From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Sun Apr 20 20:08:44 2008 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Monday, April 21 2008 Volume 01 : Number 3059 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: fsj: Super Wagoneer For Sale Re: Fwd: Re: fsj: Howdy, noobie intro and a few questions. Re: fsj: Super Wagoneer For Sale Re: fsj: Super Wagoneer For Sale RE: fsj: Howdy, noobie intro and a few questions. RE: fsj: Howdy, noobie intro and a few questions. RE: fsj: Howdy, noobie intro and a few questions. fsj: RE:Howdy, noobie intro and a few questions. FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 11:15:16 -0700 From: "Jim Rogers" Subject: fsj: Super Wagoneer For Sale Anybody looking for a good restoration project? I have a 1967 Super Wagoneer that I found several years ago with every intention of restoring it. I have gathered all the missing parts, and pulled the engine with the intent of rebuilding it. Well, it has been sitting idle in my driveway for about two years now, without an engine, and it needs to go. I no longer have the time or money to deal with it. The original 327 engine is out and disassembled. It needs one new rod and a crank to make it run again. The TH400 is still in it. I have attached some pictures, but I have several more if you are interested. It will have to be towed or trailered from Southworth/Port Orchard, WA. Title is clear and vintage Washington plates are registered to it. Asking $700.00, you haul. Jim [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/x-zip-compressed which had a name of 67 super wagoneer.zip] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 11:30:35 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: fsj: Howdy, noobie intro and a few questions. both the 228 and 229 are full time units, can be driven on hard surfaces. I know for certain the 229 has a viscous coupler, and, after checking the 228 is a differentiated unit based on the parts manuals... (I had looked at a jeep parts catalog that listed both 228 and 229 together and that was WRONG...) ================================================== actually, here's what I have... oh interesting, part number 3 is called "differential": http://wagoneers.com/JEEPS/tech/TRANSFER-CASES/NP228.jpg and the factory manual calls the same part "viscous coupler": http://wagoneers.com/JEEPS/tech/TRANSFER-CASES/NP229/NP229-82supplement.JPG ================================================== other discussions: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/tech/TransferCase/np228-np229.txt http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/tech/NP219-viscous.txt http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/tech/TransferCase/ http://wagoneers.com/JEEPS/tech/TRANSFER-CASES/ ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com ** http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Sat, 19 Apr 2008, griggy-at-dslnorthwest.net wrote: # I think that the 228 does have the differential as the front axle # doesn't have the disconnect on the left front, at least mine doesn't. # From what I've read about the 229, that would spell disaster. # # Just curious... # # GAS # ----- Forwarded message from john-at-wagoneers.com ----- # Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 00:29:00 -0700 (PDT) # From: john # Reply-To: john # Subject: Re: fsj: Howdy, noobie intro and a few questions. # To: griggy-at-dslnorthwest.net # Cc: fsj-digest-at-digest.net # # the 228 is supposed to be better than the 229, I believe # that both are viscous coupled, but someone thought the 228 # was differentiated, but my parts manual shows a viscous # coupler in both... my '91 was retrofitted with a 228. # # would NOT recommend headers unless you're planning # on setting a world land speed record or operating # at 4,500 rpm or above all day. :) just replace # the gaskets and use NEW bolts. It's an AMC 360 # thing, you'll be tightening intake /exhaust bolts # until you put something else in it. :) # # bjsoffroad is a good source for a lot of that stuff. :) # # john # # # # ----- # ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # http://wagoneers.com ** http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ ** # ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # # # On Fri, 18 Apr 2008, griggy-at-dslnorthwest.net wrote: # # # My first Jeep! # # # # A 1986 Grand Wagoneer, the previous owner had the wood trim stripped # # off and had it squirted (by Maaco unfortunatly) Chrysler Gold. Not # # perfect but it looks kind of retro. I will post pictures in a few days. # # # # Work done in the first week: Proper throttle cable installed; 4WD # # system and Hi/Low shifter excercised for the first time in years; # # passed DEQ and registered; Carburetor out for rebuild to correct a # # flakey choke and a frozen accelerator pump; parts list made out to # # replace all the door and window seals; ordered a copy of the Factory # # Service Manual; bought parts for rear shoulder belt upgrade (gotta # # protect the babies); FJS stickers ordered. # # # # A few questions though: Why did the 1986 wagoneers go with the 228 # # transfer case instead of using the 229? # # # # I have a few exhaust leaks to fix, if I get too involved I will # # probably switch to headers. Any recommendations? # # # # The front seats need to be re upholstered and I can't find