From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Fri Oct 19 10:40:04 2007 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Friday, October 19 2007 Volume 01 : Number 2938 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: fsj: Re: [db] diesel vs. gas RE: fsj: Re: [db] diesel vs. gas RE: fsj: Re: [db] diesel vs. gas RE: fsj: Re: [db] diesel vs. gas RE: fsj: Re: [db] diesel vs. gas RE: fsj: Re: [db] diesel vs. gas Re: [db] Re: xj: RE: fsj: fuel costs and wheel options... FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 09:54:44 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: fsj: Re: [db] diesel vs. gas that TCO is a challenge... which way does one look at the numbers? :) I keep coming back to the fact that I can set up the '91 Grand Wagoneer to run straight veggie oil, biodiesel, jet fuel, kerosene, peanut oil, or whatever... :) the only thing better than a Diesel GWag would be a Diesel XJ, WJ or maybe a Land Cruiser. :) Well, if money wasn't a problem, a new 320CDI in a 4wd config would be nice... but the only vehicles that could work with a dual tank setup might be the GW and the Cruiser... john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Thu, 18 Oct 2007, Kevin wrote: # The oil companies know that I am going to have to tow some cars in the next # couple of weeks, and know that the 440 powered dually and 401 powered cherokee # aren't up to the task, requiring me to take a diesel. # # Also, I have to pick up a diesel landcruiser from new mexico. # # The upside is the price of diesel benzes is starting to come down as people # who can't do total cost of ownership calculations aren't interested in # having them anymore. # # On Wed, Oct 17, 2007 at 10:54:30PM -0700, john wrote: # > just noticed that Diesel is now $3.52 and unleaded is 3.07... # > # > what's going on??? # ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 10:03:16 -0700 From: Jim Blair Subject: RE: fsj: Re: [db] diesel vs. gas I found a good running 240D with auto for $900. It has about $600 in tires and rims on it. tempting! Written laws are like spiders' webs, and will like them only Entangle and hold the poor and weak, while the rich and powerful will easily break through them ANACHARSIS Scythian philosopher (fl. 600 BC) > Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 09:54:44 -0700 > From: john-at-wagoneers.com > To: kevin-at-mordred.punk.net > CC: fsj-at-digest.net; xj-at-digest.net; diesel-benz-at-digest.net > Subject: fsj: Re: [db] diesel vs. gas > > that TCO is a challenge... which way does one look at > the numbers? :) > > I keep coming back to the fact that I can set up the '91 Grand Wagoneer > to run straight veggie oil, biodiesel, jet fuel, kerosene, peanut oil, > or whatever... :) > > the only thing better than a Diesel GWag would be a Diesel XJ, WJ or > maybe a Land Cruiser. :) Well, if money wasn't a problem, a new > 320CDI in a 4wd config would be nice... but the only vehicles that > could work with a dual tank setup might be the GW and the Cruiser... > > john > > ----- > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > On Thu, 18 Oct 2007, Kevin wrote: > > # The oil companies know that I am going to have to tow some cars in the next > # couple of weeks, and know that the 440 powered dually and 401 powered cherokee > # aren't up to the task, requiring me to take a diesel. > # > # Also, I have to pick up a diesel landcruiser from new mexico. > # > # The upside is the price of diesel benzes is starting to come down as people > # who can't do total cost of ownership calculations aren't interested in > # having them anymore. > # > # On Wed, Oct 17, 2007 at 10:54:30PM -0700, john wrote: > # > just noticed that Diesel is now $3.52 and unleaded is 3.07... > # > > # > what's going on??? > # _________________________________________________________________ Boo! Scare away worms, viruses and so much more! Try Windows Live OneCare! http://onecare.live.com/standard/en-us/purchase/trial.aspx?s_cid=wl_hotmailne ws ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 10:27:14 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: RE: fsj: Re: [db] diesel vs. gas what year? would make a good driveline for an XJ... divorced xfr case setup using the benz output flange welded to an input into a stock xfr case... won't be fast, but should get upper 20's to 30mpg... reliable... on a scale you can not fathom... :) ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Thu, 18 Oct 2007, Jim Blair wrote: # I found a good running 240D with auto for $900. It has about $600 in tires and rims on it. # tempting! # # Written laws are like spiders' webs, and will like them only Entangle and hold the poor and weak, while the rich and powerful will easily break through them ANACHARSIS Scythian philosopher (fl. 600 BC) # # > Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 09:54:44 -0700 # > From: john-at-wagoneers.com # > To: kevin-at-mordred.punk.net # > CC: fsj-at-digest.net; xj-at-digest.net; diesel-benz-at-digest.net # > Subject: fsj: Re: [db] diesel vs. gas # > # > that TCO is a challenge... which way does one look at # > the numbers? :) # > # > I keep coming back to the fact that I can set up the '91 Grand Wagoneer # > to run straight veggie oil, biodiesel, jet fuel, kerosene, peanut oil, # > or whatever... :) # > # > the only thing better than a Diesel GWag would be a Diesel XJ, WJ or # > maybe a Land Cruiser. :) Well, if money wasn't a problem, a new # > 320CDI in a 4wd config would be nice... but the only vehicles that # > could work with a dual tank setup might be the GW and the Cruiser... # > # > john # > # > ----- # > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** # > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # > # > On Thu, 18 Oct 2007, Kevin wrote: # > # > # The oil companies know that I am going to have to tow some cars in the next # > # couple of weeks, and know that the 440 powered dually and 401 powered cherokee # > # aren't up to the task, requiring me to take a diesel. # > # # > # Also, I have to pick up a diesel landcruiser from new mexico. # > # # > # The upside is the price of diesel benzes is starting to come down as people # > # who can't do total cost of ownership calculations aren't interested in # > # having them anymore. # > # # > # On Wed, Oct 17, 2007 at 10:54:30PM -0700, john wrote: # > # > just noticed that Diesel is now $3.52 and unleaded is 3.07... # > # > # > # > what's going on??? # > # # # _________________________________________________________________ # Boo! Scare away worms, viruses and so much more! Try Windows Live OneCare! # http://onecare.live.com/standard/en-us/purchase/trial.aspx?s_cid=wl_hotmailne ws ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 00:24:43 -0700 From: Jim Blair Subject: RE: fsj: Re: [db] diesel vs. gas More reliable than 150,000 miles with nothing but plugs and oil changes and filters for $500? (well, tires, but that's because I made mods) For some reason it stalled on him on the way to work yesterday. (there's that reliability thing) Speaking of reliable, our power is out but my new Champion Generator is allowing me to post this wirelessly. Written laws are like spiders' webs, and will like them only Entangle and hold the poor and weak, while the rich and powerful will easily break through them ANACHARSIS Scythian philosopher (fl. 600 BC) > Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 10:27:14 -0700 > From: john-at-wagoneers.com > To: carnuck1-at-msn.com > CC: kevin-at-mordred.punk.net; fsj-at-digest.net; xj-at-digest.net; diesel-benz-at-digest.net > Subject: RE: fsj: Re: [db] diesel vs. gas > > what year? > > would make a good driveline for an XJ... divorced xfr case setup > using the benz output flange welded to an input into a stock xfr case... > > won't be fast, but should get upper 20's to 30mpg... reliable... on > a scale you can not fathom... :) > > ----- > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > On Thu, 18 Oct 2007, Jim Blair wrote: > > # I found a good running 240D with auto for $900. It has about $600 in tires > and rims on it. > # tempting! > # > # Written laws are like spiders' webs, and will > > like them only Entangle and hold the poor and > > weak, while the rich and powerful will easily > > break through them > > > > ANACHARSIS Scythian philosopher (fl. 600 BC) > # > # > Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 09:54:44 -0700 > # > From: john-at-wagoneers.com > # > To: kevin-at-mordred.punk.net > # > CC: fsj-at-digest.net; xj-at-digest.net; diesel-benz-at-digest.net > # > Subject: fsj: Re: [db] diesel vs. gas > # > > # > that TCO is a challenge... which way does one look at > # > the numbers? :) > # > > # > I keep coming back to the fact that I can set up the '91 Grand Wagoneer > # > to run straight veggie oil, biodiesel, jet fuel, kerosene, peanut oil, > # > or whatever... :) > # > > # > the only thing better than a Diesel GWag would be a Diesel XJ, WJ or > # > maybe a Land Cruiser. :) Well, if money wasn't a problem, a new > # > 320CDI in a 4wd config would be nice... but the only vehicles that > # > could work with a dual tank setup might be the GW and the Cruiser... > # > > # > john > # > > # > ----- > # > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > # > http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** > # > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > # > > # > On Thu, 18 Oct 2007, Kevin wrote: > # > > # > # The oil companies know that I am going to have to tow some cars in the > next > # > # couple of weeks, and know that the 440 powered dually and 401 powered > cherokee > # > # aren't up to the task, requiring me to take a diesel. > # > # > # > # Also, I have to pick up a diesel landcruiser from new mexico. > # > # > # > # The upside is the price of diesel benzes is