From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Wed May 21 11:58:54 2008 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Wednesday, May 21 2008 Volume 01 : Number 3080 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: fsj: Running Lean Read at own risk not well written :) RE: fsj: Running Lean Read at own risk not well written :) RE: fsj: Running Lean Read at own risk not well written :) fsj: comfortable seats? RE: fsj: Running Lean Read at own risk not well written :) RE: fsj: comfortable seats? fsj: Re: comfortable seats? RE: fsj: Running Lean Read at own risk not well written :) fsj: seats fsj: Re: [db] seats FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 14:26:46 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: fsj: Running Lean Read at own risk not well written :) lean or proper? is it a light tan or white? fine line... what kind of mileage are you getting? what's the tailpipe look like? ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com ** http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Tue, 20 May 2008, Zee Man wrote: # Listers, # # Since day one my cherokee that came with a 360 has been running lean... I put # on a Edelbrock 650 thunder series thinking that should be fine for a tired 360 # and a 401. Anyway when it was in my oil burning 360 i always felt like i was # running out of gas.. I had problems with spark and fuel delivery. When trying # to race the engine... it would seam to miss and pop in the upper rpms. Anyway # I got a rebuilt 401, i have new filter in the tank, new rubber lines where # rubber is used... I got a Carter hi volume street pump the $60 one.. the fuel # pump helped out alot I was now able to drive at normal high way speeds.. From # a dead stop when accelerating hard it will seam to miss alittle in the upper # rpms. I look at my plugs and they still look like they have a lean # condition and over heating... All of them... My timing is at 8 btdc(maybe # less)(not sure about RPM) i have my ignition upgraded to TFI with large Ford # cap and a good coil... none of this changed a thing... plus i am still running # lean... There is no knocking or pinging at all. # # Has anyone else experienced this? # # # # the 650 carb cant be too small... but maybe its the floats, impossible to # keep it full... Passing from 55 to 70 feels nice when it kicks down or even 45 # to 70 but after 70 its seams to not be getting enough gas. It will run at 80 # or 85 on the highway smoothly I wish i had my spare 750 or 800 just to see # or a Holly with their large float bowls. It is a Cherokee and not a race car # but i can remember my first cherokee revving better and always getting enough # gas,,, and it was stock all the way.... # # # # Bob # # 78 Cherokee Chief # _________________________________________________________________ # Give to a good cause with every e-mail. Join the i^Rm Initiative from # Microsoft. # http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Join/Default.aspx?souce=EML_WL_ GoodCause # ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 21:40:08 +0000 From: michel balea Subject: RE: fsj: Running Lean Read at own risk not well written :) Gas has been weird lately, even the tan color is not a good indicator anymore, I had to add 1/2 turn on the mixt screw on my 360 w the 2100, and it is running a lot better now. timing is 12-14 BTDC w distributor hoses disconnected and plugged (sorry for the basics.. but we tend to forget sometimes). remember to check for vacuum leaks at the carb/intake and any vacuum hoses.... egr... and other hoses. Cheers Michel > Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 14:26:46 -0700 > From: john-at-wagoneers.com > To: z_man401-at-hotmail.com > CC: fsj-digest-at-digest.net > Subject: Re: fsj: Running Lean Read at own risk not well written :) > > lean or proper? is it a light tan or white? fine line... > > what kind of mileage are you getting? what's the tailpipe look like? > > ----- > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://wagoneers.com ** http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ ** > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > On Tue, 20 May 2008, Zee Man wrote: > > # Listers, > # > # Since day one my cherokee that came with a 360 has been running lean... I put > # on a Edelbrock 650 thunder series thinking that should be fine for a tired 360 > # and a 401. Anyway when it was in my oil burning 360 i always felt like i was > # running out of gas.. I had problems with spark and fuel delivery. When trying > # to race the engine... it would seam to miss and pop in the upper rpms. Anyway > # I got a rebuilt 401, i have new filter in the tank, new rubber lines where > # rubber is used... I got a Carter hi volume street pump the $60 one.. the fuel > # pump helped out alot I was now able to drive at normal high way speeds.. From > # a dead stop when accelerating hard it will seam to miss alittle in the upper > # rpms. I look at my plugs and they still look like they have a lean > # condition and over heating... All of them... My timing is at 8 btdc(maybe > # less)(not sure about RPM) i have my ignition upgraded to TFI with large Ford > # cap and a good coil... none of this changed a thing... plus i am still running > # lean... There is no knocking or pinging at all. > # > # Has anyone else experienced this? > # > # > # > # the 650 carb cant be too small... but maybe its the floats, impossible to > # keep it full... Passing from 55 to 70 feels nice when it kicks down or even 45 > # to 70 but after 70 its seams to not be getting enough gas. It will run at 80 > # or 85 on the highway smoothly I wish i had my spare 750 or 800 just to see > # or a Holly with their large float bowls. It is a Cherokee and not a race car > # but i can remember my first cherokee revving better and always getting enough > # gas,,, and it was stock all the way.... > # > # > # > # Bob > # > # 78 Cherokee Chief > # _________________________________________________________________ > # Give to a good cause with every e-mail. Join the i^Rm Initiative from > # Microsoft. > # http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Join/Default.aspx?souce=EML_WL_ GoodCause > # _________________________________________________________________ E-mail for the greater good. Join the i^Rm Initiative from Microsoft. