From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Wed Aug 22 22:25:46 2007 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Thursday, August 23 2007 Volume 01 : Number 2907 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: fsj: SHorty Headers Re: fsj: SHorty Headers Re: fsj: SHorty Headers Re: fsj: SHorty Headers Re: fsj: SHorty Headers fsj: factory style slideback sunroof... fsj: no deal... RE: fsj: Re: xj: Re: xj or sj fsj: Re: xj: 4.0L XJ question fsj: Re: xj: 4.0L XJ question Re: fsj: SHorty Headers Re: fsj: SHorty Headers fsj: getting ready to move and parts for sale Re: fsj: SHorty Headers fsj: My next toy? fsj: exhaust ing... FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 13:53:09 CDT From: Dan Black Subject: Re: fsj: SHorty Headers "michel balea" said: {- where do you get those copper gaskets.... any brand... Well, looking back at my archived emails... I got the Mr. Gasket "Exhaust Gaskets, Header, Copper, Dog Leg Port, AMC, V8, Set", which I couldn't find on Summit via the drill-down search, but which I did find by putting in the part number, and they still seem to have it. It's part number MRG-7174 on their site: http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?part=MRG%2D7174 $28.95 Though it looks like I was wrong about when I got it... The email says it shipped in February 2004. So I've only had them for 3.5yrs. Jeg's has the same set for $1.04 more, $29.99: http://www.jegs.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_10001_10002_744835_-1_10259 Not sure how shipping compares between the two. I usually go with Summit, but if you like Jeg's, there ya go. Jeg's also has a set from SCE for $35.99 that should work: http://www.jegs.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_10001_10002_345616_-1 But those aren't the set I got, so try them at your own risk. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We turn ourselves in now, they'll give us twenty years in the electric chair! -- Mother - -------------- Dan Black ------------------------- dan-at-black.org -------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 19:45:06 +0000 From: "michel balea" Subject: Re: fsj: SHorty Headers I did the soaking for the last hummmmm..... 3 months, pbblaster, knock it loose* (worked really well in Moab to remove the junkyard springs to install on the wagoneer....) I got the kroil.... also... i practiced on the spare rustfree tailgate.... well no rust holes.... i could not remove the limiter straps bolt... they both broke (and i did try the blue wrench)..... arrrrgh... and so did the easy out.... it was good practice.... hummm brake fluid.... i have plenty of that. Michel 74wag From: john try soaking with a variety of penetrants... pbblaster, brake fluid, amsoil mp, liquid wrench... then heat up with a propane torch... (be careful though, you have a potential for a nice bonfire doing this after putting all that flammable stuff on it, combined with the existing oil and gunk... maybe the torch isn't a good idea if you like your truck... :) _________________________________________________________________ Messenger Cafi ^W open for fun 24/7. Hot games, cool activities served daily. Visit now. http://cafemessenger.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_AugHMtagline ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 19:34:48 +0000 From: "michel balea" Subject: Re: fsj: SHorty Headers Thank you. Having parts stored for a few years.... welcome to the club..... i needed to replace the leaky tach input on the moto..... so i ordered the whole set of gaskets.... ($10 locally, the net is cheaper, but then they add a $10-17 handling charge... so....) and when done... i put the wrappers for future references in the moto gasket section.... guess what i did find..... a complete set of tach gasket set...... so now i have a spare.... Michel 74 wag From: Dan Black "michel balea" said: {- where do you get those copper gaskets.... any brand... Well, looking back at my archived emails... I got the Mr. Gasket "Exhaust Gaskets, Header, Copper, Dog Leg Port, AMC, V8, Set", which I couldn't find on Summit via the drill-down search, but which I did find by putting in the part number, and they still seem to have it. It's part number MRG-7174 on their site: http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?part=MRG%2D7174 $28.95 Though it looks like I was wrong about when I got it... The email says it shipped in February 2004. So I've only had them for 3.5yrs. Jeg's has the same set for $1.04 more, $29.99: http://www.jegs.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_10001_10002_744835_-1_10259 Not sure how shipping compares between the two. I usually go with Summit, but if you like Jeg's, there ya go. Jeg's also has a set from SCE for $35.99 that should work: http://www.jegs.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_10001_10002_345616_-1 But those aren't the set I got, so try them at your own risk. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We turn ourselves in now, they'll give us twenty years in the electric chair! -- Mother - -------------- Dan Black ------------------------- dan-at-black.org - -------------- _________________________________________________________________ Learn.Laugh.Share. Reallivemoms is right place! http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM&loc=us ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 16:15:32 CDT From: Dan Black Subject: Re: fsj: SHorty Headers BTW, Michel, did you say you were thinking of using liquid nitrogen to shrink the bolts to get them out? I'd be really careful doing that -- I'd think you'd only be able to get the head of the bolt, and then when you try to twist, it might snap the head of the bolt right off with very little force. And, of course, you'd have to be careful not to drip on hoses and other stuff, especially if you then hit them and shatter them. Not to mention fingers. But if you have access to liquid nitrogen, hopefully you already know that. