From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Thu Apr 26 21:00:14 2007 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Friday, April 27 2007 Volume 01 : Number 2838 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: fsj: Re: xj: Re: [db] Daimler/Chrysler article fsj: Re: xj: Re: [db] Daimler/Chrysler article fsj: Re: [WJ-Grand] Re: [db] Daimler/Chrysler article fsj: ok, identify THIS one... Re: fsj: ok, identify THIS one... RE: fsj: Re: [WJ-Grand] Re: [db] Daimler/Chrysler article fsj: taxes and cars FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 16:06:44 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: fsj: Re: xj: Re: [db] Daimler/Chrysler article On Wed, 25 Apr 2007, Tom Moulder wrote: >-->Even though the union shouldn't have that much clout, if any - the union >-->guy wants DM to keep it where it is - I think that's a good thing, I >-->sure wouldn't want GM or Ford get it, or someone who will run it into >-->the ground. I don't like all the decisions Jeep has made since the >-->buyout by DM (moving towards independent front suspensions, demise of >-->the Cherokee, demise of the two-door Unlimited, no 2-door versions of >-->any of it's other Jeeps than Wrangler, creating a 2-wheel drive >-->Wrangler), but I still think they need each other. good notes on the axles/options... chrysler had a number of missteps in the late '80s as well... cancellation of the SJ, the intro of the ZJ, killing off of the MJ... just to name a few... only got worse with DM and the influence of Mercedes on the Jeep brand... it looks like it did some good to the auto part... what little I've looked at them of course... >-->john wrote: >-->>sharing... >-->>john >-->>On Wed, 25 Apr 2007, Jim Hoffman wrote: >-->>>-->Just an FYI for those interested... >-->> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18297557/site/newsweek/ >-->>>-->This article exemplifies why I hate unions. >-->>>-->How embarrassing... >-->>>-->Jim >-->-- >-->tm / Houston / 85 Jeep Cherokee, 2 dr. 2.5L - 5 cyl, 4x4 >-->I don't mind going nowhere as long as it's an interesting path. ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 16:23:54 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: fsj: Re: xj: Re: [db] Daimler/Chrysler article AMC had a relationship with Renault until '87 when Chrysler took over... I know this because they quit producing the XJ Diesel when they change happened. :) also, the quality of the SJs improved around '88 because of the improvements that chrysler made to quality... yes, the ZJ came out in '93... minivan like with crappy chrysler trans... yes, the mj went away in about '92 because it was competing with the dakota... chrysler couldn't see having multiple pickup lines and I think the MJ wasn't selling as well as the other models... john On Wed, 25 Apr 2007, ernest breakfield wrote: > -->wasn't it a little later than that? didn't the ZJ start in '93? and wasn't > -->the MJ available until '92? > --> > --> > -->cheers! > -->e > --> > --> > -->john wrote: > -->> chrysler had a number of missteps in the late '80s as well... cancellation > -->> of the SJ, the intro of the ZJ, killing off of the MJ... just to name > -->> a few... only got worse with DM and the influence of Mercedes on the Jeep > -->> brand... it looks like it did some good to the auto part... what little > -->> I've looked at them of course... > --> > --> ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 19:00:13 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: fsj: Re: [WJ-Grand] Re: [db] Daimler/Chrysler article I just did this a couple of years ago... used a regular wrench or an adjustable, but if I recall correctly it's reverse threaded... if I get a minute I'll walk out to my shop and see if I still have the 4.7L V8 fan clutch assembly... john On Wed, 25 Apr 2007, Don White wrote: >-->How do you break this nut loose? Fan Clutch assembly on a 2000 WJ with 4.0L >--> >-->http://www.itsajeep.org/vBulletin/gallery/files/3/3/7/WJ-Fan003-E.jpg >--> >-->People say special tool required, but no one knows name of tool or where I can purchase such a tool. >--> >-->********************************************************************************* >--> ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 20:40:16 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: fsj: ok, identify THIS one... http://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/car/318417778.html I recognize about two parts on this thing as being what this guy claims it to be... grille and maybe the engine... ;) clutch and brake assy also, so that's three... (really having a hard time getting into my homework... ;) john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 08:12:40 CDT From: Dan Black Subject: Re: fsj: ok, identify THIS one... john said: {- http://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/car/318417778.html {- {- I recognize about two parts on this thing as being what this {- guy claims it to be... grille and maybe the engine... ;) clutch and {- brake assy also, so that's three... Headlights. Of course, the headlights could also be from just about any brand of pickup of the era, too... But the bezel around them does actually look right for the first line of Wagoneers. The windshield _might_ be from an old CJ. Not the '65 Wagoneer, though. $650? That guy must be nuts -- or must think someone else will be. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Organic chemistry is the study of carbon compounds. Biochemistry is the study of carbon compounds that crawl. -- Mike Adams - -------------- Dan Black ------------------------- dan-at-black.org -------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 08:57:33 -0700 From: "Jim Blair" Subject: RE: fsj: Re: [WJ-Grand] Re: [db] Daimler/Chrysler article A: Strap tool for the pulley and a big wrench for the nut. (I don't recall if it's reverse thread or not) On Wed, 25 Apr 2007, Don White wrote: >-->How do you break this nut loose? Fan Clutch assembly on a 2000 WJ with 4.0L >--> >-->http://www.itsajeep.org/vBulletin/gallery/files/3/3/7/WJ-Fan003-E.jpg >--> >-->People say special tool required, but no one knows name of tool or where I can purchase such a tool. >--> >-->********************************************************************************* >--> - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- _________________________________________________________________ Mortgage refinance is Hot. *Terms. Get a 5.375%* fix rate. Check savings https://www2.nextag.com/goto.jsp?product=100000035&url=%2fst.jsp&tm=y&search=mortgage_text_links_88_h2bbb&disc=y&vers=925&s=4056&p=5117 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 20:54:33 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: fsj: taxes and cars Washington state has a wide variety of unusual taxes, which makes sense since it's leadership is heavily composed of liberal democrats from seattle and king county... these taxes add a lot of extra costs to things... especially fuel... our fuel prices are all over $3/gal... Diesel $3.09, unleaded $3.31 and premium something like $3.61 or more... rest of the country is around $2.80. That noted, ran across this news article about a car dealership that added the "B&O" tax to the sale of a used car... the guy evidently sued for the $79.20. B&O is a Business and Occupation tax... I'm surprised that they didn't charge the guy for the other 30 or 40 taxes imposed on businesses as well. :) The washington state tax book is thicker than the federal tax book... thankfully we don't have a state income tax... yet. Note the dissent statement... says a lot... :) I find it interesting to hear how other parts of the country tax things... our best way of reducing our tax burdens is to identify them and try to get our elected leaders to spend responsibly. despite seemingly poor roads in some areas, we do enjoy a pretty decent infrastructure, excellent emergency services and so on... but still... there is a limit to what we can all afford... here's the article: http://www.komoradio.com/news/local/7207976.html By Associated Press OLYMPIA, Wash. (AP) - Car dealers and other businesses can't pass along their state taxes by tacking overhead charges onto a negotiated purchase price, the state Supreme Court ruled Thursday. In a 6-3 decision, justices held that Appleway Volkswagen in Spokane improperly added $79.23 to the price of Herbert Nelson's used Cabriolet. The Volkswagen dealer, which is part of the Appleway Chevrolet Inc. group, argued it was merely itemizing an overhead expense when it added the state business and occupation tax to the agreed price of $16,822. Nelson, however, said Appleway should not be allowed to inflate the negotiated price by passing its business tax to the consumer, who also pays higher sales taxes because of the price bump. The Supreme Court agreed, saying that state law explicitly forbids Appleway's practice of tacking on the state business and occupation tax, also called the B&O tax. "Appleway treated the B&O tax as a tax on customers," when state statute clearly says the tax shouldn't be construed as a charge on consumer purchases, Justice Richard Sanders wrote. The court said Appleway could still recoup its B&O taxes from customers if the charge is made part of the initial purchase price, which is ultimately set by the market. "The $16,822 negotiated between Appleway and Nelson is presumably that market price; Appleway cannot then add its B&O tax liability on top of this final price," Sanders wrote. The ruling upholds lower court decisions that certified a class action in the case and ordered Appleway to stop charging customers its business tax. In a sharply worded dissent, Justice Barbara Madsen said the majority's ruling was illogical and allowed Nelson to improperly enforce the state law with a private legal claim. It doesn't make sense to rule that the B&O tax may be included in the purchase price, but not added after the fact, the dissent said. In any case, customers can always walk away from a deal if they feel they are being overcharged, Madsen wrote. Nelson's claim also shouldn't stand because private parties aren't allowed to enforce the state statute, Madsen said. She was accompanied by Justices Charles Johnson and Jim Johnson. "The majority has turned a fairly simple statute into a complex and ultimately unworkable ban barring sellers from passing on overhead costs to their customers unless they expressly negotiate this particular part of overhead as part of the price," the dissent said. ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #2838 **************************