From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Wed Apr 30 23:24:56 2008 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Thursday, May 1 2008 Volume 01 : Number 3067 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: fsj: Re: spring update fsj: RE: spring update fsj: balance RE: fsj: RE: spring update RE: fsj: RE: spring update RE: fsj: RE: spring update Re: fsj: track bar RE: fsj: balance fsj: administrivia: notes on using this list FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 07:03:33 -0400 From: "Neal Hoover" Subject: fsj: Re: spring update well, that's good to hear. keep us up on the progress and pricing! Neal A. Hoover Project '76 J-10 Project '96 XJ http://community.webshots.com/user/proj96xj - ----- Original Message ----- From: "john" To: "FParker" ; ; "full size jeep list" Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 6:25 PM Subject: fsj: spring update > found a local spring shop ... heading over tomorrow with > old and new springs... the guy sounds like he knows what he's > doing... his son has a real wagoneer... he knew the pain, > he completely understood about thick springs... > > john > > ----- > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://wagoneers.com ** http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ ** > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 11:01:20 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: fsj: RE: spring update dropped omega off... not going to be cheap, but not that bad, about twice what I paid for the 2" lift from BJs. The 2" lift kit from bjs is a fine kit, but a little harsher than what I want for my interstate ride... It's for sale... will deliver it pretty much anywhere on the west coast for fuel costs.... 18 mpg at Diesel prices. :) will be cheaper than UPS I'm sure. also, went across the scales this morning... total weight: 5,600lbs FRONT AXLE: 2,840 lbs REAR AXLE: 2,740 lbs driver, main tank full, rear tank 1/2 full, orig springs in back. Anyway, they're going to rearch my original springs and add a suitable add-a-leaf to get the right amount of lift without making it too stiff. john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com ** http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Wed, 30 Apr 2008, Tesar Landon wrote: # Good for you supporting local, John. Best wishes. # # - Landon # # -----Original Message----- # From: owner-fsj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-fsj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of # john # Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 5:25 PM # To: FParker; ABCvoice-at-worldnet.att.net; full size jeep list # Subject: fsj: spring update # # found a local spring shop ... heading over tomorrow with # old and new springs... the guy sounds like he knows what he's # doing... his son has a real wagoneer... he knew the pain, # he completely understood about thick springs... # # john # # ----- # ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # http://wagoneers.com ** http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ ** # ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 11:33:09 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: fsj: balance took my '91 Grand Wagoneer across the scales this morning to see how well the weight was distributed with the aux tank and 6.2L Diesel... FRONT AXLE: 2,840 lbs REAR AXLE: 2,740 lbs total weight: 5,600lbs with driver, main tank full, rear aux tank 1/2 full, the original springs sitting in the cargo area. The 6.2L Diesel only weighs about 90lbs more than the stock AMC 360, one extra battery... It handles well, no body sway... we'll see if the softer ride will maintain handling, suspect it will... it has sway bars and panhard bars still intact. I'll accept not being able to put it into four wheel drifts to get a better ride. :) So, I dropped the GW off at Aalbu Brothers in Everett. They're going to rearch the original springs and add a leaf to hold it in place. The 2" 5 leaf springs are on the Jeep so they have a baseline elevation to work with. They'll do the install and swap... the 2" aftermarket kit will be available immediately. It's not a bad kit, ride was tolerable, but we're very fussy, spoiled and have bad backs. :) I will make this Diesel powered 4x4 a comfortable, reliable, economical and utilitarian daily driver... it's already meeting most of the requirements and getting closer with every step I take. :) Three tank average was about 17 mpg. And I haven't switched it to amsoil synthetics yet. I suspect we may have to sell the '91 300D later this year to pay for a wedding... I'm going to try to avoid selling it, really like it, and it's reliable and economical... we'll see... http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com ** http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 22:56:32 +0000 From: michel balea Subject: RE: fsj: RE: spring update Did you say