starting to come down as > people > # > # who can't do total cost of ownership calculations aren't interested in > # > # having them anymore. > # > # > # > # On Wed, Oct 17, 2007 at 10:54:30PM -0700, john wrote: > # > # > just noticed that Diesel is now $3.52 and unleaded is 3.07... > # > # > > # > # > what's going on??? > # > # > # > # _________________________________________________________________ > # Boo! Scare away worms, viruses and so much more! Try Windows Live OneCare! > # > http://onecare.live.com/standard/en-us/purchase/trial.aspx?s_cid=wl_hotmailne > ws _________________________________________________________________ Peek-a-boo FREE Tricks & Treats for You! http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM&loc=us ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 00:24:20 -0700 From: Jim Blair Subject: RE: fsj: Re: [db] diesel vs. gas More reliable than 150,000 miles with nothing but plugs and oil changes and filters for $500? (well, tires, but that's because I made mods) For some reason it stalled on him on the way to work yesterday. (there's that reliability thing) Speaking of reliable, our power is out but my new Champoin Generator is allowing me to post this wirelessly. Written laws are like spiders' webs, and will like them only Entangle and hold the poor and weak, while the rich and powerful will easily break through them ANACHARSIS Scythian philosopher (fl. 600 BC) > Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 10:27:14 -0700 > From: john-at-wagoneers.com > To: carnuck1-at-msn.com > CC: kevin-at-mordred.punk.net; fsj-at-digest.net; xj-at-digest.net; diesel-benz-at-digest.net > Subject: RE: fsj: Re: [db] diesel vs. gas > > what year? > > would make a good driveline for an XJ... divorced xfr case setup > using the benz output flange welded to an input into a stock xfr case... > > won't be fast, but should get upper 20's to 30mpg... reliable... on > a scale you can not fathom... :) > > ----- > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > On Thu, 18 Oct 2007, Jim Blair wrote: > > # I found a good running 240D with auto for $900. It has about $600 in tires > and rims on it. > # tempting! > # > # Written laws are like spiders' webs, and will > > like them only Entangle and hold the poor and > > weak, while the rich and powerful will easily > > break through them > > > > ANACHARSIS Scythian philosopher (fl. 600 BC) > # > # > Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 09:54:44 -0700 > # > From: john-at-wagoneers.com > # > To: kevin-at-mordred.punk.net > # > CC: fsj-at-digest.net; xj-at-digest.net; diesel-benz-at-digest.net > # > Subject: fsj: Re: [db] diesel vs. gas > # > > # > that TCO is a challenge... which way does one look at > # > the numbers? :) > # > > # > I keep coming back to the fact that I can set up the '91 Grand Wagoneer > # > to run straight veggie oil, biodiesel, jet fuel, kerosene, peanut oil, > # > or whatever... :) > # > > # > the only thing better than a Diesel GWag would be a Diesel XJ, WJ or > # > maybe a Land Cruiser. :) Well, if money wasn't a problem, a new > # > 320CDI in a 4wd config would be nice... but the only vehicles that > # > could work with a dual tank setup might be the GW and the Cruiser... > # > > # > john > # > > # > ----- > # > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > # > http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** > # > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > # > > # > On Thu, 18 Oct 2007, Kevin wrote: > # > > # > # The oil companies know that I am going to have to tow some cars in the > next > # > # couple of weeks, and know that the 440 powered dually and 401 powered > cherokee > # > # aren't up to the task, requiring me to take a diesel. > # > # > # > # Also, I have to pick up a diesel landcruiser from new mexico. > # > # > # > # The upside is the price of diesel benzes is starting to come down as > people > # > # who can't do total cost of ownership calculations aren't interested in > # > # having them anymore. > # > # > # > # On Wed, Oct 17, 2007 at 10:54:30PM -0700, john wrote: > # > # > just noticed that Diesel is now $3.52 and unleaded is 3.07... > # > # > > # > # > what's going on??? > # > # > # > # _________________________________________________________________ > # Boo! Scare away worms, viruses and so much more! Try Windows Live OneCare! > # > http://onecare.live.com/standard/en-us/purchase/trial.aspx?s_cid=wl_hotmailne > ws _________________________________________________________________ Peek-a-boo FREE Tricks & Treats for You! http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM&loc=us ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 08:20:01 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: RE: fsj: Re: [db] diesel vs. gas fuel filters... ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Fri, 19 Oct 2007, Jim Blair wrote: # More reliable than 150,000 miles with nothing but plugs and oil changes and filters for $500? (well, tires, but that's because I made mods) # For some reason it stalled on him on the way to work yesterday. (there's that reliability thing) # Speaking of reliable, our power is out but my new Champion Generator is allowing me to post this wirelessly. # # Written laws are like spiders' webs, and will like them only Entangle and hold the poor and weak, while the rich and powerful will easily break through them ANACHARSIS Scythian philosopher (fl. 600 BC) # # > Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 10:27:14 -0700 # > From: john-at-wagoneers.com # > To: carnuck1-at-msn.com # > CC: kevin-at-mordred.punk.net; fsj-at-digest.net; xj-at-digest.net; diesel-benz-at-digest.net # > Subject: RE: fsj: Re: [db] diesel vs. gas # > # > what year? # > # > would make a good driveline for an XJ... divorced xfr case setup # > using the benz output flange welded to an input into a stock xfr case... # > # > won't be fast, but should get upper 20's to 30mpg... reliable... on # > a scale you can not fathom... :) # > # > ----- # > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** # > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # > # > On Thu, 18 Oct 2007, Jim Blair wrote: # > # > # I found a good running 240D with auto for $900. It has about $600 in tires # > and rims on it. # > # tempting! # > # # > # Written laws are like spiders' webs, and will # > # > like them only Entangle and hold the poor and # > # > weak, while the rich and powerful will easily # > # > break through them # > # > # > # > ANACHARSIS Scythian philosopher (fl. 600 BC) # > # # > # > Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 09:54:44 -0700 # > # > From: john-at-wagoneers.com # > # > To: kevin-at-mordred.punk.net # > # > CC: fsj-at-digest.net; xj-at-digest.net; diesel-benz-at-digest.net # > # > Subject: fsj: Re: [db] diesel vs. gas # > # > # > # > that TCO is a challenge... which way does one look at # > # > the numbers? :) # > # > # > # > I keep coming back to the fact that I can set up the '91 Grand Wagoneer # > # > to run straight veggie oil, biodiesel, jet fuel, kerosene, peanut oil, # > # > or whatever... :) # > # > # > # > the only thing better than a Diesel GWag would be a Diesel XJ, WJ or # > # > maybe a Land Cruiser. :) Well, if money wasn't a problem, a new # > # > 320CDI in a 4wd config would be nice... but the only vehicles that # > # > could work with a dual tank setup might be the GW and the Cruiser... # > # > # > # > john # > # > # > # > ----- # > # > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # > # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > # > http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** # > # > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # > # > # > # > On Thu, 18 Oct 2007, Kevin wrote: # > # > # > # > # The oil companies know that I am going to have to tow some cars in the # > next # > # > # couple of weeks, and know that the 440 powered dually and 401 powered # > cherokee # > # > # aren't up to the task, requiring me to take a diesel. # > # > # # > # > # Also, I have to pick up a diesel landcruiser from new mexico. # > # > # # > # > # The upside is the price of diesel benzes is starting to come down as # > people # > # > # who can't do total cost of ownership calculations aren't interested in # > # > # having them anymore. # > # > # # > # > # On Wed, Oct 17, 2007 at 10:54:30PM -0700, john wrote: # > # > # > just noticed that Diesel is now $3.52 and unleaded is 3.07... # > # > # > # > # > # > what's going on??? # > # > # # > # # > # _________________________________________________________________ # > # Boo! Scare away worms, viruses and so much more! Try Windows Live OneCare! # > # # > http://onecare.live.com/standard/en-us/purchase/trial.aspx?s_cid=wl_hotmailne # > ws # # _________________________________________________________________ # Peek-a-boo FREE Tricks & Treats for You! # http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM&loc=us ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 10:39:31 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] Re: xj: RE: fsj: fuel costs and wheel options... On Fri, 19 Oct 2007, Stephen Rigley wrote: http://www.irishfuelprices.com/diesel.php so, if I'm reading this correctly, it's about 1.10 Euro / liter... so that's 3.785 * 1.10 * (conversion rate) = $/gal. busy, will do the math later, but it looks to be around $4.50/gallon give or take a bit... I tanked up last night at $3.56/gallon!!!!! Had a windstorm on the way, still had almost 1/2 a tank, but decided to top off... Unleaded was "only" at $3.08/gal. Interestingly enough it appears our fuel costs more in Washington state than in California... possibly the highest in the US... gotta love those tree huggers in olympia... :) ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #2938 **************************