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are crunchy and good with ketchup. - -------------- Dan Black ------------------------- dan-at-black.org -------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 14:31:37 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: fsj: SHorty Headers they used to sell a freeze spray, basically R12... dang, those were the days... used to use it spray on tv electronics to find problems... ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Mon, 20 Aug 2007, michel balea wrote: # # I did the soaking for the last hummmmm..... 3 months, pbblaster, knock it # loose* (worked really well in Moab to remove the junkyard springs to install # on the wagoneer....) I got the kroil.... also... i practiced on the spare # rustfree tailgate.... well no rust holes.... i could not remove the limiter # straps bolt... they both broke (and i did try the blue wrench)..... # arrrrgh... and so did the easy out.... it was good practice.... hummm brake # fluid.... i have plenty of that. # # Michel # 74wag # # From: john # # try soaking with a variety of penetrants... pbblaster, brake fluid, # amsoil mp, liquid wrench... then heat up with a propane torch... (be # careful though, you have a potential for a nice bonfire doing this # after putting all that flammable stuff on it, combined with the existing # oil and gunk... maybe the torch isn't a good idea if you like your truck... # :) # # _________________________________________________________________ # Messenger Cafi ^W open for fun 24/7. Hot games, cool activities served daily. # Visit now. http://cafemessenger.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_AugHMtagline # # ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 15:34:55 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: fsj: factory style slideback sunroof... just called a local installer, only $1495 to get a slide back, sun screen, under the roof, above the headliner... john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 21:12:48 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: fsj: no deal... looked at two '00s, neither got me going... called and made a low offer on the '99 limited... we're about $1,200 apart... I expect to spend close to $2k on it if I get it... he's in no hurry, neither am I... :) wish the work on my '91 Grand Wagoneer would hurry up though... john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 21:24:55 -0700 From: "Jim Blair" Subject: RE: fsj: Re: xj: Re: xj or sj There are no major issues with the Renix setup if you do stuff to them right when you buy them. Cleaning all underhood (and even in cab) electrical connections makes a big difference. Usually less go wrong with the '89/90 (without the big connector above the brake booster) than the '87/88 but that's fixable. Jim Blair, Kirkland, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10, '73 J4000 (RIP)
From: john Subject: RE: fsj: Re: xj: Re: xj or sj On Mon, 20 Aug 2007, michel balea wrote: # How much vibrations do you expect to endure w the SJ diesel...... just a # thought..... not sure yet... the guy doing the conversion probably hasn't given that a lot of thought... supposed to have been done in May... quite irritating... why is it that people sign up to do things and then don't? got a couple of guys we hired to do a rockery, same kind of nonsense... you want to trust people, but they just don't follow through with promises... what was the question again? # As usual, you need to define what use will the vehicle be assigned to..... In # my case i can load all the camping gears... the spare parts and tools.... # (may be w a newer vehicle i would not have to worry about what will break... # but at least i know that i can get out ) the rear hitch w the off road # moto..... # # For a commuter... the xj is a good bet.... there are plenty of website # dedicated to fixing and modifying them.... forgot about the break point... # which years to avoid.... but we talked about that some time ago.... anything # before 93 to avoid..... I know that we have some members that are very # familiar w Renix.... but for the daily operations... OBD is nice..... and # after 2000 or is it 01. never had any problems with the Renix systems... not sure why that myth exists. have had 12 XJs, all but three were Renix... many of them went over 200k easily. obd was incorporated with the HO engines in late '90. best year is supposedly '96. head issues '96-'00. early ho motors had piston slap issues, '90-'93 or so. overall, the 4.0L is solid, reliable, but may eat rear main seals and mark it's territory... :) _________________________________________________________________ Tease your brain--play Clink! Win cool prizes! http://club.live.com/clink.aspx?icid=clink_hotmailtextlink2 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 21:33:16 -0700 From: "Jim Blair" Subject: fsj: Re: xj: 4.0L XJ question A: The dist went away mid '99, starting in CA then the rest of the country. From: john Subject: xj: 4.0L XJ question what year do the XJs get the distributorless 4.0? the '99 I looked at today had wires... or was that only a WJ thing? john _________________________________________________________________ Learn.Laugh.Share. Reallivemoms is right place! http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM&loc=us ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 21:45:45 -0700 From: "Jim Blair" Subject: fsj: Re: xj: 4.0L XJ question The multi-coil head cracks, but so do the '96 to '99 heads (if overheated). The difference is the late model ones sometimes crack WITHOUT overheating! (I think they suffered from a poor casting) Jim Blair, Kirkland, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10, '73 J4000 (RIP)