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Join/Default.aspx?source=EML_WL_ GreaterGood ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 15:05:53 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: RE: fsj: Running Lean Read at own risk not well written :) that's not a "mix" screw, that's the "idle" mixture... ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com ** http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Tue, 20 May 2008, michel balea wrote: # # Gas has been weird lately, even the tan color is not a good indicator anymore, I had to add 1/2 turn on the mixt screw on my 360 w the 2100, and it is running a lot better now. # # timing is 12-14 BTDC w distributor hoses disconnected and plugged (sorry for the basics.. but we tend to forget sometimes). # # remember to check for vacuum leaks at the carb/intake and any vacuum hoses.... egr... and other hoses. # # Cheers # # Michel # # > Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 14:26:46 -0700 # > From: john-at-wagoneers.com # > To: z_man401-at-hotmail.com # > CC: fsj-digest-at-digest.net # > Subject: Re: fsj: Running Lean Read at own risk not well written :) # > # > lean or proper? is it a light tan or white? fine line... # > # > what kind of mileage are you getting? what's the tailpipe look like? # > # > ----- # > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > http://wagoneers.com ** http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ ** # > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # > # > # > On Tue, 20 May 2008, Zee Man wrote: # > # > # Listers, # > # # > # Since day one my cherokee that came with a 360 has been running lean... I put # > # on a Edelbrock 650 thunder series thinking that should be fine for a tired 360 # > # and a 401. Anyway when it was in my oil burning 360 i always felt like i was # > # running out of gas.. I had problems with spark and fuel delivery. When trying # > # to race the engine... it would seam to miss and pop in the upper rpms. Anyway # > # I got a rebuilt 401, i have new filter in the tank, new rubber lines where # > # rubber is used... I got a Carter hi volume street pump the $60 one.. the fuel # > # pump helped out alot I was now able to drive at normal high way speeds.. From # > # a dead stop when accelerating hard it will seam to miss alittle in the upper # > # rpms. I look at my plugs and they still look like they have a lean # > # condition and over heating... All of them... My timing is at 8 btdc(maybe # > # less)(not sure about RPM) i have my ignition upgraded to TFI with large Ford # > # cap and a good coil... none of this changed a thing... plus i am still running # > # lean... There is no knocking or pinging at all. # > # # > # Has anyone else experienced this? # > # # > # # > # # > # the 650 carb cant be too small... but maybe its the floats, impossible to # > # keep it full... Passing from 55 to 70 feels nice when it kicks down or even 45 # > # to 70 but after 70 its seams to not be getting enough gas. It will run at 80 # > # or 85 on the highway smoothly I wish i had my spare 750 or 800 just to see # > # or a Holly with their large float bowls. It is a Cherokee and not a race car # > # but i can remember my first cherokee revving better and always getting enough # > # gas,,, and it was stock all the way.... # > # # > # # > # # > # Bob # > # # > # 78 Cherokee Chief # > # _________________________________________________________________ # > # Give to a good cause with every e-mail. Join the i^Rm Initiative from # > # Microsoft. # > # http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Join/Default.aspx?souce=EML_WL_ GoodCause # > # # # _________________________________________________________________ # E-mail for the greater good. Join the i'm Initiative from Microsoft. # http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Join/Default.aspx?source=EML_WL_ GreaterGood ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 19:05:50 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: fsj: comfortable seats? I'm still looking for a nice pair of leather seats for my '91 Grand Wagoneer... would like lumbar support and heat... but comfortable is the highest priority. I think everyone has different ideas about what is comfortable... so far my wife and I both agree that the Grand Cherokee WJ (1999-2004) seats are by far the best... I've got a set of old gray cloth ones from our '99 that are 1/2 way in, and I'm not unhappy with them, except that they're a little tall... but since I'm a little short, it works out. :) It'll be interesting to see how that works out with my wife who is not short. :) So, what are the most comfortable seats you've ever experienced? and then I wonder if they'll fit... :) thanx, john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com ** http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 05:48:02 +0000 From: michel balea Subject: RE: fsj: Running Lean Read at own risk not well written :) Sorry for my poor choice of abbreviations.... works for idle only, but helps for the low speed range.... especially on long downhill when you may run super lean... as i discovered going