earlier that you had 7 leaves... on the BJ's 2".... is that rear?, the front has only 4 (at least my 2" front pack) Some time ago.... i bought a 3" rear for the 85 Gwag for $50 (rocky mountain or so) .... but you should see the size of the leaves..... never installed... probably a back shaker. Michel > Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 11:01:20 -0700 > From: john-at-wagoneers.com > To: fsj-at-digest.net; landon.tesar-at-freescale.com > Subject: fsj: RE: spring update > > dropped omega off... not going to be cheap, but not that bad, > about twice what I paid for the 2" lift from BJs. > > The 2" lift kit from bjs is a fine kit, but a little harsher than > what I want for my interstate ride... > > It's for sale... will deliver it pretty much anywhere on the west > coast for fuel costs.... 18 mpg at Diesel prices. :) will be cheaper > than UPS I'm sure. > > also, went across the scales this morning... > > total weight: 5,600lbs > > FRONT AXLE: 2,840 lbs > REAR AXLE: 2,740 lbs > > driver, main tank full, rear tank 1/2 full, orig springs in back. > > > Anyway, they're going to rearch my original springs and add a suitable > add-a-leaf to get the right amount of lift without making it too stiff. > > john > > ----- > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://wagoneers.com ** http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ ** > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > On Wed, 30 Apr 2008, Tesar Landon wrote: > > # Good for you supporting local, John. Best wishes. > # > # - Landon > # > # -----Original Message----- > # From: owner-fsj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-fsj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of > # john > # Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 5:25 PM > # To: FParker; ABCvoice-at-worldnet.att.net; full size jeep list > # Subject: fsj: spring update > # > # found a local spring shop ... heading over tomorrow with > # old and new springs... the guy sounds like he knows what he's > # doing... his son has a real wagoneer... he knew the pain, > # he completely understood about thick springs... > # > # john > # > # ----- > # ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > # http://wagoneers.com ** http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ ** > # ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > # _________________________________________________________________ In a rush? Get real-time answers with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_ realtime_042008 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 16:11:41 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: RE: fsj: RE: spring update I suspect that your 2" from bj's is NOT the same 2" I have... both front and rear are 5 thick leafs... and stiff... john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com ** http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Wed, 30 Apr 2008, michel balea wrote: # # # # Did you say earlier that you had 7 leaves... on the BJ's 2".... is that rear?, the front has only 4 (at least my 2" front pack) # # Some time ago.... i bought a 3" rear for the 85 Gwag for $50 (rocky mountain or so) .... but you should see the size of the leaves..... never installed... probably a back shaker. # # Michel # # > Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 11:01:20 -0700 # > From: john-at-wagoneers.com # > To: fsj-at-digest.net; landon.tesar-at-freescale.com # > Subject: fsj: RE: spring update # > # > dropped omega off... not going to be cheap, but not that bad, # > about twice what I paid for the 2" lift from BJs. # > # > The 2" lift kit from bjs is a fine kit, but a little harsher than # > what I want for my interstate ride... # > # > It's for sale... will deliver it pretty much anywhere on the west # > coast for fuel costs.... 18 mpg at Diesel prices. :) will be cheaper # > than UPS I'm sure. # > # > also, went across the scales this morning... # > # > total weight: 5,600lbs # > # > FRONT AXLE: 2,840 lbs # > REAR AXLE: 2,740 lbs # > # > driver, main tank full, rear tank 1/2 full, orig springs in back. # > # > # > Anyway, they're going to rearch my original springs and add a suitable # > add-a-leaf to get the right amount of lift without making it too stiff. # > # > john # > # > ----- # > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > http://wagoneers.com ** http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ ** # > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # > # > # > On Wed, 30 Apr 2008, Tesar Landon wrote: # > # > # Good for you supporting local, John. Best wishes. # > # # > # - Landon # > # # > # -----Original Message----- # > # From: owner-fsj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-fsj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of # > # john # > # Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 5:25 PM # > # To: FParker; ABCvoice-at-worldnet.att.net; full size jeep list # > # Subject: fsj: spring update # > # # > # found a local spring shop ... heading over tomorrow with # > # old and new springs... the guy sounds like he knows what he's # > # doing... his son has a real wagoneer... he knew the pain, # > # he completely understood about thick springs... # > # # > # john # > # # > # ----- # > # ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # > # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > # http://wagoneers.com ** http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ ** # > # ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # > # # # _________________________________________________________________ # In a rush? Get real-time answers with Windows Live Messenger. # http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_realtime_042008 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 23:05:53 +0000 From: michel balea Subject: RE: fsj: RE: spring update Hummmmm, there is a hill next door (in SF they are all over), w my old 2 leaf pack... it was a real kick in the back... I had to slow down.... before the bottom... Now I can go full speed... the rear are the same old OE w 2.5" block. Michel > Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 16:11:41 -0700 > From: john-at-wagoneers.com > To: mbalea-at-hotmail.com > CC: fsj-at-digest.net; landon.tesar-at-freescale.com > Subject: RE: fsj: RE: spring update > > I suspect that your 2" from bj's is NOT the same 2" I have... > > both front and rear are 5 thick leafs... and stiff... > > john > > ----- > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://wagoneers.com ** http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ ** > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > On Wed, 30 Apr 2008, michel balea wrote: > > # > # > # > # Did you say earlier that you had 7 leaves... on the BJ's 2".... is that rear?, the front has only 4 (at least my 2" front pack) > # > # Some time ago.... i bought a 3" rear for the 85 Gwag for $50 (rocky mountain or so) .... but you should see the size of the leaves..... never installed... probably a back shaker. > # > # Michel > # > # > Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 11:01:20 -0700 > # > From: john-at-wagoneers.com > # > To: fsj-at-digest.net; landon.tesar-at-freescale.com > # > Subject: fsj: RE: spring update > # > > # > dropped omega off... not going to be cheap, but not that bad, > # > about twice what I paid for the 2" lift from BJs. > # > > # > The 2" lift kit from bjs is a fine kit, but a little harsher than > # > what I want for my interstate ride... > # > > # > It's for sale... will deliver it pretty much anywhere on the west > # > coast for fuel costs.... 18 mpg at Diesel prices. :) will be cheaper > # > than UPS I'm sure. > # > > # > also, went across the scales this morning... > # > > # > total weight: 5,600lbs > # > > # > FRONT AXLE: 2,840 lbs > # > REAR AXLE: 2,740 lbs > # > > # > driver, main tank full, rear tank 1/2 full, orig springs in back. > # > > # > > # > Anyway, they're going to rearch my original springs and add a suitable > # > add-a-leaf to get the right amount of lift without making it too stiff. > # > > # > john > # > > # > ----- > # > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > # > http://wagoneers.com ** http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ ** > # > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > # > > # > > # > On Wed, 30 Apr 2008, Tesar Landon wrote: > # > > # > # Good for you supporting local, John. Best wishes. > # > # > # > # - Landon > # > # > # > # -----Original Message----- > # > # From: owner-fsj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-fsj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of > # > # john > # > # Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 5:25 PM > # > # To: FParker; ABCvoice-at-worldnet.att.net; full size jeep list > # > # Subject: fsj: spring update > # > # > # > # found a local spring shop ... heading over tomorrow with > # > # old and new springs... the guy sounds like he knows what he's > # > # doing... his son has a real wagoneer... he knew the pain, > # > # he completely understood about thick springs... > # > # > # > # john > # > # > # > # ----- > # > # - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > # > # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > # > # http://wagoneers.com ** http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ ** > # > # - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > # > # > # > # _________________________________________________________________ > # In a rush? Get real-time answers with Windows Live Messenger. > # http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_ realtime_042008 _________________________________________________________________ Back to work after baby^Vhow do you know when you^Rre