replacement # # skins, any experience or suggestions? # # # # Thanks in advance. # # # # GAS # # # # Gregg A. Schwabauer # # Portland, OR # # # # # ----- End forwarded message ----- # ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 11:31:44 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: fsj: Super Wagoneer For Sale Jim, send the pictures to me off list and I'll build you a page... john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com ** http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Sat, 19 Apr 2008, Jim Rogers wrote: # Anybody looking for a good restoration project? I have a 1967 Super # Wagoneer that I found several years ago with every intention of restoring # it. I have gathered all the missing parts, and pulled the engine with the # intent of rebuilding it. Well, it has been sitting idle in my driveway for # about two years now, without an engine, and it needs to go. I no longer # have the time or money to deal with it. The original 327 engine is out and # disassembled. It needs one new rod and a crank to make it run again. The # TH400 is still in it. I have attached some pictures, but I have several # more if you are interested. It will have to be towed or trailered from # Southworth/Port Orchard, WA. Title is clear and vintage Washington plates # are registered to it. Asking $700.00, you haul. # # # # Jim # # [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/x-zip-compressed which had a name of 67 super wagoneer.zip] # ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 11:51:19 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: fsj: Super Wagoneer For Sale http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/rigs/67-SuperWagoneer/ (if you part this thing I have dibbs on the console and shifter... :) john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com ** http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Sat, 19 Apr 2008, JIM ROGERS wrote: # Here ya go. # # >From: john # >To: Jim Rogers # >CC: fsj-at-digest.net # >Subject: Re: fsj: Super Wagoneer For Sale # >Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 11:31:44 -0700 (PDT) # > # >Jim, send the pictures to me off list and I'll build you a page... # > # >john # > # > ----- # >---------------------------------------------------------------------- # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > http://wagoneers.com ** http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ ** # >---------------------------------------------------------------------- # > # > # >On Sat, 19 Apr 2008, Jim Rogers wrote: # > # > # Anybody looking for a good restoration project? I have a 1967 Super # > # Wagoneer that I found several years ago with every intention of # >restoring # > # it. I have gathered all the missing parts, and pulled the engine with # >the # > # intent of rebuilding it. Well, it has been sitting idle in my driveway # >for # > # about two years now, without an engine, and it needs to go. I no longer # > # have the time or money to deal with it. The original 327 engine is out # >and # > # disassembled. It needs one new rod and a crank to make it run again. # >The # > # TH400 is still in it. I have attached some pictures, but I have several # > # more if you are interested. It will have to be towed or trailered from # > # Southworth/Port Orchard, WA. Title is clear and vintage Washington # >plates # > # are registered to it. Asking $700.00, you haul. # > # # > # # > # # > # Jim # > # # > #[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type # >application/x-zip-compressed which had a name of 67 super wagoneer.zip] # > # # # ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 18:15:48 -0700 From: Jim Blair Subject: RE: fsj: Howdy, noobie intro and a few questions. The 228 and 229 are exactly the same EXCEPT the viscous coupler. The front yoke is different between the XJ and FSJ versions of these 2, and even the '82 to '88 AMC Eagle tcases are a match (except they have no low range) > Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 11:30:35 -0700 > From: john-at-wagoneers.com > To: griggy-at-dslnorthwest.net > CC: xj-at-digest.net; fsj-digest-at-digest.net > Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: fsj: Howdy, noobie intro and a few questions. > > both the 228 and 229 are full time units, can be driven on hard surfaces. > > I know for certain the 229 has a viscous coupler, > and, after checking the 228 is a differentiated unit based on the parts manuals... > > (I had looked at a jeep parts catalog that listed both 228 and 229 together and that > was WRONG...) > > ================================================== > actually, here's what I have... > > oh interesting, part number 3 is called "differential": > http://wagoneers.com/JEEPS/tech/TRANSFER-CASES/NP228.jpg > > and the factory manual calls the same part "viscous coupler": > http://wagoneers.com/JEEPS/tech/TRANSFER-CASES/NP229/NP229-82supplement.JPG > ================================================== > > other discussions: > http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/tech/TransferCase/np228-np229.txt > http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/tech/NP219-viscous.txt > > http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/tech/TransferCase/ > http://wagoneers.com/JEEPS/tech/TRANSFER-CASES/ > > ----- > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://wagoneers.com ** http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ ** > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- _________________________________________________________________ Use video conversation to talk face-to-face with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/connect_your_way.