, single shocks Steering......................Power assisted Tire & Wheel size.............30", 15 x 8 Wheelbase.....................100 in. Length........................184.2 in. GVWR..........................6200 lbs. Ground Clearance..............7.6 in. Fuel Capacity.................19 gal. 1980. New plastic grille shell with square headlights. Standard window frames and bumpers are black instead of gray. New caster/camber specs for front axle (2.5 degrees and .5 degrees) to improve front tire wear. 15" styled steering wh eel is standard, Nissan Turbo Diesel offered, polycast wheels, 2.72, 3.31, 3.54, and 3.73 were axle ratios, TC-146 Dana 300 transfer case, new air conditioning housing which is full width of dash (introduced during '79 model year). 85mph speedo head in place of 100mph, Scout decals on rear quarters, stick-on vinyl side trim in place of stainless steel, power steering is standard, black manual locking hubs with Scout id, no T-332 or T-427 deep low tra nsmissions in Traveler, Tartan Blue is blue interior color, brushed satin trim on dash. ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 23:32:02 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: fsj: sneak preview... (popcorn ready?) looked at the '80 scout turbo Diesel battery dead, keys not there. :( rougher than I expected for the price... about $9k... snapped some pix... (jim b. note HP rating on the valve cover. ;) I'm first in line though... will test drive in a day or two... supposedly it'll do 75mph with pedal left... 3.73 gears it's not a freeway cruiser, but it has more potential than my '48 cj-2a :) wife won't object... http://www.wagoneers.com/tmp/scout/ALL.html get that popcorn ready, could be an interesting weekend... finally talked to Curtis... he's been working on big trucks for the last month at a trucking company... his win98 computer broke, off the network... promises SuperDawg by mid-summer... said that the 727 takes Dextron II, he used Dextron III and that's when his trans problem started. my wife suggests I put the 6.2 into the Grand Wagoneer... I'm thinking that might just work... the GW is TOGETHER, HERE and doesn't need a tremendous amount of work... While the Scout will be a blast locally it's not a road trippin' machine... wind noise alone would drive me batty before we hit the pass. :) But it'll be a kick with a bikini top... 20 mpg commuting on veggie oil... of course if I put the 6.2 into the GW maybe we could part with the WJ... nah...not likely would put this 360 into SuperDawg, fix it up and maybe hold on to it for a while... with 4.10 gears it would be quite snappy... ;) probably sell it if the GW works out properly... love the dawg, but since I got Omega running properly I've taken a bit more liking to him... the GW has a better turning radius, up to date wiring, etc. Omega and the Scout, along with the WJ... Two Diesels... last of their breeds too... sniff... currently Omega really has a real drinking problem.... :) two trips to work, one trip to Barney's for Pastrami, one trip up the hill... and his low fuel light it on... dang... Shadowfax has gone ten times as far and still has half a tank... (smaller one too!) pass me some popcorn. ;) in other news... noticed that Diesel is LESS than gasoline!!!!! :) here's some local pix... also some old pix... yes, that's burt reynolds, and the guy on the mustang is me... a "few" years back... also the chaplin of the seahawks showing me his new championship ring last weekend. http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2007/03-March-22-misc-jeeps-scenes/ happy Friday. john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 23:57:09 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] Re: fsj: another Diesel dream? On Thu, 22 Mar 2007, jasonbassett-at-juno.com wrote: >-->Yeah, but isn't that going to be a royal pain? Adding AC is >-->no "minimally invasive surgery," and the automatics are often diferent after looking at the scout, but not driving it... thinking, no need for A/C... the top comes off the Scout, would get a rag top or the bikini top for it... would be fun for tooling around town, wheeling... etc. thinking that the scout would replace the willys cj-2a and the J10. put the 6.2 in the GW and replace the Benz. that would leave us with the WJ, GW and the scout... and the trailer. could pull the trailer with all of them... 2 Diesels/veggie oil... GW would be my choice for road trips... scout for short fun trips... wheeling... the cj-2a is almost done... turning out nice... http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2007/03-March-22-misc-jeeps-scenes/Willys/ would put the 360 V8 in the J10, with 4.10s and the V8 ... could be trouble... ;) this will require some popcorn... '99 wj, '91 GW and '80 scout (simple... use the old popcorn oil in two of them... ;) or '99 wj, '91 300d, '91 GW, '83 J10, '48 CJ-2a or '99 wj, '91 300d and '83 J10 and '48 CJ-2a could I really part with shadowfax and superdawg??? ...haven't seen superdawg in six years... carries one passenger... omega is here, carries four or five... shorter wheelbase, tighter turning radius, factory sunroof... reclining seats... GW seems a better option than J10, yeah, the J10 is cooler, but that doesn't impress my bride... :) so, will the sun shine in seattle?? (at least it stops long enough to mow the grass...) hmm.... someone pass the salt... and some butter please... :) any one want to help put the 6.2 in the GW this weekend? I'm caught up on my homework... :) john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 00:29:09 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: fsj: [db] Jeep Parts (fwd) fyi... contact Ben... john There's a wrecking yard near my house in Fort Worth that has several Wagoneers that are going to the scrapper in a couple weeks. If anyone's interested let me know & I'll get the number. IH FOREVER,Ben Maples 1964 C1200 "Boogernational" 1964 C900 1967 1000B Travelall "Big Red" 1968 1300C & Maybe a Scout 80 soon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 00:30:48 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: fsj: another Diesel dream? not refined is an understatement. :) but it looks to be way more fun than the CJ-2A... and more practical... john On Wed, 21 Mar 2007, Kevin wrote: >-->Scouts are pretty wicked beasts, and that vintage is actually quite similar >-->to a full size jeep. Well, except the electrical gremlins ;) >--> >-->Trans is a T-19 if manual, 727 if auto. Turbodiesel scouts are incredibly >-->uncommon. Jim really likes that 3.3L nissan diesel for some reason. They're >-->decent enough I guess. Axles are dana 44 front and rear, think the transfercase >-->is a dana 300. >--> >-->Scout will be two door, and remind you more of a cherokee. Not as many >-->refinements as a GW, and certainly not a pickup. ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 12:35:24 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: fsj: willys or scout or ??? ... popcorn ready? ok... here's the current plan... wife says 6.2 should go in the '91 Grand Wagoneer. works for me. but she says only TWO vehicles... her '99 WJ and my '91 FSJ... but I'm holding out for ONE extra toy... options for the "toy": A - my nearly restored '48 CJ-2A AND trailer (that's two toys, right???) B - yet to be test driven '80 Scout with Turbo Diesel AND trailer C - the '91 300D... AND trailer D - my disassembled '83 J10 stepside (which would get my good 4.2L/weber) a good friend tells me to stay JEEP and skip the scout... but, my friend, it's a DIESEL!!! how can I resist the urge? SO: '99 WJ / '91 GW / and ? A - '48 cj-2a and '75 J10 trailer B - '80 Scout and '75 J10 trailer C - '91 300D and '75 J10 trailer or D - just the '83 J10 Stepside? popcorn? I'm leaning towards D, but like all of the above... :) problems are the 6.2 is NOT in the GW and NOT in Snohomish... the J10 is NOT assembled and the 4.2 is NOT in Centralia... If I can find someone up here to do the swap in Omega I could run the good 4.2 down to Centralia and bring the 6.2 driveline back up here... -o|||||o- http://wagoneers.com/johns-vehicles.html butter with that popcorn? john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #2819 **************************