down from Donner pass..... We were cooking iniside due to overly hot exhaust/muffler and the temp was barely 70'ish I had a chance to refill w diesel twice... and the price per gallon is over $9.50.... regular gas is above $10.... very strange as the oil fields are a few hours away.... Spotted a pristine J truck w a propane sticker... but no owner around. Cheers Michel > Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 15:05:53 -0700 > From: john-at-wagoneers.com > To: mbalea-at-hotmail.com > CC: z_man401-at-hotmail.com; fsj-digest-at-digest.net > Subject: RE: fsj: Running Lean Read at own risk not well written :) > > that's not a "mix" screw, that's the "idle" mixture... > > ----- > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://wagoneers.com ** http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ ** > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > On Tue, 20 May 2008, michel balea wrote: > > # > # Gas has been weird lately, even the tan color is not a good indicator anymore, I had to add 1/2 turn on the mixt screw on my 360 w the 2100, and it is running a lot better now. > # > # timing is 12-14 BTDC w distributor hoses disconnected and plugged (sorry for the basics.. but we tend to forget sometimes). > # > # remember to check for vacuum leaks at the carb/intake and any vacuum hoses.... egr... and other hoses. > # > # Cheers > # > # Michel > # > # > Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 14:26:46 -0700 > # > From: john-at-wagoneers.com > # > To: z_man401-at-hotmail.com > # > CC: fsj-digest-at-digest.net > # > Subject: Re: fsj: Running Lean Read at own risk not well written :) > # > > # > lean or proper? is it a light tan or white? fine line... > # > > # > what kind of mileage are you getting? what's the tailpipe look like? > # > > # > ----- > # > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > # > http://wagoneers.com ** http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ ** > # > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > # > > # > > # > On Tue, 20 May 2008, Zee Man wrote: > # > > # > # Listers, > # > # > # > # Since day one my cherokee that came with a 360 has been running lean... I put > # > # on a Edelbrock 650 thunder series thinking that should be fine for a tired 360 > # > # and a 401. Anyway when it was in my oil burning 360 i always felt like i was > # > # running out of gas.. I had problems with spark and fuel delivery. When trying > # > # to race the engine... it would seam to miss and pop in the upper rpms. Anyway > # > # I got a rebuilt 401, i have new filter in the tank, new rubber lines where > # > # rubber is used... I got a Carter hi volume street pump the $60 one.. the fuel > # > # pump helped out alot I was now able to drive at normal high way speeds.. From > # > # a dead stop when accelerating hard it will seam to miss alittle in the upper > # > # rpms. I look at my plugs and they still look like they have a lean > # > # condition and over heating... All of them... My timing is at 8 btdc(maybe > # > # less)(not sure about RPM) i have my ignition upgraded to TFI with large Ford > # > # cap and a good coil... none of this changed a thing... plus i am still running > # > # lean... There is no knocking or pinging at all. > # > # > # > # Has anyone else experienced this? > # > # > # > # > # > # > # > # the 650 carb cant be too small... but maybe its the floats, impossible to > # > # keep it full... Passing from 55 to 70 feels nice when it kicks down or even 45 > # > # to 70 but after 70 its seams to not be getting enough gas. It will run at 80 > # > # or 85 on the highway smoothly I wish i had my spare 750 or 800 just to see > # > # or a Holly with their large float bowls. It is a Cherokee and not a race car > # > # but i can remember my first cherokee revving better and always getting enough > # > # gas,,, and it was stock all the way.... > # > # > # > # > # > # > # > # Bob > # > # > # > # 78 Cherokee Chief > # > # _________________________________________________________________ > # > # Give to a good cause with every e-mail. Join the i^Rm Initiative from > # > # Microsoft. > # > # http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Join/Default.aspx?souce=EML_WL_ GoodCause > # > # > # > # _________________________________________________________________ > # E-mail for the greater good. Join the i'm Initiative from Microsoft. > # http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Join/Default.aspx?source=EML_WL_ GreaterGood _________________________________________________________________ Change the world with e-mail. Join the i^Rm Initiative from Microsoft. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Join/Default.aspx?source=EML_WL_ChangeWorld ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 23:43:59 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: RE: fsj: comfortable seats? anything can be made to fit... hammer, chisel, torch, welder, bigger hammer... it's all possible... :) john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com ** http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Wed, 21 May 2008, michel balea wrote: # # # Saab 9.5.... don't know if they fit # # Michel # # > Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 19:05:50 -0700 # > From: john-at-wagoneers.com # > To: # > Subject: fsj: comfortable seats? # > # > I'm still looking for a nice pair of leather seats for my # > '91 Grand Wagoneer... would like lumbar support and heat... but comfortable # > is the highest priority. # > # > I think everyone has different ideas about what is comfortable... so far # > my wife and I both agree that the Grand Cherokee WJ (1999-2004) seats are # > by far the best... I've got a set of old gray cloth ones from our '99 # > that are 1/2 way in, and I'm not unhappy with them, except that they're a little # > tall... but since I'm a little short, it works out. :) It'll be interesting # > to see how that works out with my wife who is not short. :) # > # > So, what are the most comfortable seats you've ever experienced? # > and then I wonder if they'll fit... :) # > # > thanx, # > john # > # > ----- # > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > http://wagoneers.com ** http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ ** # > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # # _________________________________________________________________ # E-mail for the greater good. Join the i'm Initiative from Microsoft. # http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Join/Default.aspx?source=EML_WL_ GreaterGood ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 06:30:12 -0400 From: "Neal Hoover" Subject: fsj: Re: comfortable seats? Volvo Cross Country seats Neal A. Hoover Project '76 J-10 Project '96 XJ http://community.webshots.com/user/proj96xj - ----- Original Message ----- From: "john" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 10:05 PM Subject: fsj: comfortable seats? > I'm still looking for a nice pair of leather seats for my > '91 Grand Wagoneer... would like lumbar support and heat... but comfortable > is the highest priority. > > I think everyone has different ideas about what is comfortable... so far > my wife and I both agree that the Grand Cherokee WJ (1999-2004) seats are > by far the best... I've got a set of old gray cloth ones from our '99 > that are 1/2 way in, and I'm not unhappy with them, except that they're a little > tall... but since I'm a little short, it works out. :) It'll be interesting > to see how that works out with my wife who is not short. :) > > So, what are the most comfortable seats you've ever experienced? > and then I wonder if they'll fit... :) > > thanx, > john > > ----- > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://wagoneers.com ** http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ ** > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 09:45:34 -0700 From: Jim Blair Subject: RE: fsj: Running Lean Read at own risk not well written :) It's the fuel blend they are using now. Check to see the alcohol content (by law it's supposed to be listed). At least you can replace the Edelbrock jets w/o opening the carb. > From: mbalea-at-hotmail.com > To: john-at-wagoneers.com; z_man401-at-hotmail.com > CC: fsj-digest-at-digest.net > Subject: RE: fsj: Running Lean Read at own risk not well written :) > Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 21:40:08 +0000 > > Gas has been weird lately, even the tan color is not a good indicator anymore, > I had to add 1/2 turn on the mixt screw on my 360 w the 2100, and it is > running a lot better now. > > timing is 12-14 BTDC w distributor hoses disconnected and plugged (sorry for > the basics.. but we tend to forget sometimes). > > remember to check for vacuum leaks at the carb/intake and any vacuum hoses.... > egr... and other hoses. > > Cheers > > Michel _________________________________________________________________ Keep your kids safer online with Windows Live Family Safety. http://www.windowslive.com/family_safety/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refr esh_family_safety_052008 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 10:31:18 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: fsj: seats finally got the passenger seat in the '91 Grand Wagoneer.... used the gray cloth seat from my '99 WJ Grand Cherokee Laredo installed as proof of concept... worked on it until 4am... :) got up at normal time... also mounted the XJ console, using part of the GW armrest, included the aftermarket Mercedes cupholders, the dual folding one. :) that means I've integrated all vehicle types into Omega... :) john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com ** http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 11:58:25 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: fsj: Re: [db] seats On Wed, 21 May 2008, Alec Cordova wrote: # On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 12:31 PM, john wrote: # > finally got the passenger seat in the '91 Grand Wagoneer.... used # > the gray cloth seat from my '99 WJ Grand Cherokee Laredo installed # > as proof of concept... # > # > worked on it until 4am... :) got up at normal time... # > # > also mounted the XJ console, using part of the GW armrest, # > included the aftermarket Mercedes cupholders, the dual folding one. :) # > # > that means I've integrated all vehicle types into Omega... # > :) # > john # # In the finest Frankendiesel fashion ;-) # Alec but of course. :) did you read the "Garage Scenes" articles from '92 and '93 about me in Four Wheeler? :) the articles are in the FSJ and XJ directories: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ http://wagoneers.com/XJ http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/GarageScenes-Jan92.jpg http://wagoneers.com/XJ/GarageScenes-Jan93-XJ.jpg maybe I should resubmit... do they still have that in FourWheeler??? Do they still have FourWheeler??? :) BTW, will put pictures of the console and seat setup in http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega will be the latest entry... Hey, ran Omega through a carwash yesterday... wow... can't believe how good it looks clean... I think that's the first time I've washed him since got him two years ago... rofl... john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://wagoneers.com ** http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/ ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #3080 **************************