From: john Subject: Re: xj: 4.0L XJ question makes sense... the '99 limited was made 8/98. strike two for the red '99. :) or is that a plus? working on the individual coil engines aren't too bad... have had a couple of 4.7V8s and one 4.0 with that setup, pretty simple... john _________________________________________________________________ A new home for Mom, no cleanup required. All starts here. http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM&loc=us ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 05:59:07 +0000 From: "michel balea" Subject: Re: fsj: SHorty Headers The idea was to give the bolt a deeper thermal cycle to loosen rust and what not.... and wait for a few minutes Liquid N2 is good... otherwise dry ice w some alcohol, makes for a cool mix as well. Michel 74 wag From: Dan BTW, Michel, did you say you were thinking of using liquid nitrogen to shrink the bolts to get them out? I'd be really careful doing that -- I'd think you'd only be able to get the head of the bolt, and then when you try to twist, it might snap the head of the bolt right off with very little force. And, of course, you'd have to be careful not to drip on hoses and other stuff, especially if you then hit them and shatter them. Not to mention fingers. But if you have access to liquid nitrogen, hopefully you already know that. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are crunchy and good with ketchup. - -------------- Dan Black ------------------------- dan-at-black.org - -------------- _________________________________________________________________ See what you^Rre getting into^Ebefore you go there http://newlivehotmail.com/?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_viral_preview_0507 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 06:01:55 +0000 From: "michel balea" Subject: Re: fsj: SHorty Headers I remember those days.... we used R12 (cases of it, before the ozone layer was in the news) .... to freeze whole organs... so they would be easier to slice.... and yes, we used your butcher meat slicer.... Michel 74wag From: john they used to sell a freeze spray, basically R12... dang, those were the days... used to use it spray on tv electronics to find problems... _________________________________________________________________ Learn.Laugh.Share. Reallivemoms is right place! http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM&loc=us ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 23:09:34 -0700 From: "Jim Blair" Subject: fsj: getting ready to move and parts for sale Finally putting my leftover collection of stuff on the block. I need a comprehensive list of what I have, but will post a link to my http://seattle.craigslist.org craig's list posts later. First on the block is the T5 setup from my '83 J10 (synchros are most likely welded to the shaft from lack of oil) Asking $200 for the works. That's bellhousing, trans core, flywheel and clutch, starter, clutch/brake pedals and mechanical linkage and even the front driveshaft if needed (rear may be shortened for my AW4/NP208J with D60 swap in my '83) Trans crossbar included too. Preference given to it NOT being shipped as my time is being sucked up by getting ready to move, build a cabin and work as well as fix my own wheels before my Spirit needs more work (right rear wheel bearing is due soon by the leak and whine from that area) More stuff to come! Jim Blair, Kirkland, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10, '73 J4000 (RIP)
_________________________________________________________________ A new home for Mom, no cleanup required. All starts here. http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM&loc=us ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 06:30:07 CDT From: Dan Black Subject: Re: fsj: SHorty Headers "michel balea" said: {- The idea was to give the bolt a deeper thermal cycle to loosen rust and what {- not.... and wait for a few minutes Ah, that makes more sense, then. I pictured spraying the bolt head and basically only getting that cold, then trying immediately to unscrew it, which I imagine would make it brittle and prone to snapping the head off. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? - -------------- Dan Black ------------------------- dan-at-black.org -------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 10:16:24 -0700 From: "Jim Blair" Subject: fsj: My next toy? http://www.litvina.com/app/vip1.html Probably be a bearcat to bring over here. Maybe I could track down the Bombardier I saw for sale a couple years back in BC. _________________________________________________________________ More photos, more messages, more storage^Wget 2GB with Windows Live Hotmail. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_2G_0507 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 20:38:48 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: fsj: exhaust ing... put the old blue look alike up on ramps in the carport... could feel exhaust coming out of the middle of the passenger side manifold... actually more than what was coming out of the tailpipe... leading me to believe the cat is clogged.... I'm not talking about the orange cat laying on my left hand while I try to type this email... if he starts to act clogged or like he's going to unclog, he gets a quick escort out of my office. ;) anyway, I started going through my parts... found the driver's side exhaust manifold... can't find the passenger's side... question is did I give it to someone??? Jim? Curtis? some stranger with a 360 who mentioned he had a 360? and if so, why didn't I give him (or her) the passenger side as well... which makes me think that some where in that carport exists the better half... have a midterm friday night... school saturday... I'll be lucky if I get the rear driveshaft back on this thing... was going to drop more of the headliner to get the sunroof closed... project plan: - - get sunroof closed - - unplug cat, replace manifold - - compression test - hoping for something simple, it runs pretty good.. - - reattach rear driveshaft - - have it detailed (exterior) - - evaluate/repair headliner - - replace carpeting - - new tires in other news, just read an article that states: The median price for a home in King County is $481,000. if we have another summer(???) like this one maybe folks will leave. I'm thinking of filing a missing season report... been up here since '85, don't ever recall seeing such a cool wet summer like this one... so, Brian, congrats on getting the A/C fixed in your Jeep... 92 in the evening??? wow... if we got the full sun, and it was out all day long even, it would have trouble doing that... john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #2907 **************************