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_ Refresh_messenger_video_042008 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 18:22:49 -0700 From: Jim Blair Subject: RE: fsj: Howdy, noobie intro and a few questions. Actually, according to a internal memo someone on the AMC-list had, the switch to NP228 was a cost cutting measure (The VC cost several hundred dollars more than the differential) On Fri, 18 Apr 2008, griggy-at-dslnorthwest.net wrote: # My first Jeep! # # A 1986 Grand Wagoneer, the previous owner had the wood trim stripped # off and had it squirted (by Maaco unfortunatly) Chrysler Gold. Not # perfect but it looks kind of retro. I will post pictures in a few days. # # Work done in the first week: Proper throttle cable installed; 4WD # system and Hi/Low shifter excercised for the first time in years; # passed DEQ and registered; Carburetor out for rebuild to correct a # flakey choke and a frozen accelerator pump; parts list made out to # replace all the door and window seals; ordered a copy of the Factory # Service Manual; bought parts for rear shoulder belt upgrade (gotta # protect the babies); FJS stickers ordered. # # A few questions though: Why did the 1986 wagoneers go with the 228 # transfer case instead of using the 229? # # I have a few exhaust leaks to fix, if I get too involved I will # probably switch to headers. Any recommendations? # # The front seats need to be re upholstered and I can't find replacement # skins, any experience or suggestions? # # Thanks in advance. # # GAS # # Gregg A. Schwabauer # Portland, OR _________________________________________________________________ Use video conversation to talk face-to-face with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/connect_your_way.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_ Refresh_messenger_video_042008 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 19:31:32 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: RE: fsj: Howdy, noobie intro and a few questions. amazing how that works, turns out the cheaper unit is better. :) ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com ** http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Sat, 19 Apr 2008, Jim Blair wrote: # Actually, according to a internal memo someone on the AMC-list had, the switch to NP228 was a cost cutting measure (The VC cost several hundred dollars more than the differential) # # On Fri, 18 Apr 2008, griggy-at-dslnorthwest.net wrote: # # # My first Jeep! # # # # A 1986 Grand Wagoneer, the previous owner had the wood trim stripped # # off and had it squirted (by Maaco unfortunatly) Chrysler Gold. Not # # perfect but it looks kind of retro. I will post pictures in a few days. # # # # Work done in the first week: Proper throttle cable installed; 4WD # # system and Hi/Low shifter excercised for the first time in years; # # passed DEQ and registered; Carburetor out for rebuild to correct a # # flakey choke and a frozen accelerator pump; parts list made out to # # replace all the door and window seals; ordered a copy of the Factory # # Service Manual; bought parts for rear shoulder belt upgrade (gotta # # protect the babies); FJS stickers ordered. # # # # A few questions though: Why did the 1986 wagoneers go with the 228 # # transfer case instead of using the 229? # # # # I have a few exhaust leaks to fix, if I get too involved I will # # probably switch to headers. Any recommendations? # # # # The front seats need to be re upholstered and I can't find replacement # # skins, any experience or suggestions? # # # # Thanks in advance. # # # # GAS # # # # Gregg A. Schwabauer # # Portland, OR # _________________________________________________________________ # Use video conversation to talk face-to-face with Windows Live Messenger. # http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/connect_your_way.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_messenger_video_042008 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 21:59:17 -0500 From: Zee Man Subject: fsj: RE:Howdy, noobie intro and a few questions. Hello Noob,,, LOL ... I bought some edelbrock shorties and have been happy with em.. very little fuss, i didnt need to remove my heater core or anything. however mine is a 78... they my old exhaust also bolted right on. i was torquing the bolts for the first few days 7/16 , and a weekly tweaking the heat riser,,, i need to have mine redone and get rid of the riser... i have no idea why my exhaust place even put it back on... Spark plug and wires arent too much of a fuss either minus #7 since the heater core is there for me... but not bad.. WELCOME I am No Longer The N00b Bob Zabawa 1978 Cherokee Chief 401 _________________________________________________________________ Use video conversation to talk face-to-face with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/connect_your_way.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_ Refresh_messenger_video_042008 ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #3059 **************************