ready? http://lifestyle.msn.com/familyandparenting/articleNW.aspx?cp-documentid=5797 498&ocid=T067MSN40A0701A ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 01:12:01 -0400 From: JeepNut Subject: Re: fsj: track bar I agree. I had to disconnect mine. I drove it pretty hard I guess b/c I tore the top trackbar mounting bracket off of the frame rail. I just threw it behind the shed and never had a problem. Then I found out with the BJ's 6" kit... there's no way you can connect those things anyway. And it hasn't mattered a whip to me. The old Waggie handles good and rides pretty well as far as I'm concerned. (tho sadly, I really haven't been driving it much lately... in the last 9 mos, have sold a house, quit a job, and relocated our entire lives back to Central Indiana again after 25+ years (insert a mental audio clip of Jim Neighbors singing Back Home Again, in Indiana...) had to find new jobs and then a place to live temporarily, until we can buy a place. ;-) ...and just getting all our stored goods piled into my rented one car storage space, 'er, I mean garage,.. I don't "do rentals" very well anyway, but honestly, this place is about 80% an Extended Stay Suites... it's only for 10-12 more months! woo hoo! but there are several good (legal) places to go wheelin' within just a couple of hours or less in several directions.... and now I can't afford to drive it...gas it $3.75 here this week, and while the Rez Runner's engine is still running strong, it is NOT kind re: consumption...;-) .. but she IS sweet running still...) JeepNut Jim Blair wrote: > I wouldn't run a track bar with a leaf front end with regular springs, but > lifted would give it a sideways tug each bump. (It sure won't help your > spring's ride either!) > > > From: john > Subject: fsj: track bar > > I'm wondering if the front track bar could be limiting travel? > > The springs are still too stiff, but I'm not sure what impact > the panhard/track bar has on the situation... If the lift is > more than a couple of inches it may be at it's limit. If it > is limiting travel it could be part of the issue, but the ride > is still too harsh... > > going to make some calls tomorrow... seeking professional help. ;) > > john ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 23:11:58 -0700 From: Jim Blair Subject: RE: fsj: balance Considering I was getting barely better fuel economy than that with my '73 J4000 on gas, it doesn't seem like much of a step forwards? Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 > Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 11:33:09 -0700 > From: john-at-wagoneers.com > To: > Subject: fsj: balance > > took my '91 Grand Wagoneer across the scales this morning to see > how well the weight was distributed with the aux tank and 6.2L Diesel... > > FRONT AXLE: 2,840 lbs > REAR AXLE: 2,740 lbs > > total weight: 5,600lbs > with driver, main tank full, rear aux tank 1/2 full, > the original springs sitting in the cargo area. The 6.2L Diesel only > weighs about 90lbs more than the stock AMC 360, one extra battery... > > It handles well, no body sway... we'll see if the softer ride will > maintain handling, suspect it will... it has sway bars and panhard bars > still intact. I'll accept not being able to put it into four wheel > drifts to get a better ride. :) > > So, I dropped the GW off at Aalbu Brothers in Everett. They're going > to rearch the original springs and add a leaf to hold it in place. > The 2" 5 leaf springs are on the Jeep so they have a baseline elevation > to work with. They'll do the install and swap... the 2" aftermarket > kit will be available immediately. It's not a bad kit, ride was tolerable, > but we're very fussy, spoiled and have bad backs. :) > > I will make this Diesel powered 4x4 a comfortable, reliable, economical and > utilitarian daily driver... it's already meeting most of the requirements > and getting closer with every step I take. :) Three tank average was about > 17 mpg. And I haven't switched it to amsoil synthetics yet. > > I suspect we may have to sell the '91 300D later this year to pay for > a wedding... I'm going to try to avoid selling it, really like it, and it's > reliable and economical... we'll see... > > http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ > > john > > ----- > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://wagoneers.com ** http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ ** > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself wherever you are. Mobilize! http://www.gowindowslive.com/Mobile/Landing/Messenger/Default.aspx?Locale=en- US?ocid=TAG_APRIL ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 06:15:01 +0000 From: Richard Welty Subject: fsj: administrivia: notes on using this list Digest.Net mailing list "Meta FAQ" These general notes on using Digest.Net mailing lists are posted on the 1st and 15th of each month. 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